User talk:Flat Out/Archives/2015/November

Request on 08:14:03, 31 October 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Tombrady33
You re-mamed my page paul revere and the raiders. I was just trying to give the history of the group for the four years i mentioned and the four albums which I wanted to link to their main discography page. I did not want to add my article to their page do to political reasons with Paul revere's son Jamie who is more into promoting the touring group than the history of the recording group. This is why I wanted a separate page so it would not offend him. Please advise which way I should go with my article?? I would be willing to give all the facts on all of their albums which do not have their own page if you think it will help. Please advise. Tom Brady Tombrady33 Tombrady33 (talk) 08:14, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't rename your article. You can't have a separate article on the same subject and you have been told this multiple times. You can either improve the existing article or you can move on. Flat Out (talk) 22:11, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Regarding my page creation
Hello, Hope you're well, I see you've edited the page I'm creating for an Egyptian-Canadian Film Director and Producer. Can you give me some feedback? Do you think it adequately represents the subject's notability, and has a high chance of being accepted? Here is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Youssef_El_Deeb. I would appreciate if you can get back to me on this. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hebaseham (talk • contribs) 09:09, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * thanks for your question. I've had a quick look and I'd say that the subject probably meets WP:GNG but it needs tidying up. Perhaps you could ask the last reviewer to take another look when you're ready. Flat Out (talk) 02:42, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * That's great news! thanks so much for your help :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hebaseham (talk • contribs) 08:33, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome . Flat Out (talk) 22:13, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

11:36:39, 30 October 2015 review of submission by 41.78.175.86
Hello Flatout, I am requesting a re-review for the article about Afrima because i believe it can be used as a strong point to contribute to the great job some select Africans are doing to foster unity, peace and development in Africa using music and entertainment as the tool. It is for this reason that the African union and some other great stakeholders have come together. Also i believe when people are aware and enligthened on the laudable work being achieved by others, they will be motivated to contribute their quota to the growth and general development of their Nation,continent and then the world at large. I strongly believe that the article is worthy of approval and that it meets wiki standards. If there are any specific errors you find still in the article please do not hesitate to inform me so that i will effect the necessary corrections. Thanks. oseji alexander.41.78.175.86 (talk) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * the article is not in a format this is acceptable for wikipedia. Every statement you make needs to be followed by a reliable source (not just a number of references at the end). Please see WP:NEVENT and WP:42. Flat Out (talk) 22:29, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Request on 15:05:38, 30 October 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by RockPublic
I would like to resubmit but i dont see a button or the code to drop in?RockPublic (talk) 15:05, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the template so you can resubmit but the article isn't ready. I have changed all the refs that included wikipedia articles to wikilinks for you. Please see WP:MUSICBIO. Flat Out (talk) 22:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

review of Berkeley Institute for Data Science
Thanks for the review of my article on the Berkeley Institute for Data Science. I have removed the list of Fellows, as requested in your comment after rejection. You said that the "list of Fellows is not notable." Can you elaborate? There are a number of fellows that were in popular press and other Wikipedia pages, cited in the reference list. I modeled it after the page for the Presidential Innovation Fellows. I'm happy to keep it out, but would appreciate more justification. Econohammer (talk) 15:44, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * - my suggestion would be to change the section heading to Notable fellows and incluide only those who have a wikipedia article or those that you have reliable, secondary sources to support, and reference them. best wishes Flat Out (talk) 22:54, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Presskr
what i need to do in order to approved my wiki article as i am new in wiki kindly help? Legacy2015 (talk) 16:02, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Please read the golden rule. You need to find a number of sources about the company that are independent. You also need to remove peacock language which I will help you with. Flat Out (talk) 22:57, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Iuventum, review of submission by Rudraaksh24
Hi flat out, you said that there was a problem of notability with my article. I had cited the UN Global compact website. Isn't that a third party source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudraaksh24 (talk • contribs) 20:46, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * yes it is but one source doesn't equal significant coverage. best wishes Flat Out (talk) 23:17, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

22:24:30, 31 October 2015 review of submission by ASCONAN
Because this is the biography given by Mr Kamohara himself. Therefore, this is the most complete biography on the net. I have cited 4 websites from the Shito-ryu Shukokai Union and I also work as International Liaison Officer for this Union. So, what more do we have to do? Furthermore, we also want to add photos of Mr Kamohara. We have quite a few available. If any identification or proof of data validation is required, please let us know how to provide this. Thanks in advance!
 * First of all, you have a clear conflict of interest, secondly, nothing you have said in the body of the article can be verified because it has no references. Please see the golden rule. Flat Out (talk) 23:20, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

12:58:44, 1 November 2015 review of submission by Tlagura
I would like to ask for a clarification regarding parts of this article that you think are unrelated to the subject matter so I can amend accordingly. The coverage clearly focuses on Orient Planet, its background and initiatives relevant to region. As for references, I was advised to use sources other than the report released by the company (i.e. newspaper clippings, etc.). So, I'm a little bit confused as to why this has been rejected based on the reason provided by your editor. Thank you.
 * You can have a section on key initiatives if you want, but these are not solely the work of the subject. "Orient Planet Academy" has no sources. "Arab Knowledge Economy Report 2014" is mainly referenced by the report itself. Why is it notable? Who has written about it? Flat Out (talk) 23:33, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Request on 22:54:20, 1 November 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by DJDog
Hi FlatOut, one more question. LaMona sugested to check examples of 2003 albums, so I did : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricorn_Cat But now I am surprised, as this page seem to be accepted ... with 2 references and an article consisting of 2 lines ? DJDog (talk) 22:54, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just nominated it for deletion. Flat Out (talk) 23:42, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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Request on 08:01:12, 30 October 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by DJDog
thank you for your comments but I do not know where I can reply on my talkpage to Flat Out about the article. how do I contact you. why are sources like the actual record company, and a photo of the award not reliable ? I am the producer of the album Dog (talk) 08:01, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

1. why are the numbers in references now changed ? 2. isn't the Dutch newspaper NRC regarded as a reliable source ? http://www.nrc.nl/handelsblad/2002/12/9/banabila-vloeimans-7617661 3. also : doesn't this wiki article proofs the existence of the album and award; https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Music_Awards_2003 ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJDog (talk • contribs) 08:06, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:NALBUMS and tell me which criteria you think the album meets. If it doesn't meet the criteria it won't be approved. The numbers in footnotes change if you add or remocve sources, they are automatically compiled by reflist. You can't use any wikipedia article as a source, ever. You need multiple reliable sources not just one. Flat Out (talk) 22:22, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi FlatOut, thank you.. ok in respond to your question "tell me which criteria you think the album meets" =Notability 1 = Edison Jazz Award 2003 (reference 2 from the biggest newspaper in NL) Notability 2 = Live appearance on Dutch national tv with this album (reference 4 - VPRO TV) Notability 3 = Quote from a review in NRC, another one of the biggest Dutch newspapers (reference 7) Notability 4 = Music used in a feature cinema film that was nominated in 2004 at the NFF (reference 3) Notability 5 = Music used in Troost, a choreography of the reknowned Conny Janssen Danst group (reference 6) Please let me have your thoughts and thank you for your time anyway  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJDog (talk • contribs) 22:35, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * 1. the award is not on the list of major awards. 2. one reference does not equal significant coverage. 3. Appearance on tv is not a criterion. 4. One quote isn't enough. The music used in a film I will check. 5. music used in Troost is not a criterion. Flat Out (talk) 23:13, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Petersburg, Places and Paintings is not a notable film. Your draft doesn't meet WP:NALBUM. Flat Out (talk) 23:15, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

The award is not on what list ? It's the most prestigious award in category jazz national ..Petersburg, Places and Paintings is a notible film because it was nominated for a golden calf. Films that are not notible are usually not nominated on the NFF. I used 7 references, not 1.. en many external links form 14 sources. Could it be this had to be a stub and then it was treated differently ? How come this article is treated this way, yet an article like this with two lines in the article and two references is accepted ? = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricorn_Cat Is there anything more I can do ? How come sold out dance shows are not considered as notible ?
 * I have tried to help you. If you think my review is incorrect then by all means resubmit it and see if another editor will pass it. Flat Out (talk) 23:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You have more experience with Wikipedia than me, so I tend to trust your advise. However declining an album that entered two cinema films, a sold out dance play, being on the radio and tv many times, and so on, is a surprise to me. And I do disagree that this award would not be a major award. I think more people would agree with me on that, I do not know wich list you were referring too. I could point out so much more sites now that are less documented yet were passed on WP and not declined but I won't because then you would nominate those for deletion too .. Anyway because this was in 2003 not everything can be found anymore online I guess .. I just thought that those 7 references and 14 links would do it .  Thanks for your time - I wouldn't know what else to do. Have a nice day  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJDog (talk • contribs) 00:19, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Criteria 4: "The recording has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award." Has the album charted nationally? What makes the films notable (see WP:NFILM ), 7 references is good but they have to be reliable sources. Most importantly - if the article is only ever going to be a stub - it doesn't meet the criteria for notable albums. Flat Out (talk) 00:26, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ok I understand. I rest my case. You can delete it — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJDog (talk • contribs) 00:37, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Resubmit it when you're happy with it and see what another reviewer says. Flat Out (talk) 00:41, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * But I've already done that.. right after LaMona told me to use more references and extend the article for notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.110.9.32 (talk) 00:56, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

ok great we'll see what the next reviewer says. Flat Out (talk) 01:05, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Open Data Plane (ODP)
Dear Flat Out, The article clearly provides several independent references to OpenDataPlane (ODP). By definition, this meets the requirements of the subjects notability and the golden rule. Please advise as to what needs to be done beyond this? Sincerely, Marshall Guillory Program Manager Linaro, LTD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CEBF:B0F0:F034:35A1:C117:874C (talk) 13:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see the comment that I left you on the draft article. Flat Out (talk) 02:55, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Shooting of John Busby Article
Hi Flat out, Here is the article in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mandamon/Shooting_of_John_Busby

You declined the publication of my article due to copied material. I assumed it was some of the quotes I took from a newspaper article, so I went back and edited them out. Can you tell me specifically what the problem is? I re-submitted my draft.
 * Yes that, and because every section has been copy pasted from somewhere which is why the formatting is messed up. Ity has also been deemed not notable per WP:BLP1E. Flat Out (talk) 02:58, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Request on 09:07:24, 2 November 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Yaniv unger
Hi. after you review what i wrote I add the inline citations that I have. Most of the materiel about the subject is in Hebrew and it based on her Hebrew Wikipedia page https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A8%D7%A7%D7%A4%D7%AA_%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A7_%D7%A2%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%97

Don't know what I need to add so it will approve Yaniv Yaniv unger (talk) 09:07, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I have marked the article and left a comment there for you. Flat Out (talk) 03:06, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Veruca James, review of submission by Scott
Hello Flat Out, My article for Draft:Veruca James was rejected three times which the third time was by you. What can I do to make it a good Wikipedia page? It seems she is a very private person in real life and there is not a lot of information (references) on her. Thank you. — Scott

Hello again, I have found more reliable sources (secondary to go with primary) such as AVN and XBIZ to support what I already have written and some new information. However, I will check out other pornographic companies' blogs to see what I can find on her. Perhaps, there is still hope for my article to be accepted. Thank you. — Scott


 * Scott, not everyone can be the subject of a Wikipedia page, they have to meet criteria for notability and that means a number of independent sources (newspapers, journals, magazines, books) need to have written about them. You can't make Veruca James notable, there are either suitable sources available or there aren't. Flat Out (talk) 22:08, 1 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello again, is the article from LA Weekly a reliable source? It is one of the best sources I have found while writing an article on her. I even used it as one of the references. Thank you. — Scott
 * Please sign posts on talk pages with the four tildes ~ . Yes that is a reliable source, it has editorial oversight. Flat Out (talk) 10:37, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the Draft:Bijoyini Mohanty
Hello Sir, Thanks for reviewing my first biography content and sharing your feedback. I have tried to give all required references that are available on the web about Prof. Bijoyini Mohanty. Please suggest me some solutions, so that I can improve the quality of the content. Regards, Shyam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shyam.jena (talk • contribs) 19:26, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * thanks for your questions, I have marked the article as to where additional references are needed and have left a comment there also. Flat Out (talk) 23:00, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Request on 00:10:10, 4 November 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Phillip.dunn626
Hi Flat Out,

This is my first article as I get a better understanding of the Wikipedia community and how things work. I see the article's been declined due to the sources not showing notability. I looked into the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule and I'm still having trouble on how I can improve. The general takeaways I got from these articles were that sources must be reliable (not blogs, directories, etc.) and should address the subject (not simply mention it in passing). My sources include Fortune, ABC News, CNBC, and Forbes - and the articles fully address the subject. If I could receive some clearer direction on how to improve my writing I'd be very grateful. Thanks! Phillip.dunn626 (talk) 00:10, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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00:29:01, 4 November 2015 review of submission by Blackinformant15
Hello. So, I need some help getting my page published. My editor left this comment, "Large sections remain unreferenced. The article appears to be copy-pasted from somewhere but I haven't been able to identify the source". I cited everything that is a direct quote and anything not directly cited can be found in the reference materials that I listed on the page. The editor also says that my article seems to be copy and pasted from somewhere but it's not. Perhaps my writing was too lyrical or embellished. Do I need to stick to listing facts and cut out any embellished sentences or complicated sentence structuring? Thanks. Blackinformant15 (talk) 00:29, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * editors need to be able to verify clams made in the article, so rather than only cited direct quotes you need to cite every statement that could be challenged - and there are lots. Flat Out (talk) 02:09, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Ciel Bergman edits
Hi, Thanks for your input. I have made the changes you suggested, found more references and updated/edited accordingly. Please let me know if I have I succeeded/improved. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Empress-of-angels (talk • contribs) 22:55, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Copyrighted materials - Rod Silva for President of the United States 2016
The content that I used on the Rod Silva for President of the United States 2016 page is copy that I won. Why can't I use it? Sorry, I've never done this before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmlpr36 (talk • contribs) 23:10, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You can't use it because you claimed copyright for it. We don't allow copyrighted content on wikipedia, please see WP:COPYVIO. Aside from that, the draft is overtly promotional and won't be accepted per WP:SOAPBOX. Flat Out (talk) 00:03, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Edits to THE FAME RIOT article
I added quite a few more summary statements and their citations to the article. I tried to add a discography for the band's new EP on iTunes by copying and pasting a template from the Wiki website. It allowed me to fill in the form, but when I tried saved the page, it did not come out right. Not sure how to proceed?Michael Sullivant (talk) 23:01, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Fiona Graham
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Rod Silva
Again...I own ALL of the content - the copy and the photos. Why was this deleted? What do you need from me to prove it? I am the one who created www.rodsilva2016.com on behalf of Rod. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmlpr36 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I answered this question above. Flat Out (talk) 01:33, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Funk_Division
Flat Out, Please can you let us know which of our three references provided are poor sources as they have been verified. We are a little confused as to why you declined this draft artist page so quickly when they are considered notable within their region and are under the publishing of the BBC London, UK. We have conducted a thorough discussion with other representatives who stated that 3-4 reliable sources are sufficient therefore a requirement for an understanding of your actions would be most appreciated along with a more clearer explanation for your reasons behind your decision. RapwriterWiki (talk) 17:28, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I declined the draft because I didn't feel the subject meet the criteria at WP:NBAND. If you can see an error please let me know or put it up for review and see what another editor thinks. Flat Out (talk) 01:37, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar!
I simply wanted to say thanks so much for the barnstar, with all the drama and tension around here, it sure helps when amicable messages are sent and it helps alleviate the "tiring" and overwhelming feelings. Cheers, SwisterTwister   talk  06:15, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * , you are more than welcome. I always try and recognise the hard work of editors. I think those of us that plough through the AfC backlog get lot's of questions and angst but really a thank-you Flat Out (talk) 01:38, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Frank D.Lanterman
Hi, This message is in regards to my Wikipedia page titled Frank D. Lanterman. After receiving your feedback, I made the appropriate changes to the page. I would appreciate your reconsideration of my Wikipedia page. I look forward to your feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krajagop (talk • contribs) 05:49, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see the comment I left on the on draft, best wishes Flat Out (talk) 02:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Diwakar Buddhist Academy
Hello Flat Out, I added some sources mentioning and writing about the Academy. Local newspaper as well as some big Indian newspapers. If you need more I'll have to look for local offline coverage. They also operate a Tibetan publication but I would have to ask someone else to gather Tibetan links as I have no command of that language. YvesJonas (talk) 14:30, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Great improvements - please see the comment I left on the on draft, best wishes Flat Out (talk) 02:05, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

05:30:31, 5 November 2015 review of submission by Mtuck82
Hi Flat Out. I've created a few different Wikipedia pages under various monikers over the years. I see the Sick Of It All page is still going strong! I'm just wondering why the UBET page is deemed not notable enough for inclusion? I note that Tatts Group has a page, but UBET currently does not. However, to borrow from a similar example, both Flight Centre and Flight Centre Australia have separate Wikipedia pages. Are you able to explain to me what the difference between Tatts Group/UBET and Flight Centre/Flight Centre Australia might be? I'm keen to stay within the bounds of Wiki protocol.
 * Hi, there is simply a lack of coverage about UBET in its own right so it doesn't pass WP:CORP or WP:GNG in my opinion. Flat Out (talk) 02:07, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

HELP
Hi You've declined my entry because it doesn't provide enough citations. I have tried to back up every paragraph. I'd be grateful for your advice on where I'm going wrong, Thanks Lee — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amanwy (talk • contribs) 15:51, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Amanwy you seem to have added citations after I declined the draft. Flat Out (talk) 01:29, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

AfC
You can also look at the sites www.roadrouteindia.com>karnataka>tumkur-bukkapatna road and distancebetween.co.in>tumkur-bukkapatna road.You can search in these sites as the searching terms as Tumkur-Bukkapatna Road. You will find the information regarding Tumkur-Bukkapatna Road or TCB Road. Please encourage me I am the begginer of our Wikipedia to publish this article.
 * thanks for your message. If you look at WP:REFBEGIN it will show you how to reference your article. Better referencing will help get the article approved. Best wishes Flat Out (talk) 03:57, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you,I will try it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manoj Hagalavadi. (talk • contribs) 04:02, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Uchida handbells edit
Problems: Tone was too informal. Avoid peacock words. Is the problem the second sentence "The manufacturing giant..."? Should I just reword it to "The megacorporation..." or something like that? Ecotopian7 (talk) 05:23, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

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07:21:14, 17 November 2015 review of submission by Gretchenlewis
Hi there I was trying to create a page for Delsinki Records and I have not written the article correctly could you please let me know what sort of changes I should look at making to it so it doesn't seem like an ad? Thanks for your time :)

Hi Flat Out, Your request for more and better citations for my entry on Philip Trager—https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Philip_Trager—had to wait a bit as Trager had to help me track down the additional references, and he was on press in Germany until just this week. Sorry! In any case, he helped me find the missing cites, and I've deleted a fair amount of copy that could not be cited specifically. The article still gets across what it needs to, however, and I triple-checked all the cites for accuracy. I hope that will push it "over the top" and we can finally get approval. Please get back to me with any further issues you may find, and I'll address them, too, and this time (I hope) more quickly. Thanks for your help. PeterPBGD (talk) 21:14, 17 November 2015 (UTC)PeterPBGD

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