User talk:Fleetowl

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Speedy deletion nomination of Johnathan Kendall

A tag has been placed on Johnathan Kendall requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a clear copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

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Speedy deletion nomination of User:Fleetowl

A tag has been placed on User:Fleetowl requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a clear copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Donating copyrighted materials. If you are not the owner of the external website but have permission from that owner, see Requesting copyright permission. You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion, or "db", tag; if no such tag exists, then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hang-on tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 22:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

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This is the first article I have ever submitted, and I am definitely a Wikipedia novice. My article was deleted due to 'unambiguous copyright infringement' against something else I wrote. As author of the cited article (Johnathan Kendall: Icons on Found Wood), can I not grant permission to Wikipedia for inclusion? If so, what do I do? Fleetowl (talk) 01:18, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The page you need to read up is WP:DCM  Ron h jones (Talk) 01:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Once I release this to free licenses as described, what is my next step now that the page has been deleted? Can my article be restored or would I need to re-create it? Fleetowl (talk) 15:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I assume you mean, regarding Johnathan Kendall ?


 * If you send permission, yes, it could be undeleted - but it would be restored to your user-space, where you could work on it.


 * Apart from the copyright problem, there are other issues - articles need to show notability with reliable sources.


 * If you send the permission email, please also state the name of the article, your user name, and that you'd like a copy of the article restored.  Chzz  ► 16:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Correct, I mean regarding Johnathan Kendall. Are you saying that even if the copyright issue is resolved, the article still does not meet the standards of notability and reliable sources? If so, would you please be explicit about all the problems the article has? Thank you. Fleetowl (talk) 18:43, 2 February 2011 (UTC) Thank you for the information. I do have another reference I could add, which is available online: an article in Cape Arts Review Magazine. Birth date and location are known, so I could add that as well. I had started a draft in my user space, but it seems that has been deleted as well. Question: if I re-word some of the content, will this take care of the copyright infringement issue? I am willing to do that as well, if there's a chance of having a successful contribution. (Or, as mentioned above I could release to free license, which will not be a problem.) Either way, this time I would submit my draft to an editor first. As I said, I am a novice and just struggling with the newness of all this. Thank you. Fleetowl (talk) 19:43, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The subject of an article must meet the Notability guideline. In this case, it would mean that the artist is discussed in multiple, independent reliable sources. While you have some references, it isn't yet clear to me that they meet the standard. References do NOT have to be online, but if they are available online, it makes it easier to check for notability.
 * A biography typically has a birth date and location . Is that not known?
 * References have to be formed in one of several alternative styles. See Referencing for beginners
 * Consider starting a draft in user space, where it is less likely to get quickly deleted, and you can work toward getting it acceptable. An easy way to start a draft in user space is to use the Article Wizard-- SPhilbrick  T  18:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Generally speaking (with some exceptions) speedy deleters will stay away from user space drafts EXCEPT for copyvios and attacks.


 * If you avoid the copyvio, you will probably be fine. However, one mistake some editors make is to copy material under copyright, and then reword it a bit so that it doesn't exactly match the original. This is not encouraged, as it is likely to result in Close paraphrasing. In fact, if you are writing an article based upon a single source, it is very difficult to avoid close paraphrasing. A good article will have several sources; it is best to read them all, and then write the article without copying any material into the draft.


 * You mentioned submitting a draft to an editor first. There is a process for that: start a draft in user space, and when you think you are ready, post at Requests for feedback. Unfortunately, that page is not fully staffed, so I can't promise a prompt review, but you can poke me at my talk page if you don't get a response, and I'll look at it, as it shows some promise.-- SPhilbrick  T  20:30, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Again, thank you for the information. Then I shall aim to rewrite as opposed to reword. I'm willing to give it one more shot before giving up. There is scant little information extant about this artist, and my objective was to stimulate more. Last question (I think): do I start from scratch? Or can the article be restored to my user space so I can work further on it. Fleetowl (talk) 20:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I will be blunt; personally - if trying to write about that subject - I'd give up, and choose another topic. As you said, "scant little information extant about this artist".


 * You absolutely require multiple reliable sources. Please see WP:VRS.


 * Personally, I look for 3 or more newspaper articles about the person. If I can find them - great; they'll pass the notability guideline. If not, then it is honestly best to choose a new subject.


 * Wikipedia, an Encyclopaedia, documents things that are already well-known; things which other people have extensively written about.


 * It is not for anything new; any information that is not already available elsewhere. There are other websites for that; see WP:ALTOUT.


 * I am sorry to write in a negative manner, but I hope you will understand.


 * You are, of course, welcome to try drafting an article - but, it might have to wait, until Johnathan Kendall has received considerably more press coverage.


 * The best advice, really, is to help us improve other articles. Maybe come back to this one later.


 * I will ask an admin to restore the article to your userspace;

 Chzz  ► 21:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * P.S. Fleetowl, I've taken the liberty of re-organizing this page a bit, collapsing the old warnings. Hope that helps.  Chzz  ► 21:26, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Wikipedia cannot host copyright material even in user space. If you organise a copyright release as explained at WP:DCM, then I can "userfy" it for you. What I could do now is email you the text, but I imagine you already have that? If you want me to do that, enable email on your account - click on "My preferences", and at the bottom of the "user profile" tab fill in your email address (which will not be visible to others) and check the box marked "Enable e-mail from other users". JohnCD (talk) 21:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate the direct advice. I am perfectly willing to abandon this project if even an ideal effort on my part is unlikely to result in a successful Wikipedia article. If it's a bad choice of subject, I'd rather not waste my time and energy trying. But I don't want to give up if the problem is just that I gave it a bad first effort. This artist's first exhibition in 2007 (and newly restored doors that were centerpiece of the exhibit) were the subject of 7 newspaper articles at the time, but none of these exist online anymore. They were write-ups (not just event listings) and I do have hard copies of them. Do these count? If not, I will abandon my effort. But if so, I am willing to give it one more try, and can either 1. execute the copyright release to have the page "userfied" for further work, or 2. rewrite and start from scratch as a new attempt, whichever is the better route. (I don't need the text emailed to me.) Please let me know your advice regarding whether its worth another attempt, and if so which path (1 or 2) is preferrable from your perspective. In case its helpful for you to know names of the publications that covered the exhibit and/or restoration of the featured doors, they were: Cape Cod Life, Cape Arts Review, Provincetown Banner, Maine Antiques Digest, The Cape Codder aside from Cape Cod Voice and Artscope already mentioned. Thank you. Fleetowl (talk) 22:52, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I've no idea how "good" those papers are - others may comment. But I can say that references do not have to be "on-line" - it's nice if they are, but not essential. You might also like to start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts - we have Wikiprojects for most areas, they help to bring together like minded editors.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:46, 2 February 2011 (UTC)