User talk:FleurDeOdile

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Thank you! --EGalvez (WMF) (talk) 19:20, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Track help
Thanks for the advice. However, what input should I put it on the terminal? I am currently using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, as an alternative because I also work in tropical cyclone images as you have seen me overwrite it with a better 'science quality data' version. Can you tell me what is the input for centering the track? I am new to the project, as I want to do it. Also, can you assess the error above? (please see Tracks.) - 👦 13:19, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

TS Fitow track??
Okay. I was just spinning in the 2001 typhoon season article and saw your IBTrACS data of Tropical Storm Fitow. I mean, it is the "biggest clusterfuck of dots of all time". Now, if you see here (http://agora.ex.nii.ac.jp/cgi-bin/weather-chart/search_day.pl?lang=en&year=2001&month=8&day=25) until the end of 30 (18z), you could say that I am conflicted in the TD Jolina infobox that "it was last seen as an exposed surface circulation virtually where it formed on August 21" when the JMA weather maps continued to track Jolina until the storm was last seen as a TD near Taiwan (see day 24, 06z). - 👦 06:17, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Basin boundary
Please!! I want the code. Supportstorm doesn't reply to my message. Plssss Regards, 👦 13:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Regards, 👦 05:54, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Some of your recent edit summaries and WP:ESDOS
Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.


 * I noticed a recent edit of yours (namely, a change of an inofbox's image) appeared to be unnecessarily inflammatory towards another user. Some of your recent edits (e.g. and ) might also be interpreted in this way, while others are vague or lack explanation (e.g.  and ). Edit summaries are an important aspect of editing on Wikipedia, particularly in resolving content disputes. See the section §Edit summary dos and don'ts on Wikipedia's Civility policy for a brief summary of what should be avoided in edit summaries, and WP:EDITSUMCITE for a quick overview over what makes a good edit summary. -- TheAustinMan (Talk ⬩ Edits) 18:52, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Edit summary
Did you really just assert here in your edit summary that I should be banned from uploading? That is not really a valid justification for your edit, and is rather contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. I'm not sure why you prefer that image to the original anyway, given how low resolution and zoomed out it is. I am not going to revert your edit given recent events; however, I will contact other editors to see their opinion. Pinging: ,

To be honest with you, I'm not so concerned about the image. Of course, I believe your upload has several flaws, but I couldn't really care less about that at the moment. I'm just disappointed with your edit summary and your attitude towards me in general. I am not going to have an argument about it, because it will probably just end up being twisted to be used as more ammunition against me. ChocolateTrain (talk) 20:35, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I hate getting involved in these satellite imagery wars and I think Hink is the same as I have no real knowledge about this.Jason Rees (talk) 22:52, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem. ChocolateTrain (talk) 00:51, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * If anyone has a problem with what image is used, remember that it's pretty much pointless, the average reader doesn't care, and if you can't agree on something, then you need to discuss it on a talk page and not in an edit summary. I don't believe anyone involved here should lose the privileges of uploading images. There are so few of us editing TC articles. We need to get along and make our edits productive. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:29, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Ferdinand image
I can't believe that I really have to engage in yet another disagreement with you about image selection, but I feel that it is warranted in the Ferdinand situation to prevent any more pointless reversions. I believe your preferred image, namely File:Ferdinand 2020-02-26 0605Z.jpg, is inferior to the original image, namely File:Ferdinand 2020-02-26 0608Z.jpg. The most pressing reason for this is the excessively small portion of the image that the cyclone occupies in your upload. By my rough estimation (assuming a circular system with a total CDO and banding radius equal to approximately 15% of the image width), the cyclone takes up only 5% of the image area, given a 4:3 aspect ratio. This is far too small. Looking at the image, it is effectively impossible to discern any details of the cloud structure and shape other than simply that it is white and roughly circular. The 0608Z image, which I prefer and uploaded originally, shows details like cloud texture and altitude to some extent, and shows more clearly that the eye is not circular. There is no reason to have the cyclone take up such a small portion of the image, when the sole purpose of the image is to show what the cyclone looks like. Although our situation is not as extreme, the first bullet point here, the point regarding subject size in the preceding plain text, as well as the photo in the previous subsection, illustrate a starker example of what I am trying to explain. I should also note that your image is timestamped incorrectly, as the Aqua satellite passed over the cyclone at 06:08 UTC rather than 06:05 UTC, contrary to the indication in your image's title.

It is not necessarily my place to comment on your editing history, but given a cursory perusal of your editing statistics, perhaps it would be useful and rewarding for you to consider diversifying your contributions to Wikipedia, and to clash less with editors on the topic of images. ChocolateTrain (talk) 03:13, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * FleurDeOdile: I encourage you to engage in the discussion ChocolateTrain is facilitating here. By my count, the two of you have overriden each other's image eight times, including the latest instance which occurred well after ChocolateTrain opened dialogue above, not to mention the several changes on the file itself. All of these changes have also been done without noting the change in edit summaries. I know these have largely been two-sided affairs, but I would suggest in future instances to bring image discussions to the article's talk page rather than on user talk pages to foster further discussion and better gauge consensus on the article itself.
 * The two images have their positives, but ideally I think a compromise between the two images would be best. I think the best tropical cyclone images are ones that provide sufficient context: they satisfactorily illustrate the storm's intensity, appearance, and surrounding the geographic context—all three of those facets. The 0605z image does a better job at the last point, showing more of the surrounding landmasses, while the 0608z handles the first two better, since we don't want the subject matter to be so small relative to the image. I would suggest a crop about midway between the two, perhaps with just part of Sumba in view. — TheAustinMan (Talk ⬩ Edits) 00:45, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Cyclone Herold
Hey there. I saw you redirected the article for Cyclone Herold without any discussion. May I ask, how come? The article is on the shorter side, sure, but the storm still killed five people, affected two different countries, and was pretty impactful for Madagascar. It's not the best article, sure, but it's an article made by a new user, and I'm trying to encourage new users to try making articles, even if they're not perfect. There's a reason we have start-class articles. Eventually they can be improved by other users. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:28, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Namely, THIS new user! 🐔Chicdat (talk) 11:48, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

2001
A wake-up call for you. I'm gonna revert it. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tropical_cyclones/Tracks#No_IBTrACS) Regards, 👦 05:47, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Final warning over inappropriate behavior
You have been warned multiple times over the last several months about your inappropriate behavior, particularly with edit summaries, and this is your final such warning. Recent examples:, ,. I gave you a warning myself in November, you received a second warning in February, and ChocolateTrain complained later that month. A lack of responses to these messages leaves me to believe you have no intention of changing your behavior. If you continue attacking other editors through summaries or messages, you will be blocked for a period of time. Please refer to Civility on how to appropriately interact with other users on the site. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:35, 4 April 2020 (UTC)


 * the problem is that all of this is caused by all of users that trigger me (IPs, vandals and F13 followers). and combined with anger issues causes that. i honestly need a break from WP for a long while (not necessarily i need to be banned). Fleur  De  Odile  21:07, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It's understandable that things can get frustrating, that's comes with trying to maintain the site. But when that frustration builds, you have to take a step back before reacting. Things don't have to be accomplished immediately here, so taking time to think things through is not a problem at all. Discussions are a core element of Wikipedia, that's how disputes are resolved here. In the case of not believing Irondro warrants an article, the best course of action would be to start a discussion on the talk page and ping (using ) the editors involved. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 21:30, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Unexplained reversion
You have once again reverted an edit without providing an explanation. This is contrary to Wikipedia policy and is unacceptable. ChocolateTrain (talk) 04:26, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Note that if you fail to provide an adequate explanation for this reversion, or any reversion in the future, the previous version will be restored. You cannot continue to flout policy and revert non-vandal edits without explanation simply because you feel like it. You need to be accountable for your actions. ChocolateTrain (talk) 06:13, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Are you going to reply to my message, or simply ignore it like the other times I've called you out on this behaviour? ChocolateTrain (talk) 05:10, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I mean...
I know that you have reverted me twice regarding TD Ambo's image in the current infobox. But is the reason because the image name and quality is not that good since it has been made by a relatively new user? I will agree with that, though. Apologies if I couldn't create a new image earlier but at least the geostationary images will be up as soon as it is designated. Typhoon2013 (talk) 00:55, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 section on 2020 AHS
Are you just going to keep removing the COVID section on 2020 Atlantic hurricane season without providing an explanation? You have not said anything at all on why you keep removing it. I for one think it needs to be there considering the season could be one of the most difficult seasons we’ve been through, because of the pandemic and potentially active season forecasted too. So please stop, or I may have to report you if you keep this up. --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 23:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)


 * How active the season may be is of little importance. Nevertheless, I don't have a problem with the content but the lead sees like a weird place for the information. Perhaps the seasonal predictions section? YE Pacific Hurricane 00:08, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Can i ask a question? What makes some random mayor of a city in some US State so notable, that his views about Covid and the hurricane season are represented in the AHS? Especially at a time when the TC warning system was being tested in the Solomon Islands, Vanuatu, Fiji and Tonga by Cyclone Harold. I would also be curious to see if his views has changed since. Dont get me wrong though, I think some stuff to covid is relevant to all of the season articles, but it has to be in a balanced way.Jason Rees (talk) 01:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Repeated content removal
, if you keep removing content from articles without adequately explaining why, I might have to report you at ANI. Just saying... 🐔Chicdat Chicken Database 10:48, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Funny, I was just coming to this page to post the same thing. , can you explain your content removal in this edit? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:05, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020, just gonna include this here
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, you may be blocked from editing. '' shows you just redirected without any procedure beforehand. Don’t do that please. There is also word you’re removing stuff related to COVID (which has effects on tropical cyclone disaster management) from TC articles. ...yeah.'' AC5230  talk  17:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020
I have blocked this account for 72 hours in response to your persistent disruptive editing–ownership of article content, edit warring, WP:IDHT behavior, and general refusal to cooperative. Please take this time to review Wikipedia's guidelines and policies on collaborative editing and building consensus. If you feel this block was in error you may appeal it by following the instructions at WP:APB. Thank you. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 18:22, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editing
In the 2020 Pacific hurricane season article, you removed a mention that travel restrictions were lifted and stores were opened at partial capacity amid the pandemic to allow people to prepare for Amanda. That is directly related and it's not ambiguous. You have been told by multiple editors now, including when you and I had an extensive chat on IRC, that coronavirus mentions are notable and worthy of addition. If you truly believe your viewpoint is the correct one and you can persuade everybody else, bring the topic up on a talk page. Otherwise, these edits are nothing but disruptive. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 17:24, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * it has absolutely nothing to do with TCs and this is a TC-only project. not a virus one Fleur  De  Odile  17:32, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If it impacts how people access supplies and prepare for a tropical cyclone, it is very clearly related... TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 17:45, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

June 2020
FleurDeOdile, you protest to everything, even to the point of being blocked, with merely saying, "This is a TC-only project, not a virus one." But it is a virus one if it does in how says it. And could you possibly explain why Tropical Storm Arthur (2020) was redirected with the mere edit summary DO NOT REVERT? If the edit summary was more specific, it might have not been immediately reverted. Thanks, 🐔 Chicdat Chicken Database 10:11, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

"Garbage image"
How is File:SD4 2020-06-22 Terra.jpg a garbage image? The seam? The Aqua pass hasn't happened yet but this image seems certainly fine for now - it's more up-to-date than the image from yesterday, which also has a visible seam. I don't understand the flat-out removal of the image. Jokullmusic 21:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

July 2020
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, you may be blocked from editing. ''If you think information on Tropical Depression Seven is poorly written, why don't you edit it and improve it. Stop being mean to IPs and Weatherman27 and deleting content. Your negative attitude toward other editors as shown from previous edit summaries and your previous edits needs to stop. If you continue to do that, I will report you. ~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs'') 21:25, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Thank you. ~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs) 14:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Please stop taking ownership of pages. This is why editors have threatened to report you/block you. Please reflect on your actions. Thanks, and stay safe. ~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs) 14:16, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

You did something useful!
Good call removing the Tropical Storm Isaias article when the storm wasn't even named nor was noteworthy at the time. Just wanted to commend you as usually we're angry at you so I decided to give you some credit. ~ AC5230  talk  23:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Arbcom's gonna have my head on a stick for this. I'm sorry, Fleur. ~ AC5230  talk  23:37, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

The Hagupit image
Please give me a reason why you took off the Hagupit Suomi NPP image from the Typhoon Hagupit (2020) link in Wikimedia Commons? This really wasn't necessary, but very disappointing. Typhoon2013 (talk) 01:05, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Please action
One person spoiled the article of the 2020 Northern Indian Ocean cyclone season and please take action on it. Janm 7 (talk) 08:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

August 2020
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to 2020 Pacific hurricane season, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. ''Your reversion at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020_Pacific_hurricane_season&diff=973324266&oldid=973322905 which removed a paragraph for Fausto (that would otherwise need better formatting (just do that instead!)) was not particularly the best course of action and ESPECIALLY w/ it having no edit summary is just explicitly... goodness. I quote User:Jasper Deng on IRC whom to which you must answer: "what did I say about reverting others without edit summaries?" You've done this before. Don't do it again. Thank you, ~'' AC5230  talk  20:59, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at 2020 Atlantic hurricane season, you may be blocked from editing. ''Why did you remove the records subsection. it’s there for a reason. Saying it’s spam isn’t a viable reason. One more time and I will report you.'' ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 01:31, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
For doing all the storm tracks and storm images. It probably takes a lot of work! Good job.

~ Destroyeraa 🌀 17:34, 13 September 2020 (UTC) 

Paulette image
Sorry, I reverted the wrong edit it was just a mistake fyi. But is there by any chance you could resize your other Paulette image to perhaps take off the line at the top right corner? Typhoon2013 (talk) 21:26, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

September 2020
I think it would be nice for you to give a valid explanation via a talk page or perhaps an edit summery instead of reverting with no reason and doing it in a wrong way by saying in a side not to not use an alternative image? Typhoon2013 (talk) 01:17, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. I personally think it would do FDO some good if he was blocked for another 72 hours. An IP has raised a complaint at Talk:Tropical cyclone effects in Europe for Fleur's reversion of all of Subtropical Storm Alpha's section in the article! This means that the third Atlantic hurricane to make landfall in Europe — and the first storm to do so since 1842 — doesn't even get a mention in Tropical cyclone effects in Europe. If I hadn't agreed to a voluntary administrative restriction (that is, until I get three featured articles... or maybe twenty-seven ), then FleurDeOdile would already be at ANI. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  10:50, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Teddy Image
Hello, I believe the image you removed from Teddy was not poor quality so I will revert it back. Ty! Robloxsupersuperhappyface (talk) 01:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Same for Vicky! Thank you. Typhoon2013  (talk) 00:42, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Trouted
On the new Gamma satellite pic you added (replacing mine :, the file name says 2020-09-03. It’s October!!

~ Destroyeraa 🌀 23:57, 3 October 2020 (UTC) lmao im too stupid to pretend its not september Fleur  De  Odile  00:00, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Do not revert image changes
I'm going to tell you something, Fleur.

Do not revert image changes. Do not revert image changes. Do not revert image changes. Do not revert image changes. Do not revert image changes. Do not revert image changes. Do not revert image changes. Do not revert image changes.

More? No? 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:16, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I used to have a trouble with this in 2017, it's about Hurricane Harvey. My preferred image is the one which is used today, but in order to get that thing, it took me pains. Please, you'll need to discuss first before reverting image changes. Chicdat is right.  SMB9 9thx   my edits  11:48, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid he won't listen. If he's ever listened to any advice, regarding imgs, edit-wars, or otherwise, I'll request a thousand-day block for my stupidness. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  12:00, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Chill. Please. It's getting to the point of WP:ABF for both of you. Don't spam please. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 13:53, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'm sorry to everyone. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  10:03, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps a slight change name?
Hi, Fleur. Correct me if I am wrong but I just want to say thanks for helping keeping updated with the geostationary images towards the Atlantic (and maybe PHS) basin articles. But maybe to save your time and effort as well, since I started doing this recently in the Wpac geo images, but to just use the designation number instead for the name? As for instance with "Epsilon Geostationary VIS-IR 2020", it would be replaced with 27L instead. Back then when we only have a designation then it strengthens into a named storm, we have to request to change and update the file name. Moreover the geo images in a season have a mix of the storm names and storm designations. Just a heads up. Have a good day, though. Typhoon2013 (talk) 22:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Zeta
The National Hurricane Center is still updating the post tropical storm, next update is at 5PM (EST). - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion 2
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Thank you. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 17:55, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello FleurDeOdile. You've been reported for edit warring, but you've made no response. It looks like you are making similar reverts at a number of articles in favor of the image you prefer, File:Eta 2020-11-03 0355Z.jpg. To avoid sanctions it would be advisable for you to respond and promise to wait for consensus about the image. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Geo images...
I would like to thank you firstly on continuing a great job with TC images especially with the geostationary images in the Atlantic. Just a question, are you getting the images from the NRL website? Because if so I am wondering why your images are in a .jpg file instead of a .png file. Typhoon2013 (talk) 01:36, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring at Hurricane Eta
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 5 days for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. The full report is at the edit warring noticeboard. To be unblocked, any reasonable proposal for how you could act differently in the future might be considered. You were blocked 72 hours for similar reasons back in May 2020 but the complaints on your talk page suggest that no improvement occurred as a result. EdJohnston (talk) 19:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sadly, he will likely not acknowledge anything even then. But I cannot speak for Fleur. But here's a FINAL warning to you, Fleur: Change your ways or you will be no longer welcome here. ~ AC5230  talk  19:15, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

November 2020
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 month for making personal attacks towards other editors. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 02:46, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I strongly advise Fleur to seek WP:Mentorship from an experienced editor on how to better handle themselves on the site. If they agree to do so, the block may be rescinded early but additional personal attacks/harassment of other users and/or edit warring will result in an even longer block. Incivility has been a chronic issue with Fleur and they have shown little care toward correcting this behavior. There is a desire to work within the project from what I've seen, but the manner in which they have gone about it over the least year or more has not been acceptable. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 02:51, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!
Happy Holidays text.png Hello FleurDeOdile: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, 𝙲𝚘𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐𝙲𝚢𝚌𝚕𝚘𝚗𝚎 ᴛᴀʟᴋ 01:55, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


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==Happy New Year!== 



 FleurDeOdile , Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours!  HurricaneEdgar    18:06, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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One-minute winds in the Australian region
I wish to talk about your frequent removal of valid data from the 2020–21 Australian region cyclone season article. I appreciate that you don't seem to think the JTWC has classified the season's tropical lows as tropical depressions, but this assertion is simply false, as I've pointed out numerous times, and yet you continue to ignore it. Along with the one-minute sustained wind speed, the tropical depression designation is quite clearly indicated in the JTWC track files for the relevant systems. As I have also mentioned, the JTWC—as written on their website—is a branch of the United States Navy whose purpose is to provide warnings on severe tropical meteorological threats to agencies of the US government. You should notice that there are several products that the JTWC only issues for systems in the western North Pacific Ocean, including prognostic reasoning messages, three-hourly position update products and numbered warnings for systems with sustained winds of 23–33 knots (below tropical storm threshold). As directly stated on their website, "Per JTWC directive, prognostic reasoning messages are only required for the western North Pacific, where there are increased U.S. Government asset concerns." This point about the northwestern Pacific having more US government assets (e.g. navy and air force bases) is one that I have also mentioned–and has been ignored–several times. Furthermore, "JTWC initiates tropical cyclone warnings when... estimated maximum sustained wind speeds within a closed tropical circulation meet or exceed a designated threshold of 25 knots in the North Pacific Ocean or 35 knots in the South Pacific and Indian Oceans," as I have explained previously. Thus, the reason you don't see products on tropical depressions in the Australian region is because the JTWC does not operationally issue numbered warnings on these systems due to a lack of US government assets there, and not because the system somehow isn't a tropical depression. I really hope this is the last time I have to explain this. ChocolateTrain (talk) 07:15, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * JTWC does not produce final best tracks for such systems that don't get classified, and invest numbers repeatedly roll over, so there is no way for us to source these numbers in the same way we can point to track files of classified systems. FleurDeOdile is right to do what they're doing here. Also, you really need to work on being less overly verbose; this could've been explained in half the words or less.--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Archived operational track files are sufficient for non-TS strength systems. Also, I know I've mentioned this to you in the past, but you one can't make a good argument if you don't one doesn't include any evidence–otherwise it's just my word against theirs. ChocolateTrain (talk) 07:33, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * When did I not include any evidence? I literally just pointed out that archived operational track files are not sufficient in general because of the reuse of invest numbering. There will be multiple 90S's and/or 90P's this season, for example. When a new invest is needed, the old ones' track is overwritten. Also, JTWC is not consistent in classifying these systems as TD, sometimes using DB instead. There is a strong project consensus against using these 1-minute numbers, so you will have to bring this up at WT:WPTC if you want any hope of changing this practice, not one of our talk pages.--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:47, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ackk, I saw something changed on the season article that led me over to this page. Only have the info from JTWC for designated systems (01P, 02S, 03S, 04P, etc). Invests don't count.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 07:54, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I never said anything about you not including evidence. I was talking in general terms about how arguments are written. I have now changed the wording above to make it clearer. Incidentally, avoiding ambiguity and minsunderstanding like this is exactly why it is prudent to not sacrifice clarity for conciseness. Anyway, your point about overwriting track files is irrelevant, since we can simply archive them for future use. There are dates and times for each data point contained in the track file, so there is no risk of confusing invests with the same designation. And yes, the JTWC actually is consistent in their classifications. In the future please ping me when replying, because I am not a talk-page stalker because I think it's unhelpful. ChocolateTrain (talk) 09:17, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * As one of the main SHEM editors, this is one issue that I hate with the JTWC in the SHEM as they won't call anything a tropical depression publically (The ECMWF/NOAA BT files are not public per say and do not supersede the Significant Tropical Weather Advisories). I will note that though we could in theory, have a situation where NOAA (NWS Pago Pago) issues warnings on a tropical depression that is expected to intensify into a tropical cyclone and impact American Samoa. Now bearing in mind that NOAA wants to use 1-min winds worldwide, I would think that it would be perfectly valid to call it a tropical depression on the SSHWS.Jason Rees (talk) 19:52, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * JTWC does not reanalyze these systems though and doesn't put data in IBTRACS. I also do not think CT is entitled to pings; that's what watchlists are for.--Jasper Deng (talk) 20:49, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Vicky pt 2
Reverting the Vicky image again occasionally without an explanation is quite sneaky. Typhoon2013 (talk) 20:38, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * you literally reverted it with no explanation Fleur  De  Odile  21:38, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Ana image?
Hi Fleur. Since you are doing a great job with the TC images, I was wondering if you can create an Ana image similar to Hurricaneboys but without the line? I placed a temporary image there from Suomi NPP. Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:47, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

10U image
Despite not my image, it is pretty unfair to propose a deletion for an image you claim to be is "garbage". It is not your decision, and hence I opposed. Reasonings like that are a big yikes, and only stating "low quality image" for a deletion is kinda useless when you did not mention how it was low-quality. What about the other "low quality images"? Otherwise why propose a deletion when you can make it better? Please not that NO ONE's image is superior than others. Anyhow would like to thank for bringing that up too in the article talk page. Typhoon2013 (talk) 22:00, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I may like to add that cursing at confused people is extremely rude. I would suggest you make calmer edit summaries as opposed to using swear words. Also, calling every image "garbage" doesn’t help Wikipedia at all. Please be kinder here on Wikipedia.DachshundLover82 (talk) 01:50, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

March 2021
Your recent editing history at 2020 Pacific typhoon season shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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TC 08S
Regarding this edit, do you have a source that the JTWC classified the system with winds of 35 kt? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC) 35kt is a generic intensity for it since there is nothing from them Fleur  De  Odile  20:19, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Roma
Regardless of if we keep systems that formed between 80E & 90E in Aus or move them to the SWIO. Roma will still need to be made a part of the 1972-73 SWIO season, since it existed to the west of 80E. I would also suggest that you tone down your edit summaries asking me what "the hell are you on?" are not very civil, when all I have done is made a good-faith edit.Jason Rees (talk) 23:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Roma briefly existed west of 80E but there is no MFR BT entry on it in IBTrACS Fleur  De  Odile  23:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC) the same can be applied to Kristy '85 where it never left 80E (rule was changed next year) yet the season article lists a 55kt C2 Fleur  De  Odile  23:36, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * There isnt a BoM BT for Roma either, because of the lack of satellite imagery in those days. As for Kirsty 85, the data from IBTRACS shows that it was a Cat 2 inside Aus, before becoming a Cat 5 in between 80 and 90E. Personally I feel that we should be consistant for our readers sake and say that all systems between Africa and 90E are a part of the SWIO, 90 and 160 Aus and 160 and America SPAC. If not then it starts getting messy. Jason Rees (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Tropical cyclone 2
Hi. I want you could create a tropical cyclone track. It is tropical cyclone 2, of May, 11th-14th 1983. I have the track but I don't know how to plot it. It's the only tropical cyclone of southeast Pacific, east of 120ºW. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/gibbs/html/GOE-5/IR/1983-05-13-18 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luxin1989 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

2022 Atlantic Hurricane Season tracks
A few people over there wanted the seasonal map to be updated but the person who normally does it has been inactive. Could you tell us how you make these or make the summary? Mitch199811 (talk) 23:51, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The issue has been corrected. Mitch199811 (talk) 00:45, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

2022 Tropical Low Australian basin
Hi, just wondering why you removed my edits as they are from the same source that the other information is from the JTWC. In fact the mbar has now decreased to 1001 according to JTWC: https://www.metoc.navy.mil/jtwc/products/sh9423web.txt, also did I record the wrong wind speed or something because it says 22-28 knots estimated maximum wind speed. Also what is "F13 crap" I'm sorry if I did something wrong and I'll try to make better edits in the future. Hiyouboots (talk) 00:26, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

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Your recent editing history at Cyclones Judy and Kevin shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you do not violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.''Consensus at WikiProject Weather/Color RfC was clear and firm. You cannot override it just because WP:IDONTLIKEIT.'' Jasper Deng (talk) 02:15, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have to say that we shouldn't follow off-wiki wider TC Wikia and F13 community. They operate in different manner than us and has been the reason why WikiProject Tropical Cyclones got into ARBCom. I tried to integrate and adapt with these people, but they don't conform once it comes to consensus-making, not to mention protests from the older WPTC members pre-2013. MarioJump83 (talk) 06:17, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

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Extremely rate cyclone in South East Pacific.
Recently, I discovered several articles documenting the formation of an "extremely rare tropical cyclone" in the Southeast Pacific basin, near Peru, and unofficially named by the tracking agency as " Yaku". Should it be added to the South Pacific cyclone season? Vệ Thần - Talk  23:08, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

FleurDeOdile Off-wiki Canvassing & Cross-wiki Edit Warring: Arbitration request declined
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