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User talk:George8211
What do you think of DrEdna's comments here? (sarcasm?) George8211what did I break now? 12:16, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, George8211 I have not been very active lately. It seems they have been blocked - remember never to argue with an idiot they just drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ''' Flat Out    let's discuss it   23:44, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey there!
Hey there! Just wanted to let you know I just got my second article through (San Fermin). Thanks again for all of your help on the article for Darkside! - Emilywaf (talk) 21:59, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Emily! Good for you :) Drop by any time ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   23:45, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Young Presidents' Organization
Hi There, I noticed you have reviewed my additions to the Young Presidents' Organization page. I am a Masters Student currently studying organisations developing leadership, and I thought I would chip in with some of the material I uncovered about YPO. Can you give me any tips to assist me in making my contributions more appropriate? Obviously I am new to Wikipedia and it's taking some getting used to, but I would lie to contribute. Many Thanks, Arch303 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch303 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Arch303 and thanks for your question. Some of the issues with your changes were using unreliable sources, puffery, and including content that sought to increase the notability of individuals listed by linking them to successful organisations. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia so not everything written about a subject is relevant to include in an article. If you need any help after checking out the links I have included in this response please let me know. I will add some more links to your talk page that may help. Best wishes ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   01:58, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * On second thoughts, I see your account has a history with DJ intelligence, so my COI notice stands. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   02:07, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

YPO Wikipedia Page
Hi Flat Out, Thanks for getting back to me. I'm uncertain what you mean by COI and a history with DJ Intelligence? Could you please shed some light? Thanks, Arch 303 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch303 (talk • contribs) 02:14, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Your account was created by a blocked user User:DJ_Intelligence. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   02:20, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Nightlight Christian Adoptions
Hi Flat Out, thank you for getting involved in the page on Nightlight Christian Adoptions. If you are interested in moderating POV, you will be a true help on this page. As you can see, User GregJack wants complete control of the page and will not allow changes that make the POV more neutral. He insists on negative information only. I'm sure the wiki community will help improve this page as it draws more attention to the wiki-bullying going on. DrHaiPham (talk) 04:36, 18 December 2013 (UTC)DrHaiPhamDrHaiPham (talk) 04:36, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi DrHaiPham and thanks for your message. It seems that there some issues with the article that need to be resolved. I will review your contribution on the article's talk page when I get a moment. best wishes ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   04:42, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

PLASE HELP
Flat Out please help me... i need to add Mariano Narodowski article. The point is that i already introduce the article in spanish an in simple english without problem but when i tried to put it in english the objected it for "notability". I read the wikipedia help pages about it and i introduce few links and reference but the template with the adviece is still there... How can i arranged this????

HELP ME PLEASE :)

KafkaontheShore — Preceding unsigned comment added by KafkaontheShore (talk • contribs) 12:08, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The notability issue for academics is addressed at WP:ACADEMIC. Narodowski does not appear to have held an endowed chair or been particularly noted or awarded for his work.  That's the case you need to make.  The good news is, that article has only been proposed for deletion, rather than nominated for deletion.  You can improve this article and a third party can remove that banner.
 * The fact that you were able to add this content in other wikis has no bearing here. Eventually editors at the simple English- and Spanish-language wikis will likely nominate that content for deletion.  Since you're inexperienced on Wikipedia, you might be better off building this article in your sandbox and getting help from WP:WikiProject Argentina rather that struggle saving the current article.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:44, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Getting some information
Hi there as a fellow Aussie on Wikipedia I thought I would ask you a few questions if I could...

In terms of articles with references, if I see a comment / quote / statistic that references an external article and when I go to read that external article it doesn't mention the comment / quote / statistic that was mentioned on the wikipedia page is that grounds to have the comment removed?

If I wish to start editing how do I get a good list of articles to look at?

How many sources are generally required for something to be considered factual?

Thanks for your assistance I really appreciate it.

Best Regards

DanDanomitey (talk) 03:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I can field those questions for you! If ever there's a citation in an article and the cited source does not back up the text in the article, you may remove it. You could also use dubious to point out that the statement in the article needs checking.  We don't want unverified information on Wikipedia within reason.  Often you can verify any fact with just one good source.  See our sourcing guideline about that.
 * The best place to look where to start is one of our cleanup categories. There are myriad articles that are tagged with needing help with everything from copyediting to referencing to image use.
 * Since you're new, you could try out the Wikipedia Adventure. It's good introduction to the buttonology of Wikipedia.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 05:48, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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Adaadat page deletion..
Hello, I was wondering what improvements I could make to stop the deletion of the Adaadat records page i just wrote? i'm new to wikipedia.. thanks Bioruhaileskou (talk) 15:40, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Bioruhaileskou to meet notability requirements, companies need to meet or exceed WP:CORP. Have a read and see if the company meets the guidelines. Cheers''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   15:49, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I read the WP:CORP article, I'm pretty sure they meet the guidelines. I've added 3 more references and filled out the article a bit, what are you're thoughts, thanks Bioruhaileskou (talk) 18:46, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Biography
Please go ahead and delete this article for me because the title is supposed to be "Gerald Spangrude" not "Spangrude". This is not written about myself, but rather about my father. I have taken out the personal flavor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spangrudec (talk • contribs) 01:54, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Spangrudec, I have moved (re-titled) the article for you. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   02:03, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Content about Dr. Daisaku Ikeda
Hi! Thank you for sending me all the links. And thank you for WARNING me against removal of sections. But these sections have absolutely no proof of reference that such an incident with a priest of Nichiren Shoshu ever occurred. Dr. Ikeda has always been the compassionate person and followed true principles of Buddhism. Request you to check your sources and perhaps truly understand the person's mission of world peace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankitguptansk07 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Ankitguptansk07, the sections you blanked did have references and you deleted them without explanation. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   02:08, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi man! Did you delete my page? But why? please explain why immediately after this message. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djobiguy46 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Djobiguy46, what page are you referring to? ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   09:12, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Raymond keene
Hi, I have just returned from London and volunteer at the World Memory Championships since 2001 which was founded by tony Buzan and raymond keene. Ray strongly objects to allegations of plagerism and was trying to correct the public record. What is the best way to do that?

Thanks Jennifer Gold Coast — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennifer.goddard (talk • contribs) 02:38, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Jennifer.goddard, wikipedia articles are summaries of what is written about a subject by reliable sources. We do not censor here. If you believe the article is incorrect please raise your concerns at the article's talk page. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   09:15, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

plan b reference removed from adaadat page
thanks for helping with the article, hhowever i'm struggling see how the plan b reference could be considered unreliable. plan b magazine was a well known internationally distributed music magazine - http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2009/jun/04/plan-b-magazine-remembered the author frances morgan is a well known music journalist and publisher of the magazine - http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/frances-morgan/23/214/50 and finally the last third of the article features an interview with adaadat founder angus keith talking about the label.

thanks Bioruhaileskou (talk) 10:06, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Bioruhaileskou the reference http://www.adaadat.co.uk/romvelope/img/planb.gif can not be used to support a claim about reputation because it is self-published by adaadat. It isn't independent ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   10:10, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

hi, i think i understand now, i should have used Cite journal instead of Cite web in the reference. by "self-published" are you referring to the fact that the scan of the article is hosted on the adaadat website? obviously the original version was published in the magazine.

Thanks Bioruhaileskou (talk) 11:14, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I just redid the reference, i found an impartial third party source for the url and i changed the citation from web to journal. Is this ok now? thanks Bioruhaileskou (talk) 13:49, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Gagut
Hi Flat Out - this is actually a bit of an odd case. A lot of that page is from a deleted page Gabriel Oyibo, which has been re-created off-site here. I think that most of the rest of it is from http://gagutofappit.org/ itself, rather than from the forum (which copied it from there). Gotta duck out now - cycle to the shops before the Cricket finishes - but I'll come back and have a look at it. Pete aka --''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   06:26, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Weird. I think the URL was triggering some spam filter or whacky website blacklist or something like that. Anyway, it's speedily deletable under any number of criteria.--Shirt58 (talk) 07:42, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   08:31, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Go Indie TV
Dear Sir, In no way is my company using your site for promotional purposes. We are a solid established reputable company who believed that our company history and officers bios would be a nice addition to our coveted reputation in our field. As we are new to your site do accept our sincere apologies if you feel that Go Indie TV Broadcasting has violated or disrespected the by laws of Wikipedia. We are hopeful that we remain on Wikipedia and if there is anything that you need us to delete please do let us know. Best Regards Gregg Cannizzaro CEO Go Indie Tv Broadcasting Network — Preceding unsigned comment added by Go Indie TV (talk • contribs) 10:32, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Go Indie TV is a promotional username which is not allowed, and your user page is entirely promotional. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   10:34, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

 * Thanks Callanecc.. I started here in March but have just come back after taking a short break. Thanks for the chocolate! ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   10:35, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

hello Wikipedia: I need your help
Hello Dear, This is my first time join wikipedia. I need your help.. I've got your Message already.. Thank you so much.. Nice to meet you. Well.. Anyway I need your help.. Please don't delete my article... And if you need me to update or change something about my Article..just tell me the wrong one.. And I will repair it for you...

Thank you Rudy Kurniawan Lie Ruddlie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudy Kurniawan Lie Ruddlie (talk • contribs) 18:09, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * blocked for the third time it seems ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   01:35, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Good faith editing
For the record, I called myself "facetious", not you. . . and I have partially restored my edit to Allen Stanford. I would have appreciated a reply to my comment here rather a wholesale deletion. I appreciate your welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your BLP review. I am certain my edit satisfies its requirements. Thank you. &mdash; GeeIsUs. (talk) 11:14, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * If you expect a response from me here, then I suggest you alter your approach. As I commented on your talk page, WP:BLP applies to all mentioned living persons not just the subject of the article. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   11:17, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I have replied on my own Talk page. GeeIsUs. (talk) 11:25, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Blackadder (named data networking)
Hello Flat Out. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Blackadder (named data networking), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Software is not eligible for A7. Thank you. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:24, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up Martijn Hoekstra.. a bit rusty after a break :) Best wishes ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   11:28, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. I also forgot to deshoutify the template above - I still have making a better template on my todo-list. Sorry about that! Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:31, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It's OK i'm old and deaf :P ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   11:32, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Biddenham dovecote
I wondered what the problem was with the above page? It is part of a series of new pages about Biddenham village pond, the Friends of the Pond and the dovecote that once stood by it. I'm new to Wikipedia so would be grateful for your advice as I would like to retain the page. And haven't used the Talk facility before so I hope this gets to you. Thank you. Fotbvp (talk) 11:21, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Fotbvp and welcome to Wikipedia. The article needs to be supported by reliable sources that support the subject's notability. Nevermind about retaining the article as my nomination was not upheld. I will do my best to help you improve the article and feel free to ask me for help anytime. Best wishes ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   11:26, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I can add some book references that have been written about the village to support the information. I have I suppose been building up the new pages bit by bit, learning as I go along! So will look at refining them. I still have to fathom out how to add photos that fit and don't swamp a page! Best wishes Fotbvp (talk) 11:34, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes if you can support each statement with a reference it will help the article survive a future nomination for deletion. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   11:36, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Thanks for reviewing Mapping and Analyzing Data Matrices in Real Time, Flat Out.

Unfortunately MrX has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

"I'm unreviewing this so a few more page patrollers can look at it. It may be a copyright violation."

To reply, leave a comment on MrX's talk page.

Inappropriate deletion
How did you delete the links provided in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohan_Rakesh page? Did you check the Talk section? After a 3rd opinion from an independent reviewer the links were kept. why did you delete it? Did you discuss with the person who provided his opinion as the 3rd Opinion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DipanjanMADPLAYHOUSE (talk • contribs) 15:35, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It is a spam link and has since been removed by three other editors. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   02:23, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

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Asked Permission
Mark Arsten gave me permission to edit the five beauty pageant. Please see his talk page and check our conversation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markimatix (talk • contribs) 09:32, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Markimatix, I read it, the problem is you have no reliable sources to support your edits. Wikipedia can never be used as as a reference. See WP:RS ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   09:36, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thank you, I'll find reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markimatix (talk • contribs) 09:39, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Melbourne
My edits remove the so-called optional /r/, because it is not identified as optional in any way. I suggest that /(r)/ would better flag its optional status, if it truly must be included.

Some may think it acceptable with common nouns to require the reader to understand that arhotic dialects are likely to omit the /r/ in such a location, but the same cannot be relied upon with proper nouns. Hence, if no variant is to be shown, omission of the /r/ is preferable (especially as the native pronunciation lacks the /r/). Ideally, the two variants should be shown - or a device (such as /(r)/, as above) be employed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.23.132 (talk) 09:38, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi (there, editing at wikipedia must be achieved by consensus. You can't force your view on other editors by simply reinserting the change that has been rejected, you need to make your case at the article's talk page. Best wishes ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   09:41, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Size_14_-_Appetite_For_Self_Destruction
Its a digital only release for FANS. How can I expect to get sourced articles? As there has been no "Official release" via digital distribution channels yet... Is a mention in the Size 14 Amazon Bio ok? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellotheragain1979 (talk • contribs) 10:42, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * If it hasn't been released then it isn't notable enough for an article. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   10:45, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Your response about M.A.D Playhouse Article
Hi There, As per the policy those are reliable Third-Party reports and can be considered as reliable resources. Please let me know as per the policy which part is not reliable and I will need your complete details so that the respective companies can contact you directly.--Krazywriter (talk) 06:23, 29 December 2013 (UTC): Also how do you ask someone like "do not reinstate"? where you failed to answer any of my questions on the article talk page earlier. Please try to keep calm and respond with facts. --Krazywriter (talk) 06:27, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Here's a fact for you, facebook and youtube are not reliable sources. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   06:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Again.  Dwpaul  Talk   09:03, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries mate, see you next time.''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   09:06, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Dwpaul that message on OrangeMike's page was to ensure that account was added to sockpuppet list, why do you rv? ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   09:10, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I only rv'd my panicking message to OM and the miscreant's modifications of it.. Figured there wasn't any need any more to trouble OM with it, since the user is now blocked. I didn't specifically mention SPI in the post I reverted on OM's page (only in the content of the circumstances that led to the war). Didn't revert any edit of yours, did I?  Dwpaul   Talk   09:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * My apology, my post isn't there at all. I mustn't have saved it properly.''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   09:27, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * NP, feel free to rv my rv if you want to expand on my comments and make sure OM is aware of this SP. I just figured since he's apparently offline at present it wasn't his problem.  Dwpaul   Talk   09:29, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Question
Flat Out,

Sorry for the disturbance, but I would like to know how write to Mark Arsten. I didn't find the mean to do it...

Thank you very much !

Drapé
 * Hi Drapé you can leave a message for Mark Asten here.''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   14:35, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Flat Out but I didn't find the place where writting, precisly, on the page... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drapé (talk • contribs) 14:39, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Drapé you just do the same as you have done here, click edit and go to the bottom of the page to ask your question. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   14:43, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

hello
ok i will take care of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Torontohomes (talk • contribs) 05:33, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Comment
Hey man what did I do wrong? I was born in England so know the history of the football club better than you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironlad99 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Ironlad99, you deleted half of the lead without giving a reason. The lead is a summary of the sourced content in the body of the article and if you edit it you say why. You also added unsourced content to the article.''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   14:48, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I didn't delete anything. Look at the edit history! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironlad99 (talk • contribs) 14:51, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * 1. Sign your posts. 2. you deleted "The club was a founding member of the Football League and completed the inaugural season unbeaten to become the first league champions, in the same season winning the FA Cup without conceding a goal to become the first club to achieve the English football "Double". Preston's unbeaten League and Cup season earned them the nickname "The Invincibles", and remains a feat unequalled in English professional football." ''' Flat Out    let's discuss it   14:55, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

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 * Happy New Year Jianhui67!! ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   09:56, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Monty Hall problem
Your revert at Talk:Monty Hall problem was unwarranted and is interfering with my duty to try to dialog on the talk page so as to avoid an edit war. Perhaps if you read the appropriate policy, you would know that. Tweedledee2011 (talk) 10:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Tweedledee2011, Posting that you have reported a user for edit warring is not not an appropriate use of an article's talk page, nor is it an example of you attempting to avoid an edit war. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   10:44, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes it is, because the other editor has already violated 3rr and I am avoiding doing so. To not allow my post is to allow the 3RR violator to benefit by his violation - he has cheated to remove my post and you have helped hide that fact. Tweedledee2011 (talk) 10:49, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You may want to read WP:BOOMERANG.''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   10:56, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I just did - what message did you want me to take away from that? Tweedledee2011 (talk) 11:01, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

New Page Patrol
Hi. Thank you  for reviewing  new pages. Please do not  tag pages for A1 or A3 within  minutes of creation as you  did at  Ladybird grammar school. To learn more, please see WP:NPP and WP:DELETION. If you have any  questions, feel  free to  ask  me on  my  talk  page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:10, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Kudpung กุดผึ้ง, this particilar article was previously speedily deleted unde WP:CSD#G11''' Flat Out   let's discuss it

Bambiachy
Re this: true, they may well have removed the maintenance templates, but if you're going to rely on template warnings, it would be better to warn them about the more serious offense. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)