User talk:Flat Out/Archives/2015/April

Stolen Pieces
Not seen that gag before. Good show SPACKlick (talk) 10:48, 1 April 2015 (UTC) This message no way endorses using humour to lighten the mood at AN/I because the work there is SRSBSNSTM
 * I thought it was pretty lame to be honest.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  10:49, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

COI
I have spent all morning trying to correct my Wikipedia entry which is seriously misleading. I was not born in 1948 but in 1958. I have not written a book on British Racism. And neither have I written one on Company. Despite my efforts all morning to correct and update my profile, the older versions keeps returning back, conflict edits are being highlighted, and I am not getting anywhere. I would appreciate some assistance in this as I am slow on the internet and prone to getting things wrong Satvinder Juss (talk) 13:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC) Thanks, SJ
 * Satvinder Juss please go to this page and explain what is wrong with the article so that other editors may attempt to resolve the problem.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  13:29, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Hovind
I'd have given him the template response on deletion, and then explained why it stood no chance whatsoever of being deleted. Guy (Help!) 23:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC) Guy thanks, have you seen the ticket?  Flat Out  let's discuss it  00:23, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I am no longer on OTRS. Guy (Help!) 08:04, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  08:06, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

"Acts"
How is Kalel not an act? What do you dictate as "acts"? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 06:36, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * An act is an artist or ensemble that the subject has collaborated with or where there is a another clear link between the acts. Being a fiancee and appearing in a video doesn't constitute being an "act"  Flat Out  let's discuss it  07:05, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, really, Kalel appearing in several videos together, her and Anthony having a channel together, and technically associated acts is for music for the most part, and Smosh doesn't collaborate with either of the current associated acts on their music. So what makes them associated? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 07:13, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * have a look at Green Day or Nirvana (band)  Flat Out  let's discuss it  07:19, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That is the point I'm trying to make, the current associated acts don't apply either, as they never collaborated musically. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 07:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * You're asking me about my edit and I've explained it -if you think the others should also be removed them be bold and make the edit.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  07:41, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've been quite reluctant since I am on 1RR restriction and I was blocked for two weeks (unblocked after one) recently. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 08:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Re: Ephemerals (band) notability guidelines
Hi Flatout, I see the ephemerals article has been declined on notability again and am struggling to understand how it doesn't pass the criteria set out by wikipedia. The band has a single playlisted on BBC radio, appeared on Loose ends (BBC radio again), featured articles in DJ mag (published around the world), single reviews in Mixmag (another large trusted and independent publication) and reviews in a national newspaper (The Express).

Due to all these rejections for notability the redrafts for the article is starting to look like a list of media mentions for them - with all this media attention many points of the wiki criteria for a band/musician have been satisfied.On notability I think the multiple verifiable and trusted sources mentioning and reviewing them are of sufficient weight to warrant inclusion.

I look forward to your response, AlexM171087 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexM171087 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 2 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi AlexM171087 please look at the criteria listed at WP:BAND and let me know if you think the band meets any of them.  Flat Out   let's discuss it  21:49, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Flat Out, Of the criteria listed here are the ones that the band fulfill and notes on why.

Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).

Their debut album is released on UK based Jalapeno Records- an important indie label going for 15 years with a roster of notable performers including acts like: Smoove & Turrell, Kraak & Smaak and Quasamodo (all of which have wiki pages and are therefore deemed notable themselves.)
 * Has released two or more albums - they have one.  Flat Out  let's discuss it ' 12:02, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E for further clarifications) The bands music has been featured in the international award winning TV show - "Homeland", they have performed live on national BBC Radio shows multiple times (Loose Ends and Robert Elms show). Their tracks have also been included on the notable Jalapeno Funk compilation series in Jalapeno Funk Vol.6.
 * You need a source for the Homeland feature.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  12:02, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

 Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network. The single "Life Is Good" was playlisted in 2015 on BBC Radio 1 Xtra and named record of the week being played on the network every day, multiple times a day. BBC radio 1 played the aforementioned single as well as "You Made Us Change" and "Easy Ain't Nothin" on major peak time BBC radio shows like Huw Stevens, Craig Charles Funk & Soul Show multiple times.
 * You need a source for this  Flat Out  let's discuss it  12:02, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. The band were featured guests on Loose Ends on BBC radio 4 (national and international radio)where they were interviewed and performed on the show.
 * I don't think this meets the criterion.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  12:02, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

In addition to these specific points international, independent, reliable and verfiable publications with large readerships including DJ Mag, MixMag and The Express Newspaper have all featured articles and reviews on the band which would suggest they are a "notable" act. Thanks AlexM171087 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexM171087 (talk • contribs) 11:55, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Matthew Banks (Allegations of fraud)
Can you please consult Talk:Matthew_Banks page, instead of discussing the issue on your page.Thanks.Rhumidian (talk) 12:49, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Rhumidian I haven't discussed the issue on my page. You posted here not me.  Flat Out   let's discuss it  12:52, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry I apologise, I am not aware of BRD. I thought you didn't want to discuss on your own talk page. Now onto the article, Did you read the sources? They provide an admission of guilt for the crimes, which i believe means that you plead to committing a crime. I thought that that might be spectacularly noteworthy in his biography.Rhumidian (talk) 12:58, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no admission of guilt, please keep this discussion to the article talk page not here.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  12:59, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Apology
Sorry about the way my comment came across at WP:BLPN, it was not the way I intended it and have amended, I know you are trying to help get a consensus and clear up the matter and get some balance in the article. MilborneOne (talk) 15:15, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * MilborneOne no worries, I appreciate we are both attempting to get a good outcome. Cheers  Flat Out  let's discuss it  00:56, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Dear Flat Out, I seem to be having the same "lack of notability" problems as other authors whose comments appear on this page. It's difficult to find sources that comment on scientific journals like AoB PLANTS; thus I have cited sources that appear to have been perfectly acceptable for a number of other journals with Wikipedia entries. You recommend finding independent sources (other sources that have written about the journal) and summarizing the key points made in those sources; also "Don't write an article and then go looking for sources to support what you have already written as this always ends in disaster." I challenge you (and welcome your help) to uncover any sources that discuss specific scientific journals. Journals rely primarily on metrics and their inclusion within listings of competitive publications as a reflection of their success or notability. In particular, I wonder why sources considered to be credible for a number of other scientific journals having their own Wikipedia articles are unacceptable in our particular case. Thanks for your advice. GailRice (talk) 03:57, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi GailRice you raise some good points. I encourage you to read Notability (academic journals) and then come back here to indicate how AOB Plants meets the criteria listed. Best wishes  Flat Out  let's discuss it  01:00, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I am interested in learning the qualifications of the reviewers who continue to reject the AoB PLANTS draft. And I am still interested in any news sources you can point to that discuss any of the following [apparently notable enough to be accepted by Wikipedia] competitive scientific journals: Oecologia, Journal of Environmental Biology, New Phytologist, Journal of Ecology, Annals of Botany, and Conservation Biology. These Wikipedia entries employ the same references that I have attempted to propose for AoB PLANTS. You win, we give up.
 * GailRice (talk) 03:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * GailRice did you read Notability (academic journals) which explains how we judge articles? Unfortunately you haven't provided enough sources to support our notability criteria for journals.  Flat Out   let's discuss it  06:22, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

AoB PLANTS - further notability discussion
I did read the notability criteria and more importantly the criteria for academic journals. AoB PLANTS has an impact factor and is indexed in important databases such as Web of Science and Scopus. By your own published standards this should be enough for Wikipedia notability but apparently in our case these data are insufficient. Seems an arbitrary judgment to me. GailRice (talk) 06:32, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * GailRice If you have provided sources that support notability please leave a message on the talk page of the last editor and seek clarification.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  06:37, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * GailRice - I see you were successfull with AoB PLANTS! Well done.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  04:40, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

19:07:41, 9 April 2015 review of submission by JAS1127
I am not sure that I understand what you found "promotional" about what I wrote. Could you be more specific so that I can edit/fix each concern? Thank you! JAS1127 (talk) 19:07, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * User:JAS1127 as I mentioned in my review comments it appears that there are sections of the article which are promotional in tone and written first, and then a a source "retro-fitted." Articles should be an accurate summary of what reliable sources have to say about a subject. An example is:

"The NephroCheck test (e.g., urinary TIMP-2 and IGFBP7) can assess risk for AKI. As with all diagnostic tests, it does not take the place of clinical judgment. While the test was designed to assess risk for stage 2-3 AKI, the biomarker concentrations correspond to severity of AKI across all three stages.[19] The markers appear to be short-lived in the urine after AKI has occurred and may be normal in patients who have already manifest AKI by functional criteria (e.g., serum creatinine). An international Clinical Practice Guideline for AKI recommends risk assessment but acknowledges the lack of tools available to perform risk assessment.[20] The clinical application of NephroCheck is to aid in risk assessment so that the KDIGO bundle can be applied (Figure 1)."
 * Seeing as there is no " Figure 1" in the article this appears to be copy-pasted from elsewhere. Also the second half of the paragraph is not referenced.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  04:44, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Wave 2 Growth Hubs
Hello, I have made some changes and tried to reduce any content that may appear to be promotional. However, I can't see a way to resubmit the page for consideration now. please can you advise me how I should proceed? Thank you for your help. kind regards, Rebekah
 * RebekahLancaster I have reinstated the AFC templates and you now can click resubmit if you think the article is ready.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  00:33, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Draft:MOGAS Group
Hello Flat Out, I have resubmitted information on the section "Sponsorships"(Previously the Corporate Affairs) for the article submission Draft:MOGAS Group as I have realized that The Coca-Cola Company has a similar section/layout. When you reviewed the article you wrote that "The Corporate Affairs section reads as promotion and I recommend removing it". I was hoping that you could elaborate on this in order for me to better understand your reasoning for removal. Thank you User:RayGNRayGN (talk) 07:48, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * User:RayGNRayGN thanks, I have looked at the Coca Cola article. I would say that if you are going to include results of those sponsored they should be sourced. Also i think it is worth considering if adding these support establishing the notability of the company. I would say that WP:NOTINHERITED applies.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  00:45, 15 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your assistance in this matter. It is greatly appreciated. User:RayGNRayGN (talk) 05:33, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Article for deletion
Dear Flat out, I notice that that this entry is being considered for permanent deletion. If this is on account of an error made during an attempt to update the Piece (which was clearly needed) then I apologise sincerely. I have not done this before and am new to the entire process. I will seek to familiarise myself with the rules before having another go. Please do retain what you have for the time being. Thanks, Satvinder Juss Satvinder Juss (talk) 22:46, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Satvinder Juss, I didn't nominate Satvinder S. Juss‎ for deletion but I did vote to delete as I don't believe it meets the general notability guideline.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  06:40, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Matthew Gordon Banks
Sorry to bother you. You correctly edited my page recently. The UK press has identified a public figure and it is the front page of the Guardian newspaper today in UK. If you look at the history of the edits on my page in March a user 86.161.41.44 with no name has decimated my page. There is another number too. How can we find out whom this is. I have Tweeted The Guardian publicy about this. It is a serious matter and affects several MP's. Thanks for your thoughts.86.146.25.89 (talk) 21:25, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * 86.146.25.89 I edited the page because it contained information that was in violation of our policy on biographies of a living person. Previous edits and where they have come from is not of interest to me as an editor. If you wish to take up an issue with a company you believe to be the source of negative editing I wish you all the luck in the world.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  01:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Other Wikipedians are aware of the Guardian's reportage. I'd prefer you refer to the article in question as "the article about Matthew Gordon Banks." Articles do not belong to anyone. Wikipedia by and large is not interested in identifying those who hide behind these IPs. There are publicly-available tools to find the source of IPs. Wikipedia does try to prevent scurrilous editing, as outlined by our guidance about biographies of living persons. I don't think this is a serious issue; Vandalism targeting public officials is by no means unusual and this is, after all, just a website. No one should take Wikipedia's content seriously. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 21:39, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Satvinder Juss
Dear Flat Out, Please can I ask you not to consider for deletion this article on Satvinder Juss. I am the subject himself, Professor Satvinder Juss, and I was unfamiliar with the editorial policy and initially began by setting out to make some amendments myself, after I was invited to a conference where my date of birth was taken as 1948 rather than 1958, which is indeed the case, from the information erroneously recorded on this website. I apologise profusely for setting out to correct this myself as I see now that there was a conflict of interest in my doing so. Once I looked at my entry I found a number of other errors such as a reference to two books which I had not written. One has since helpfully been removed. The other is still there, namely, "Interaction Between Compilers and Computer Architecture (INTERACT-9 2005), Ninth IEEE Conference by Satvinder S Juss (Hardcover - Sep 2005)" which is not a book written by me at all. Please can I ask you to remove this? Since the article here has been on wikipedia for many years it has come to be relied upon by people across the world who wish to contact me. However, it is clearly not right for me to attempt any further edits myself. Please may I ask you, the Editors, to check the remaining entries and once satisfied as to what is properly referenced, proceed to re-write it yourselves? As I say, I am not wholly familiar with the policy at wikipedia so prefer to leave further edits in your good hands. I hope my clarification of this is helpful Satvinder Juss (talk) 21:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Satvinder Juss thanks for your post. I don't have the power to delete any article. The article was nominated for deletion and at this stage it looks as though it might survive. I am not able to influence the outcome of that discussion.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  03:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Georgia Fair
Hello Flat Out,I'd like to oppose the deletion of the following page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Fair The band is genuine with a profile and a body of work. Please let me know how to legitimise the page. Thanks for being in touch — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.248.242 (talk) 07:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi 121.216.248.242 I understand the band is genuine but it doesn't meet the criteria for establishing notability listed at WP:BAND. Flat Out  '' talk to me 03:46, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Boxing Ego deletion.
Hi i was just wondering is there anyway i can grab the archive of Boxing Ego? so i can redo with the guidelines and hopefully do it the right way this time. thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacbradley2 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Pacbradley2 yes, leave a message for the editor who did the deletion here and request undeletion in Draft space so that you can work on it. Flat Out  '' talk to me 23:52, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Paul Singer (businessman)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Paul Singer (businessman). Legobot (talk) 00:00, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Question
I am doing this for a project, what do you think I can do to make this more neutral so it can stay up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carufr02 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Carufr02, thanks for the question. Have a read of WP:NPOV and let me know if you have any questions. Flat Out  '' talk to me 04:51, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

V Shanmuganathan
Hi, The gentleman whom i wish to be included in Wikipedia is Additional Secretary of Parliamentary Affairs of BJP - Bharatiya Janata Party - The world's largest political organisation of world largest democracy - India. This personality is part of India's Prime Minister think tank. He has been the force behind BJP victory to power and form stable government in India. It is my advice and request to consider inclusion of this eminent personality in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maalikkharat (talk • contribs) 06:47, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Maalikkharat, I gave you comments on your article draft about how to improve the article. Flat Out  '' talk to me 07:37, 30 April 2015 (UTC)