User talk:Flat Out/Archives/2014/August

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Bedford School
Dear Flat Out - I removed your tag because that issue has been dealt with, laboriously, over the past several months. The Bedford School article was tagged for lack of supportive footnoting months ago and so I spent vast numbers of hours removing unsupported material and heavily footnoting the whole article. Your colleague, the one who originally tagged the article, was more than satisfied, so I'm mystified as to why you wouldn't be now. If you want to tag an article for a complete lack of adequate supporting footnotes, take a look at the Bedford Modern School article. Neither the body of the text nor the list of notable old boys have been footnoted. Very many thanks. Vietnamvat
 * Vietnamvat thanks for your message. Can you please sign your talk page posts with the four tildes ~ . The Bedford School article has a considerable amount of unsourced claims and I have listed the main ones on the article's talk page. Could you also please use edit summaries to describe your changes, it makes it very difficult for other editors when you make large numbers of edits without an edit summary to explain each change. many thanks  Flat Out  let's discuss it  12:07, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Dear Flat Out - I'm always amazed by the complete lack of any intellectual consistency amongst you chappies at Wikipedia. Your colleague previously stated that, since this was a school, it would be too much to expect certain sections to be supported by footnotes, such as the sections on Houses, Officials and School Colours.  He did expect, however, that other sections, such as the History and Notable Old Boys sections, would be supported by footnotes.  And so, I duly complied with that request.  Now the goalposts are being moved.  I will, of course, comply humbly with your new requirements.  But there is a stark difference here between what has been demanded for the editing of this page and the editing of other comparable pages.  Thank you so much anyway.  As ever Vietnamvat.
 * Vietnamvat could you please sign your talk page posts. Rather than rely on personal interpretations and opinions which would create chaos it is best to follow policy and guidelines on editing. Wikipedia articles are supposed to be accurate reflections on what reliable sources have to say on a subject. If there is unsourced content then it can't be verified by other editors. Lastly, to demonstrate to other editors that you aren't addingoriginal research its best to cite all additions (and use edit summaries).  Flat Out   let's discuss it  12:35, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Dear Flat Out - And that's your personal interpretation and opinion. It's obviously not the personal interpretation and opinion of one of your colleagues.  But no matter.  Having devoted literally hundreds of hours to trying to improve what was an utterly embarrassing page I'll spend even more time complying with your requests.  Strange really that with so many utterly crap and unsupported articles infesting Wikipedia that you pick on an article where so much has been done, and is in the process of being done, to improve it.  All the very best.  As ever SIGNED Vietnamvat.
 * Vietnamvat wikipedia guidelines and policies aren't my opinion - that's the whole point. If you read the linked policies and guidelines you will see that they are part of the framework we are expected to operate within as editors. You are right in that there are many articles that need work but I am not picking on any article but I am dealing with one that was flagged. As explained above, signing talk posts is done using the four tildes and I have left a note on your talk page explaining how this is done.  Flat Out   let's discuss it  12:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Nesreen Tafesh
Hi, Regarding Nesreen Taresh article. I'm collecting references. Is there an issue if most of them are in arabic? Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neo2013 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Neo2013, you can use any available sources including those in Arabic. Please see reliable sources  Flat Out   let's discuss it  14:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Message about your deleting Dj D (Nechepurenko)
Hello! Return back this page, please. How many do you know of non-USA artists? Do you think the American and British or Australian musicians the best in the world? How many do you know about Frehch and Russians pop stars? I think very little It is not an objective. And you showed owners reputable music sites and lables (Orchard) just idiots? http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/jera/id435256817?i=435256824&ign-mpt=uo%3D4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dj_D_(Nechepurenko) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christina232 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Dj D (Nechepurenko) was deleted because the subject is not notable. Please read our notability criteria about musicians. Also, none of the links you provided are considered reliable, so they don't count. This isn't a matter of jingoism, as we have many articles about musicians outside the English-speaking world. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:50, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello! It's crazy! You do not believe in the existence of what you see!. This is popular music sites! Tell me, please! Which music sites you trust?????? The purpose of any encyclopedia in explaining! Then what are you doing?
 * as above, your article needs to comply with the guideline WP:MUSICBIO and your links need to meet WP:RS.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  02:16, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Gee Ryan
Dear Flat out, i do not understand why the Gee Ryan page has been taken down, this was not mean for promotional purposes, could you care to explain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DCyngler (talk • contribs) 04:19, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * DCyngler it was deleted because the subject failed to meet WP:BLPNOTE. Also the article was copied mostly from online bios written by the subject, and was of a promotional tone including links to his website and prices for his art.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  04:24, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I see, we need to add more about his life and childhood and get rid of the information about the price off artwork,ect. completely understood, how do i regain the rights to edit the document, i have another copy saved but am afraid if i start again it will simply be deleted again, also he owns all the rights to the photos, i have been in contact with him all day, and he has written all the body of the text as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by DCyngler (talk • contribs) 04:41, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * DCyngler you can only include a summary of what independent reliable sources have to say about Gee Ryan. What he has to say is irrelevant. Because you have a declared conflict of interest you shouldn't be writing the article at all.

WP:NPA
Hello, mister! You are a very stupid man. You as a man - a little Australian box. What is your academic rank? Learn quantum physics. Christina232. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christina232 (talk • contribs) 15:40, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Christina232 I am not clever enough to understand most of what you are saying, so perhaps you are right. Please refrain from making personal attacks and concentrate on making positive contributions to Wikipedia.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  23:50, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Norwegian Scientific Committee for Food Safety
Hi, you are way too strict administrating my article about Norwegian Scientific Committee for Food Safety. You say that "it needs to be independent of the company" deleting independent references such as this one: http://www.mattilsynet.no/language/english/about_us/this_is_the_norwegian_food_safety_authority.2208/binary/This%20is%20the%20Norwegian%20Food%20Safety%20Authority and this one http://www.regjeringen.no/en/dep/hod/About-the-Ministry/Subordinate-institutions/Norwegian-Scientific-Committee-for-Food-Safety.html?id=279768. It is clear that you don't know much about Norwegian governmental institutions, and I don't expect you to either, but I can assure you that these references (that are both from state institutions of Norway) should be way good enough. Norwegian Scientific Committee is owned by Norwegian Ministry of Health and Care Services, but the committee is scientific independent and is also registered as an independent organization. Collaborating Norwegian governmental authorities explaining the society purpose of the Norwegian Scientific Committee for Food Safety should definitely be seen as independent of the company. So please stop deleting this and other sentences supported by reliable references, and stop putting it up for speedy deletion. I am now going to re-add these to references, and I am also going to re-add some other text (with reliable references) that you removed earlier. Please do not remove it. Thanks. Aninjo (talk) 13:43, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Aninjo I disagree that most of sources you are providing are independent of the subject. This one is the subject writing about itself, however I am happy to watch the article and see how it ends up.  Flat Out   let's discuss it  23:55, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Pathways Visio
Hi, I happened to see your comments on the "PathVisio" talk page that unfortunately are really old. You mention that there was a copyright breach with a PathVisio webpage. That page no longer exists, but I am actually surprised with the comment. Since PathVisio is an Open Source project and all related content is meant to be cc0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris Evelo (talk • contribs) 12:42, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Chris Evelo thanks for your comment, you are right. No harm done.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  06:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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Retirement
Very sorry to hear about it, you were/are a very decent editor. Hope it turns out to be temporary – if not, all the best and thanks for all your help. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC)