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End dates
We simply note the last time a player appeared for their country. Once they make another appearance then the infobox can be updated to show that they played in 2022. It's not our job to predict if a player is going to make another international appearance, we report facts. There's too much pushing content into infoboxes across this project without references rather than adding referenced prose in the main content. Nthep (talk) 14:01, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's definitely not our job to state a player has retired, that would be largely unreferenced, and could very easily see a wholesale change to what we do within WPRL. I'm not looking to upset the applecart, merely maintain the previous position that in and around tournament time we do not state to the outside world that a player has retired, as that is what we would actively be doing. We shoot ourselves in the foot as a sport, attempting to drive people away from the sport by intention or incompetence, but probably best that we don't do it in a RLWC tournament time. I personally don't agree with the closing out of years, can understand the references at WPRL allow us to have something solid to latch onto, but it seems churlish to remove the previous tournament time position and retire him, especially as we all know there is a date stamp to state when the stats are up to date to. If you want to retire the player the minute after elimination, it wouldn't seem logical to me, but post tournament the previously given leeway disappears and rugby league can again diverge from other sports.Fleets (talk) 14:08, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Who is equating end date with retirement? I'm not, I'm simply stating a fact as to when a player last played for their national team.  Your position appears to me to be that once a player is tagged with a representative appearance then representation remains open-ended until they announce that their international career is over?
 * Take Agoro, for example, that reads to me that between 2015 and 2021 he has made a number of appearances for Jamaica - not that he has made his final appearance for Jamaica, just that the most recent was 2021. Ideally we should adding prose to the article to say that he has been named in the Jamaica squad for the World Cup, then, if and when he makes an appearance this year the most recent appearance is updated in the infobox to 2022.
 * This is what I mean by I think there is too much quick updating without sources or supporting text. It's just too prevalent across this project that people want to put figures in infoboxes without remembering that infoboxes should summarise the article content and are not a substitute for the article content. A related example - Richie Myler, you've updated the flag in the Rhinos squad navbox to say Ireland which correctly reflects his declaration (not that I agree with flags in squad navboxes anyway but that's beside the point here) but the article on Myler lacks anything to explain why the navbox is now correct and that he has declared an willingness to play for Ireland and how he is qualified to do so.  That really is confusing to the lay reader. Nthep (talk) 14:46, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Navbox order
You recently reverted my edit to Gareth Widdop based on MOS, but I do not know where in the MOS guidelines it states the order in which these navboxes should appear. I could not identify any particular reason behind the existing order so I changed it because to me it made sense that the Melbourne navboxes could be placed together, but if this was incorrect it would be useful to know why to improve my future edits. EdwardUK (talk) 20:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries, always happy to help. They are placed first with top level clubs, then internationals, then personal achievements or awards, then non top level rugby league & youth level navboxes.Fleets (talk) 07:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

commas issue
Just reverted your edit here. There should be commas. Just punctuation. Best regards Gertruda Low (talk) 15:08, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you need a rest after two words that is on you, but that is not the case in British-English.Fleets (talk) 15:11, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * what you mean "a rest after two words"? Gertruda Low (talk) 15:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A break.Fleets (talk) 15:28, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * Looks like someone might have had some tainted cheese on that pizza, because he played in a World Cup match at the weekend.Fleets (talk) 20:48, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

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Do not attack other people as you did at User talk:Pizzaplayer219. Calling someone a fat troll and small minded is unacceptable; I suggest you strike those comments. If you disagree with something about content, discuss it calmly to come to the correct result. Ovinus (talk) 21:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I suggest someone saying what they said about the World Cup to be a great deal worse.Fleets (talk) 19:23, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

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2025 Festival of World Cups
Hi. I understand your comment, however, WP:VERIFY is a core policy of WP, and that stub simply does not meet it, as the festival is not even mentioned in the source.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:58, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'm on board with that, added a few in. The festival of world cups is the terminology for the umbrella tournament name, until the actual day of the current tournament. The 2025 version will be built up over time.Fleets (talk) 14:05, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

NRL
It looks like you have been reverting a few changes that follow MOS:1STABBR without discussion. I'm struggling to work out why you would have a problem with that? Doctorhawkes (talk) 22:57, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It simply looks terrible, disrupts the flow, removes peoples innate curiosity through wikilinks and treats the reader like they should be on simple English wikipedia. It is a non-enforced rule across a multitude of other abbreviations, such as NASA, BBC, etc. I've tried engaging but the person involved has dragged me down. I will leave them be, as I can imagine it might grind on those who read through changes. I specifically apologise to you and other rugby league fans.Fleets (talk) 19:23, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * NASA and BBC are listed exceptions; if you think this ought to be as well, you're welcome to propose that. But readers shouldn't be forced to follow links to understand an article - we have a global audience to serve. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:10, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

November 2022
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 * No worries, happy to engage. I feel that I offered you a road, you to me to take it, I did. You decided that you didn't like that road. Other editors reverted as well. I'm happy to engage, and fully appreciate that you are not a vandal, perhaps the furthest thing from it. Let's find a solution that puts an infobox in place.Fleets (talk) 19:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If you don't want me to remove the infobox, perhaps you should contribute to the discussion on the talk page and explain your position rather than edit-warring and using misleading edit summaries. My edits are not vandalism, I am editing to improve the encyclopaedia. The infobox does not improve the page and includes information that does not belong on the page. Why on earth would anyone looking for the tournament squads care about how many games each team won or lost? There is also a better way of displaying the coach/captain info, as I have demonstrated on the talk page, which you would know if you had contributed to the discussion. You've had three, almost four days to reply, and yet instead you've just decided to carry on this childish attitude. Grow up and learn to collaborate with others instead of pretending you own the page. – PeeJay 19:18, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Happy to engage, talk pages better place to do so. Let someone else find the right template, because I feel the displaying one was sufficient. I'm walking away from it to allow others to come on board.Fleets (talk) 19:21, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The road you offered was ridiculous. There is already an infobox for rugby league tournaments, the one you've been editing is for tours such as 1911–12 Kangaroo tour of Great Britain, and there certainly shouldn't be an infobox on the squads page, at least not in the form you're proposing. I also offered an alternative... on the article talk page, which (I reiterate) you have ignored. Instead of stepping away from the discussion, perhaps engage with the one that has already started and stop edit warring. – PeeJay 19:26, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries, I can appreciate your vitriol coming through, but I certainly didn't feel my suggestion was ridiculous. I can appreciate that you are providing links, but others beyond myself feel that an infobox is justified. I'm happy for there to be an infobox, not tied to the current version, but I am stepping away to see if there is anyone who has an opinion on the matter, let others have their say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fleets (talk • contribs) 19:42, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter whether you "feel" an infobox is justified; per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE, the current infobox is simply not fit for purpose. I've added the infobox to 1908–09 Kangaroo tour of Great Britain and 1911–12 Kangaroo tour of Great Britain to show its intended purpose. Hopefully you'll see your mistake. – PeeJay 19:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, happy to let a broader group find the correct infobox, that ticks all of the boxes.Fleets (talk) 19:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

"present" for rep players
Template:Infobox rugby league biography says "Don't use "present" for the year end, as a representative team by its nature is not continuous." Any reason you'd be reverting edits against that for a Tongan rep? Doctorhawkes (talk) 07:44, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems to go against the grain of everywhere else, and seems a bit early when the sport actually has people interested in it as the World Cup is still going on. To the outside world we are advertising that the players have retired, with all of about 10 people reading the guide for the infobox. Wait a week and players can be retired with no comeback, as the sports visibility drops off a cliff.Fleets (talk) 08:30, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I see they've retired from international rugby league (to everyone but WPRL), and unfortunately it appears that other sports see international representation as continuous, and not in the way that club sport is contractual, and that your time at a club starts and concludes in line with the contract. Like I said, we've retired them early to the outside world, but people will probably not bother too much in a week or so anyways, so no real harm done.Fleets (talk) 08:37, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * When you're reverting people that you know are following the guidelines (having discussed them before) it goes beyond "no harm done". Doctorhawkes (talk) 11:46, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, the World Cup is not over, we are going against the grain, I thought there was tacit agreement to wait until the end of the competition before we went the other way. I really don't see an issue in waiting a week, but if you feel harmed, then I apologise to you. My only concern is that the sport is best publicised to the widest audience, and portray it in the best possible way, and in this instance in line with all other sports. An extra week of retirees is not going to overly help or hinder international rugby league. Fleets (talk) 17:36, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Images
I've noticed that you have uploaded to commons a few images relating to the 2021 Rugby League World Cup. I've have gone and tagged them with "Catagory:2021 Rugby League World Cup" for as many as I could find. Please could you ensure that any photos I have missed are tagged with this so they appear in the correct category commons page making them easier to find. If you have any photos belonging to other rugby league competitions please could you add the correct tags to those also as it helps editors find relevant images for articles a lot easier. Thankyou in advance. Mn1548 (talk) 14:02, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you need an 'e' and not an 'a' in there.Fleets (talk) 20:38, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

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I'm curious if you have an opinion on Trell vs Trell Mit? Doctorhawkes (talk) 10:21, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Latrell is not a common name, but I reverted the other "names"; nicknames, informal or other because it was unsourced.Fleets (talk) 10:24, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

2025 Rugby League World Cup
Why have you reverted my edits regarding the 2025 Rugby League World Cup. Editors HAVE NOT spent time during the 2021 Rugby League World Cup agreeing a new format for these tournaments for it to be ignored for future editions of the competition. The Rugby League World Cup has confirmed four major tournament for 2025 therefore they should be treated as equal as have the three major tournaments of 2021. Please revert your edits as soon as possible or they will be reverted regardless. Mn1548 (talk) 17:21, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think there were any of the core WPRL editors that did agree with the 2021 format, much the opposite. They are fundamentally unequal tournaments, and the 2021 move was forced through whilst multiple editors were on the way to the opening game of the 2021 RLWC. You would need to seek consensus to move away from the norm, not see the aberration as the rule. Build consensus to overrule, otherwise please go and shout at Gary Lineker for daring to say Canada have scored their first goal in the World Cup.Fleets (talk) 12:33, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

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Disruption
These types of disruptive reverts aren't going to work. MOS:ACRO1STUSE will be applied across the majority of NRL articles, so you might as well put ya big girl pants on and accept it. Cheerio. – 2 . O . Boxing  07:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * You are a very odd person to seemingly enjoy doing that kind of thing. I tend to think the most of people, but if you want to treat people like they belong on the Simple English Wikipedia, then who am I to say to go up against you and your "big girl" clothes as you put it. I'm quite happy to leave it there tbh, as you do seem to have plenty of time for the mundane, and I do not.Fleets (talk) 08:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * To seemingly enjoy consistency and following easily-understood guidelines? Yea, sure. Guilty! If you have an issue with MOS:ACRO1STUSE, take it up at the appropriate talk page.Who am I to say to go up against you and your "big girl" clothes as you put it, not quite, rather, who are you to repeatedly go against consensus-built guidelines with sneaky and disruptive reverts in favour of your minority preference?I'm quite happy to leave it there tbh, sounds familiar. And you do seem to have plenty of time to make reverts just for the sake of reverting. Just stop it. It's kind of weird. – 2 . O . Boxing  10:50, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I'm going to leave it there, as it feels like taking repeated blows to the head, and really, you calling anyone weird is just laughable. Please go away, you odious character with an obsession with the mundane.Fleets (talk) 12:15, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


 * This isn't the first time you've encountered this issue, nor the first time you've responded in the same manner to such an issue. Maybe, instead of it being my--and, apparently, others--'mundane obsession' that is the problem, maybe, just maybe, it's you that is the problem. Food for thought and all that. Try to resist the urge to engage in nonsensical edit wars against consensus, and you shan't see me here again. – 2 . O . Boxing  22:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Nah, pretty sure you're boring to others, and to me, so go away you boring, boring person.Fleets (talk) 16:06, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

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It's extremely uncollegial to revert 35, that's THIRTY-FIVE edits without a single explanation or justification. I'll be undoing your reverts tomorrow. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  11:20, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Your script was going against a long-standing MOS on the infobox places, and as such I would have done your research first.Fleets (talk) 18:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

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Nomination of Nico Rizzelli for deletion
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The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Nico Rizzelli until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Nomination of Josh Maree for deletion
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The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Josh Maree until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Nomination of Bastien Scimone for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Bastien Scimone is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Bastien Scimone until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Nomination of Jaxson Rahme for deletion
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Nomination of McKenzie Buckley for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article McKenzie Buckley is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/McKenzie Buckley until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Nomination of Loan Castano for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Loan Castano is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Loan Castano until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. JTtheOG (talk) 20:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)