User talk:Flex

Mateusz of Lemoland

 * Thank you Fl e x, Greetings from the Netherlands.
 * Mateusz of Lemoland (talk) 16:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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Earl Gates
I would like you to know that the "apparent non-notable" Article regarding Earl Gates, was unjustified on the basis that the person wrote the article himslef. He is a coworker of mine and I added him in becasue he technically is a civil servant, currently serving in the United States Army. I apologize for not knowing the current rules regarding notablity. Thank you for making me aware of thi issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.13.141.100 (talk • contribs)

RorikStrindberg
Flex, I have having difficulty finding out how to cite information on wikipedia. can you direct me to where i will learn more about wiki citation?(RorikStrindberg (talk) 04:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC))


 * Yes. See WP:CITE for the mechanics of how to do it and WP:V for what things need citations and for what sort of sources should be cited. I took the liberty of restoring the section you added to Cotton Mather and touching it up a bit. Probably the material on the trials from the sections above should be incorporated in your new section, or your section should be incorporated there. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 12:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, for the info. I am going to write a heck of a lot more. The project is for a class (University) and i am in the process of gathering all of the information that I would need to write an informative section on Cotton Mather. I had just got something up so that I could show that I was doing some work, aside from my reasurch. Thanks for the Help again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RorikStrindberg (talk • contribs) 00:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Intellego or intelligo?
Thank you for welcoming me. I know the difference between indicative and subjunctive. Please cfr. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/intelligo and http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/intellego. Maybe wiktionary needs some fixing, too.

By the way, http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lookup=intellegam&.submit=Analyze+Form&type=begin&lang=la&searchText=&options=Sort+Results+Alphabetically&formentry=1

Manderlay (talk) 06:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It does seem that there are two spellings of the verb, with the intelligo deemed "less correct" or "lesser" by classicists but nonetheless being in common use, particularly in Augustine (cf. some of his other works) and subsequent Latin (cf. "Crede, ut intelligas" and "Credo, ut intelligam" in Richard A. Muller, Dictionary of Latin and Greek Theological Terms, Grand Rapids: Baker, 1985). Perhaps it is a change from the classical spelling that was incorporated into Ecclesiastical Latin, though not eliminating the classical spelling (cf. Fides et ratio)? In any case, it seems clear that the intellig* is the original in the case we're discussing. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 13:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Father
Rather shows, like "pope" below, and the general condescending tone, the strong POV of your source, does it not? Johnbod (talk) 18:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * They are certainly ardent Protestants and passionate abstainers, but in this case, since they clearly delight in touting the successes of the temperance movement, their distinct point of view seems actually to add weight to the fact that Catholicism wasn't greatly or lastingly affected, unlike parts of Protestantism. My favorite quote from that article is when they say, "The temperance cause is so pure, its logic so complete, so utterly unanswerable, that it might have routed all its enemies had the contest gone on without interruption [viz., the Civil War]." I suppose it did regularly route its enemies up until the passage of the 21st amendment, but "utterly unanswerable"? --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 19:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Orthodoxy and alcohol
Phiddipus and the other users cover the topic well. Moderation is (obviously, in line with scripture) always encouraged, but drinking itself is not frowned upon. There are little traditions here and there which involve alcoholic drinks.

This article contains a modern treatment of alcoholism and addiction, but briefly elaborates on the history of moderation and the views of the church (and cites a canon or two concerning priestly behavior). It's difficult to find direct treatments on the subject, because most sermons and encyclicals are devoted towards a general abstinence from sin (drunkeness being considered among those). The Orthodox Christian information center touches on the subject here where it notes the prohibition against festivities on the eve of a holy day (which includes the normal Sunday) and relates a Tsar's prohibition against drunkenness and the sale of wine on Sundays. This identifies drunkenness amongst the mortal sins (see the footnote). This is what I've come up with from a quick search. I'll contact my priest and see if there is anything more official or historical on the matter, and if there are any books which can be referenced. I hope that this may have been of some help for now.--C.Logan (talk) 22:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Great welcome?
Thanks for sending me the welcome package. I notice you also promptly reverted the one edit I did make. You didn't give me much reason to stay did you? Robint49 (talk) 05:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Os Guinness
He isn't notable at all. I think this entire article should be deleted. QuirkyAndSuch (talk) 12:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I think he'd pass the notability guidelines fairly easily, but there certainly are other problems with the article, which I've tagged appropriately. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 15:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Speahlman
Flex, as you may have noticed, I joined the CalvinismProject some time ago. At the moment, I'm having problems with getting the draft of an article on "Tolerance and Intolerance in the History of Protestantism" accepted. Could you help? I would be very grateful. I think the topic is worth being written about in Wikipedia. The draft is in my Sandbox. Speahlman (talk) 19:15, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Catholic view on bible inpiration
The piece that I deleted is quoting as its source the encyclical Providentissimus Deus, from Leo XIII, 1893. (There's a boxed quote also from Vatican I, but the primary quote is Providentissimus Deus). This represents a period in Church history when Leo was attempting to reject all modernity - you'll recall the famous quote to the effect that the Church has no need to accommodate itself to the modern world. The Church never directly disavows any encyclical, but it can come awfully close. It did this in 1943 with the encyclical Divino Afflante Spiritu of Pius XII, which effectively reversed Leo's directives on the subject of biblical scholarship and, inevitably, biblical inspiration. Divino Afflante says in effect that the bible has many authors and that Catholic scholars should study the times in which they lived and the context in which they wrote - a far cry from Prov.'s insistence on the purely divine origins of scripture. As I mention, the Vatican never expressly contradicts earlier pronouncements, and so the language of Afflante is a little obscure - it speaks of "the biblical author," for example, leaving open the possibility that there is but one author - but in the context of the times (1943) it was clearly intended as a move beyond Leo's obscurantism. So far as I know, there's been no subsequent encyclical on the subject, and Afflenate represents the Church's current stance on the issue. (You're free to revert my deletion if you wish, I don't want to get involved in an edit war over this minor matter) PiCo (talk) 16:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleted link
Orenwhite (talk) 13:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC) Hi Flex, is there any special reason you have removed the external link i've added (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biblical_theology&oldid=215465326) which is a free bible dictionary? do you find it unrelated to the subject? (becuase i really do


 * It is not relevant. The subject of Biblical theology is not an article about theology according to the Bible in the common sense of those words; rather it is a method of study of the progressive history of revelation in the Bible. The discipline is so named for historical reasons, and the name is unfortunately ambiguous. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 13:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Greg Bahnsen
Hi, thank you for providing a reference. I'm particularly interested in the usage of the term "British Isles" in this article. Can you please provide references to show that Greg visited the "British Isles" as opposed to perhaps just "Great Britain" or "Ireland". Thank you. --Bardcom (talk) 17:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The source supports using "British Isles," and I don't have time right now to do more digging. Do you challenge the reliability of the source? --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 16:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi - short answer is I challenge the use of the term "British Isles" - it has probably been used in a context that implies that British Isles = Britain/UK (which is not the same thing). I've emailed the author and the response so far is I do know he spoke in Russia. And somewhere in Britian. I'm still researching though and I hope to find more info.  So far, only a visit to Scotland can be confirmed. --Bardcom (talk) 23:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

knetknight's edits
Flex, thanks for the info. I appreciate your kind correction and informative summary of relevant links to help me contribute in accordance with WP guidelines. I'll read them carefully and proceed from there.

--Stephen, AKA knetknight (talk) 15:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

BTW, Is it appropriate for me to remove your comments from my talk page after I've processed them? I'm not at all bothered by them, just want to keep things clean and figured people could see'em in the page's history if they just really wanted to... not that I seriously think anyone's gonna give a tiddly-wink about my talk page's history but, hey, ya never know.

--Stephen, AKA knetknight (talk) 16:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You may delete old discussions from your talk page, though general practice is to archive them. See WP:TPG. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 16:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Lord Faulkner
I provided his autobiography, Memoirs of a Statesman, as a reference. He makes numerous allusions to it there; how glad he was to see apple juice, rather than orange and an amusing incident in which he was almost photographed holding a bottle of mead after the Darlington Conference. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 18:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Link
I wasn't advertising anything, I have no connection with the Bible Presbyterian Church (about which I had been reading on Wikipedia) or the pictures - I merely thought they showed the impressive scale of McIntire's church building and the startling emphasis given by the Bible text at the front "Be Ye Separate". I used to enjoy editing on Wikipedia 2 or 3 years back, it was a serendipitous place where anyone could edit - now it's like a university. Now on the odd occasions that I contribute something it often gets "vandalised" by the "know-it-alls" :-( Editing has become only available for the anoraks for whom it is a full time occupation and therefore know how to follow the numerous new "rules" and avoid being reverted.  What a sad end for an enjoyable project!  --PeterR (talk) 16:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The point is, the link is not directly relevant in that article. We can't go putting everyone's church photos under their denomination's pages and the like, or the Wikipedia would cease being an encyclopedia and would become a directory of links somehow related to a given topic. I'm also sorry for your negative experience with "know-it-alls" and the rules, but you must admit that Wikipedia does need some rules. One needn't master all of them (I certainly haven't) to contribute meaningfully. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 17:54, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Names
You can revert them back if you think the other version is better. If you do, make the fullname a redirect back to the truncated name. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Mary merger
I'm not sure what I think, either for or against the proposal. Each of the articles seems to be written in a kind of thesis style, rather than Wikipedia style. They may be mergeable, but I think it would be a challenge. &mdash; Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 22:19, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Too many quotes
As mentioned before, your article on alcohol article has strong points and shortcomings. It contains too many quotations for an encyclopedic entry. I refer especially to sentences with up to 10 quotes. I am surprised that you have similar problems with the Luther article, which, I might emphasize, has far less quotations per sentence the the alcohol article. I am sure, all this can be worked out. Nothing personal! --Ambrosius007 (talk) 14:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Headings
Well, I really don't care about headings that much. It probably looked better to me that way, but I am not one to dig into deatils of Wikimanuals on section titles. If you think yours are more suitable, please feel free to change them back. No big deal really.

By the way, I was just about to make changes to Roman Catholic Mariology. Could you please make your changes in 1 hour from now, so you can fix all the headings the right way if you like and we will not get locked out for edit over-writes. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 16:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Martin Luther's views on Mary
Thank you, Flex, for inviting me to take a look at this article. I will do some work on it over the next two days as I find time. Finding time is not difficult because I love editing on WP. BTW, I hope all is well with you and yours. Kindest regards!--Drboisclair (talk) 18:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfounded
I have responded at Talk:Christ Church (Moscow, Idaho) --Andrew from NC (talk) 19:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Troubles with 69.232.79.247
Hi Flex -

I am having troubles with a user (69.232.79.247) who will not communicate via talk pages or on the talk pages of articles he changes. He continuously changes the number of species at Xenotilapia but will not respond to requests to discuss the matter. I reported the user at Admin intervention against vandalism -- but was told this was a content dispute I should try and discuss to reach a consensus. I would be more than happy to discuss the issue with this user and will happily accept the change if the user in question can proviede a valid reference for their changes. They, however, won't respond. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the matter given you've dealt with this user before @ User_talk:69.232.79.247. Thanks in advance, MidgleyDJ (talk) 02:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I've had the same problem (s/he wouldn't respond on talk pages or elsewhere), but in my case, the content change was in violation of WP:BLP. What do you think of the user's contributions to articles on specific species (e.g., this one)? --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 12:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

That's the odd thing. This user does know seem to have some knowledge of fish (see: this) and a good portion of his changes are constructive. I do not understand why he will not communicate (he's been asked many, many times). Fishbase is used as the taxonomy tool of choice (when no other species lists etc or review papers in fish taxonomy are available that supersede it). In this case, Fishbase says "17 species" I don't have a reference to contradict this -- and would be happy to accept one if it's available). MidgleyDJ (talk) 20:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's possible that the user doesn't get notified when leaving messages on his/her talk page. There was a bug in the Wiki software to that effect, and I'm not sure if it's been fixed. (Also, I suppose if it's a shared address, it's possible that someone else has cleared the message notifications without his/her knowledge.) You could try adding a tag to one of these changes and see what happens. After a suitable amount of wait time, it seems like you could revert to the Fishbased version if not source is added. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 21:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Flex, Thanks. I'll try that. How long should I leave the tag in place? MidgleyDJ (talk) 22:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd be generous. Say a month? Of course, if s/he edits the article in between, particularly the place(s) with the tag(s), then you could take the next step. Also leave messages on the article talk page and the user talk page to explain the tags and ask for references. Then if the anon refuses to cooperate, you'll have the high ground from which to argue. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 23:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Flex - The user has made the change again (no reference). Given the current reference doesn't reflect that number I've removed it from the article. I've done as you've suggested and asked for a suitable reference? Thanks for your help, MidgleyDJ (talk) 00:15, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Flex - I note that this user has returned and made undiscussed edits to the Greg_Bahnsen article to the point where they (he, I think based on their one registered username) have been blocked. In my experience with this user when he becomes unblocked he will likely return and continue to make the same changes without discussion. I think it's probably sensible to return the verifiable number of Xenotilapia species (and their appropriate reference) to the article? Does this sound ok? MidgleyDJ (talk) 20:06, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Your prediction of the user's future actions is not unlikely, but s/he was blocked for wholly different reasons (repeated BLP violations) than editing the fish articles without discussion. You might consider leaving the ed statement in there for a bit to see if someone else comes up with something or if s/he returns after the block to provide a source. As a hedge, you could put both of them in (e.g., "some sources say m species,[1] others say n.[citation needed]"). I think you'll have the best position long-term in a dispute or intervention if you don't simply revert. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 02:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. Thanks again for the advice, MidgleyDJ (talk) 07:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Flex -- I note this user continues to vandalise Greg Bahnsen, he's also turned his attention now to Teleocichla where he adds an addition "and X number of undescribed species" repeatedly and without discussion ala his David Arnold addition. Unlike the previous problem with Xenotilapia this is a clear breach of WP:OR (as there may be 5, 6 or 47 undescribed species for any given genus -- given they are undescribed!). I'd have though this user would qualify for longer bans given their track record and block evasion. MidgleyDJ (talk) 23:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * S/he has been blocked again. Obviously, s/he has access to multiple addresses, so blocking the intransigent user's access permanently is more difficult (and these are irksome but not grievous offenses anyway). If the problem is isolated to an article or two, you can request semi-protection of the page, which will prohibit anons from editing them and may ease, though perhaps not solve, the problem (cf. ). --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 00:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

re Mergers of Marian articles
Hello, Flex, you do not need to make any explanations about your desire to streamline these articles. You and I are on the same page. I posted on Ambrosius's talk page that I didn't like the practice of merging that some editors pursue like the guy on the Martin Luther article, who insisted on merging the articles on Luther's father and mother. I see WP as both a Macropedia and a Micropedia: having short articles and long articles. I think that your concern is in not duplicating material: I think that there is the danger now as I looked at Protestant views of Mary of duplicating material in the general article that one finds in the particular articles. I support whatever you propose as I did on the talk page. I appreciate your invitations to me to work on these articles, and I also appreciate your knowledge about WP principles that should be followed. I guess, that if I would take the time to read them more extensively I would not make so many mistakes. Please consider me a good friend and fellow editor.--Drboisclair (talk) 00:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for recommending that book about Mary. I may get it from Amazon.com. Material from that book may be useful for WP.--Drboisclair (talk) 00:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Christianity WikiProject Newsletter - July 2008
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Bahnsen
I think it is quite fare to mention [the name of] the person who committed adultery with Greg Bahnsen's wife, and it seems completely reasonable to make mention of it. I think you already know this, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.138.240.15 (talk) 23:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree. A name, unlike perhaps the adulterer's status as a fellow church member, has no manifest relevance to Bahnsen, which is the subject of the article. Moreover, it has no source, and such a controversial claim requires one (see WP:V and WP:BLP). For the record, I have no dog in this fight -- I didn't know Bahnsen, I don't know anyone in his former church, I don't know the adulterer, etc. It is purely that this fact is irrelevant and in violation of policy. Also, your persistence makes it appear that you have some grudge against the adulterer, and such overt bias has no place here (see WP:NPOV). --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 01:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for clarifying at my talk page as I requested. I see that you are correct, a policy does state this explicitly and it does make sense. I also appreciate that you've left the current redlink in place. I'll fill it in today.

I was surprised that the Book Review policy is against tables of contents, though the way it puts it, it would appear that there is plenty of room for common sense exceptions. Festschriften and other collections of essays naturally lend themselves to some concise system of organizing the information. Run-of-the-mill book reviews don't need to specify different authors for different chapters! ;)

In the current case, it's easy to follow the letter of the law and expand the material to full text, since the structure of the total work is very clear. Additionally, the table can also be turned neatly into a collapsing nav tool. Ultimately, all the material in the table will need to be in the article, simply for the sake of acknowledgement and referencing.

You have a very detailed knowledge of specifics of policy, which is a helpful resource to have around, thanks. Since policy regularly explicitly admits exceptions on the basis of clarity of content we may yet find ourselves needing to discuss some issue in more detail, but I'm content to accept the points you've raised so far, especially as they simply invite more material to be included. Alastair Haines (talk) 02:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

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Headings on Mariology
Hi, I am working on reducing the term Mariology on the headings of the Mariology page, but I am trying to do that so they still telegram the message e.g. just the word "Nature" as a heading was not that clear to me as a reader. It may take a week or so to think of good headings. You were right that there were too many of them, but I think a middle ground to it can probably be found. Cheers History2007 (talk) 11:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have now reduced the use of Mariology in the headings, based on your suggestion. Cheers History2007 (talk) 17:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Anniversary of John Calvin
Hi Flex, As you know, I have been working on improving the biographies of various characters of the Reformation (Knox, Zwingli, Cranmer, and now working on Martin Bucer) to FA status. Someone reminded me, however, that the 500th anniversary of John Calvin's birth is coming up next year. This got me interested in taking up this project. I noticed that you were the major editor of the article taking the article to GA. Would you mind if I try to take the article to FA? I should mention that I'd like to expand the biography and merge the Reformed Geneva section into the Biography section. I intend to use modern sources for the rewrite. The Thoughts and Writings sections would be left intact and I would probably add a Legacy section. If you have plans on Calvin, however, I would gladly just go back to working on Bucer and other reformers. Just drop me a note on my talk page. --RelHistBuff (talk) 09:51, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I would be delighted to have you rewrite the article. Let me know how I can help. (BTW, I'm technically on a Wikibreak right now, so email me if it's urgent.) --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 18:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I have to do some research so it might take me a while to get started. The university library here has a lot of high quality sources (McGrath, Bouwsma, McKim, Parker,...). After I get some subsections drafted, I will drop a note asking for your feedback. --RelHistBuff (talk) 14:18, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Gunton discussion
Please see this. Gunton82 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 16:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC).

www.book-academy.co.uk- external links on various articles
Dear Flex

I have not visited Wikipedia in some time but noticed on a recent visit that external links that I had placed on various articles on the leading Puritans had been removed by MER-C. I noticed that you had appealed to him to reinstate some of these, but he was convinced that these links were spam and therefore they were left omitted.

I wrote to him recently on his talk page and it appears that his main objection was that I was the one who had placed them there and that in his mind (irrespective of how relevant those links were) it constitutes a conflict of interest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MER-C#external_links_to_www.book-academy.co.uk).

Since I am not allowed to reinstate the links, can you help in this?

Sadly, in his zeal he has also removed the link from the "Spurgeon" article, even though I had nothing to do with placing the external link on that article, and since there is no other site known to me which gives access to so many of Spurgeon recommended commentaries I do feel that its removal is rather sad.

The puritan links that were removed are all highlighted at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam/LinkReports/book-academy.co.uk

If you can do anything to help, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks

SC80.42.211.63 (talk) 22:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

sock puppet block
Why have you blocked my user profile? Tweedledum and Tweedledee (talk) 17:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you have the wrong person. I am not an administrator and cannot block anyone. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 00:07, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Peer Review
Hello. Just wanted to let you know that I submitted Calvin to PR. I would appreciate it if you can take a look at the article so far and place your comments on the PR. I also have a question. You had uploaded John Calvin - Young.jpg and I was wondering how did you know that this is a portrait of Calvin when he was young. I didn't note that in the caption because I had no source to support that statement. If you have the source, then we could state that the painting is a portrait of Calvin when he was young and add a citation. --RelHistBuff (talk) 07:28, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I did a quick search, and I don't know where "young" came from for that picture. I do note that the source image I indicated in the image details is flipped relative to the one in the article (but the faded writing appears to be backwards, so I think the WP's version may be right). I also see that Titian has a painting of Calvin that looks quite different than the more common ones. Perhaps that would be worth including. I'll try to make some PR comments later. I am on WP vacation after all. :-) --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 15:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * OK. You can take your time on the PR as I will not likely put it on the FAC queue until the new year. Real life takes priority, of course! --RelHistBuff (talk) 16:11, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

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Appositives
Thanks for the barnstar, but I think we should wait until someone supports the article! I might need your help on the commas. I am not sure of several of these, e.g., "one of its members, Ami Perrin," "a widow, Idelette de Bure," "the leading reformers of Strasbourg, Martin Bucer and Wolfgang Capito," "his predecessors, Philipp Melanchthon, Heinrich Bullinger, and Martin Bucer," They all seem to be non-restrictive and so they should not have delimiting commas. But then the sentence structure looks awfully strange. --RelHistBuff (talk) 23:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that it sometimes looks weird. Let's focus on the cases where it doesn't and worry about the tricky ones later, or we could restructure sentences to remove the oddness in the others. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 19:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Venus
With respect, I consider Venus relevant to Edward's life and our understanding of him, not just "an interesting but unrelated factoid." Also, the article is currently rather sketchy, and the info about Venus is one of many things I've learned about Edwards' family that I intended to insert. Regards,Rich (talk) 05:56, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Rich (talk) 06:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * See Talk:Jonathan_Edwards_(theologian). --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 15:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I replied to your reply on talk page.Rich (talk) 06:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

New topics
Is it wise to add new material during the FAC phase? I am referring to the last paragraph of the Legacy section and the last sentence of the lead section. I don't necessarily disagree with them, but there is already enough material to discuss and I think new topics will simply extend FAC discussions. Could you please reconsider and then we can discuss the additions on the talk page after FAC? --RelHistBuff (talk) 09:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and temporarily removed it. --RelHistBuff (talk) 12:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The reason I added it was because one of the FA commenters (rightly, IMHO) noted that Calvin is not set in a broader historical context, and my additions were an attempt to do that, albeit briefly. Those are common assertions about his influence on Western Civ. Here's a summary article from a popular-level magazine describing Calvin which ends with a description of his lasting legacy in the West: "Calvin finally wore out in 1564. But his influence has not. Outside the church, his ideas have been blamed for and credited with (depending on your view) the rise of capitalism, individualism, and democracy. In the church, he has been a major influence on leading figures such as evangelist George Whitefield and theologian Karl Barth, as well as entire movements, such as Puritanism." There are plenty of scholarly books and articles on the topic, too, which is to say that I think the information I added was not controversial but is widely accepted by historians and political scientists. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 15:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * As I said, I don't necessarily disagree with them. However, it would be best that we hear what Ealdgyth wants specifically and respond to that. The FAC process can be rather precarious. --RelHistBuff (talk) 16:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Jonathan Edwards and the slave Venus
Hi Flex, I've replied to your post of last month on the talk page. Regards, Rich (talk) 18:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Caracas 2000
The name was changed, and the autonomy too.

Martin Bucer up for Featured Article Review
I just wanted to let you know that you can vote for or against Martin Bucer being the featured article at Featured_article_candidates/Martin_Bucer. Thanks! --Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Help with a Bio
Hi Flex. I know you've been particularly good at helping to settle controversial biographies in the past. Could use some help over at this page John_L._Brownlee. A politician's supporters keep deleting references to negative public information...

Thx. Cadwallader (talk) 20:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

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Jonathan Edwards, Venus
I replied on the talk page. Best, Rich Peterson75.45.106.99 (talk) 05:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

More Jonathan Edwards
Hi I was interrupted in my last reply by the library system and had to save without finishing.I resumed with "...piecemeal..." and I thankyou for the reply you already made, and apologize for any inconvenience.Rich (talk) 08:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Either/Or
I have conducted a reassessment of this article's GA status. I have placed the reassessment on hold as there are some points to be addressed at Talk:Either/Or/GA1. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Alcohol in the Bible
Alcohol in the Bible

I put this up as a Featured Article candidate, but someone thought I should do a peer review first. Arlen22 (talk) 15:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

How do I do that? Arlen22 (talk) 16:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for thinking so highly of the article. Peer reviews can be sought at WP:PR. However, I think some of the recent revisions should be undone or done differently. On the whole, I prefer this version. Eventually, I'll get around to reworking it, but I haven't had time lately.


 * Also, I had it peer reviewed once and tried to get it to FAC twice without success, as you can see in the article milestones at the top of the talk page. Part of the problem is that it references the primary source of the Bible extensively, which it must do given the article topic but which some take to be a gross violation of WP:PSTS. How can that be done more neutrally than it already is? I honestly don't know.


 * Also, the hyper-footnoting, which was partly in reaction to people (mostly prohibitionists) demanding citations for various things, has been declared to be problematic. Some of it could be fixed by formatting changes -- convert [1][2][3] to [1] with a bulleted list in the footnote like Islam does, but that has its own problems when it comes to reusing a quote/footnote. Another approach is simply to cut out many of the footnote quotes/notes, but I tend to want to keep most of them. Perhaps some could be moved to Wikiquote? --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 19:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I can see that this article would create problems. Prohibitionism only exist because we don't use wine as a common drink any more. In other words, like water or milk. Arlen22 (talk) 18:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - July 2009
John Carter (talk) 19:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Christianity newsletter

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GA Reassessment of Alcohol in the Bible
Hello I have done a GA Reassessment of the Alcohol in the Bible article as part of the GA Sweeps project. My reassessment can be found here. I have found that the article does not meet the current GA Criteria and as such I have placed it on hold for one week pending work. I am notifying you as the primary editor of this in the hopes that an editor will come forth to work on the article. I see from a previous entry on your talk page you are familiar with many of the concerns regarding this article. Should you have questions please contact me at my talk page. H1nkles (talk) 20:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Question
First, I again apologize if my editing of Alcohol in the Bible was inconsiderate of the work you've put into it.

Second, are you Calvinist? If so, I'd like to ask you about something I read in a magazine from Calvin Theological Seminary. Just curious about Calvinist/Catholic povs. Thanks! carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

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Tenth Presbyterian Church
I've removed your (very old) "Laundry" tag from the article: the list looks encyclopedic to me. Feel free to revert me if you really think that I'm wrong. Smallbones (talk) 14:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

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Ichthus: January 2012
 In this issue...

- Ichthus is the newsletter of Christianity on Wikipedia &bull; It is published by WikiProject Christianity For submissions contact the Newsroom &bull; To unsubscribe add yourself to the list here
 * From the Editor
 * What are You doing For Lent?
 * Fun and Exciting Contest Launched
 * Spotlight on WikiProject Catholicism

Ichthus: May 2012


From the Editor
This month marks the observation of Pentecost, one of the most important feast of the Christian liturgical year. It is our hope here that all of you, regardless of your religious affiliation (if any), find that the holiday, and its accompanying activities, an enjoyable and beneficial experience. We also hope that this "Birthday of the Church" is one which gives you the same joy as the birthday of yourself or your loved ones.

Ichthus is the successor to the long running WikiProject Christianity newsletter, run under the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department. As such, you will continue to see information about our latest featured and good articles, DYKs, as well as new members who have joined our project. You might also see links to Christianity related news from the mainstream media! With that, I wish you all happy reading!

John Carter, Asst. Editor

P.S. Please [ click here] to add the new Christianity-related topics Noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

Help Bring Wikipe-tan "into the fold"
As many of you may know, our unofficial mascot, dear Wikipe-tan, hasn't yet indicated any particular beliefs. However, yes, as we all know, ahem, some people might object to our beloved mascot running around in a French maid outfit. People do talk, you know. ;) If anyone might be able to develop an image of the dear lady in a image more, well, "Christian," I would like to see perhaps a vote for next month as to which, if any, image of the dear girl we might make our own unofficial mascot. Please post your images here.

By John Carter

Christianity in other wikis
As many of you might now, there are a large number of other Wikimedia Foundation projects, including WikiSource, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, WikiQuote, and others. I certainly believe that Wikibooks and Wikiquote might be among the more directly relevant sister projects. If any of you can think of any particular efforts in these other projects which you think would benefit from more input, please let us know here, so we can help spread the word around.

By John Carter

Spotlight on the Outreach department
Ichthus will spotlight a different subproject or workgroup of WikiProject Christianity. This edition will spotlight on our vital Outreach department. This comparatively small, but vital, project unit is dedicated to welcoming new editors to Wikipedia and the Christianity related content, and to providing information to the various project members, in forms like this newsletter.

The scope of articles with which this group deals is truly enormous, and, given the wide variety of material with which we deal, we would very much welcome the input of more individuals, particularly individuals who are particularly knowledgeable of the less well-known and less frequently monitored articles related to Christianity.

Speaking personally, I would be very, very gratified if we were to have this become a very, very large and active unit, with members from the broad spectrum of Christian beliefs, practices, and groups. The broader the spectrum and areas of expertise of members we have, the better we will be able to help manage the content. Please consider whether you believe you might be able to contribute in this vital area.

By John Carter

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Ichthus: June 2012


Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 331 active members. We would like to welcome User:Sanju87, User:Psalm84, User:Zegron, User:Jargon777, User:Calu2000, User:Gilderien, User:Ronallenus, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know what you think of the new departments, and if there are any other suggestions for departments you would like to see. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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Church of the month
by Berthold Werner Saint Catherine's Monastery, Mount Sinai

Vote for the project mascot
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By John Carter

DYK

 * ...that Anna of Kashin, a Russian medieval princess, was twice canonized as a holy protectress of women who suffer the loss of relatives?

Calendar
Thie coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

Featured content and GA report
Alec Douglas-Home recently achieved FA status. This picture, in the Church of the Month section, was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report
Wikisource currently has many old texts available, most of them in the public domain. This is a potentially very valuable source for several things, including for instance links to Biblical verses, because we know that it will, basically, be around as long as we are.

By user:John Carter with inspiration from History2007

Christian art
This section would include a rather large image of a specific work of art, with a link to the most directly relevant article. Suggestion: Resurrection of Christ, an English 15th century Nottingham alabaster. Groups of painted relief panels were sold via dealers to churches on a budget, who had wood frameworks made to hold them locally. From a huge new donation of images from the Walters Art Museum to Commons, see By Johnbod

Spotlight
A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at WikiProject Christian history. Also, a group specifically devoted to the Mennonites and other Anabaptists is now up and running at WikiProject Christianity/Anabaptist work group. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

I believe
... in the statements contained in the Nicene Creed. I believe that the Bible is one of the two defining bases for belief. The other is the Sacred tradition, which provides us with means of interpreting the Scriptures, as well as some teachings which have been handed on by God outside of the scriptures. I believe that the Magisterium has been empowered to fill this interpretative function. I believe that clerical celibacy is a rule that should generally be followed. I am a member of the Catholic Church.

By John Carter

Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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Ichthus: July 2012
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 336 active members. We would like to welcome User:Emilymadcat, User:Toa Nidhiki05, User:DonutGuy, and User:RCNesland, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know what you think of the new departments, and if there are any other suggestions for departments you would like to see. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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Church of the month by User:JaGa Mission Santa Clara de Asis

Vote for the project mascot We had last month asked our members to help "bring into the fold" Wikipe-tan as the project's mascot. Voting will take place this month for which image we should adopt at WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/Wikipe-tan. Please take a moment to review the images and vote for whichever is your favorite, or, if you so prefer, suggest an additional one.

By John Carter

Calendar Thie coming month (mid-July through mid-September) includes days dedicated to the honor of Mary Magdalene, James, son of Zebedee, Ignatius Loyola, Saint Dominic, Joseph of Arimathea, and the Transfiguration of Jesus.

Featured content and GA report Grade I listed churches in Cheshire was recently promoted to Featured List status. This picture was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Bartolome de las Casas and Edmund the Martyr were promoted to GA level this past month. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report Wikibooks welcomes the development of textbooks of all kinds, children's books, recipes, and other material. It currently has just under 2500 books, including several Wikijunior books for the 12 and under population. There is, at present, not even a book on Christianity. Anyone interested in helping develop such a textbook is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

Christian art

The portrait of Sir Thomas More by Hans Holbein the Younger. By John Carter

Spotlight A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at WikiProject Christian history. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

I believe ... in the tradition of Thomas the Apostle, Mar Addai, and Saint Bartholomew. I believe that Jesus had two essences (or natures), human and divine, unmingled, that are everlastingly united in one personality. I am a member of the Assyrian Church of the East.

By John Carter

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Ichthus is the newsletter of Christianity on Wikipedia &bull; It is published by WikiProject Christianity For submissions contact the Newsroom &bull; To unsubscribe add yourself to the list here EdwardsBot (talk) 15:38, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity August 2012 newsletter
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 341 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:David_FLXD, User:Alexsbecker, User:Penguin 236, User:Gugi001, User:John D. Rockerduck, and User:Margaret9mary. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please [ click here] to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By John Carter

Church of the month by User:Diliff Frauenkirche (Church of Our Blessed Lady) in Munich, taken from the tower of St. Peter's Church

Contest of the month We currently have a remarkable lack of Wikipedia-Books. Right now, Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. As biographies are often a bit easier, this month we are choosing two biographies: Karl Behm, which has yet to be started, and the currently Stub-class article Nerses IV the Gracious. A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.

Calendar Thie coming month (mid-August through mid-September) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Bartholomew the Apostle, Nativity of Mary, and the Exaltation of the Cross.

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, William de Chesney (sheriff), Knights of Columbus, and  Angelus Silesius were promoted to GA level. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report Wikinews is our sister site for developing news stories. Several events relating to Christianity, like the installation of bishops for instance, do not necessarily merit extensive coverage in wikipedia encyclopedic articles, but can and easily could be covered at greater length in a news article format. Given the number of significant news events that relate to religion, including claims of miracles, assignment of bishops and other religious leaders, church conferences, and other events, this site provides an excellent opportunity to provide in-depth coverage of current events at greater length than wikipedia.

Christian art

Christ Crucified by Diego Velazquez.

Spotlight One of our newer editors, User:David_FLXD, has recently gone through much of our content related to Methodism and assessed it. We are very grateful for his efforts, and that of all the editors who have had a role in developing that content. We have every reason to believe that this will make it significantly easier for the Methodism work group to create and develop content relevant to Methodism. To help that along, we certainly encourage everyone to do what they can to help David and the other Methodism editors to bring the content relevant to their tradition to the highest possible level of quality.

I believe ... in the Holy Trinity, the sacraments of Baptism and Holy Communion, the Arminian conception of free will through God's prevenient grace, and the regular renewal of the individual's covenant with God. I am a Methodist.

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WikiProject Christianity September 2012 newsletter
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 344 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Floating Boat, User:Dewey420, and User:Jpacobb. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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Church of the month by User:Diliff The Chapel of Keble College, Oxford

Contest of the month We currently have a remarkable lack of Wikipedia-Books. Right now, Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. Last month's challenge articles were Karl Beth and Nerses IV the Gracious. Both articles are currently candidates for the DYK section of the main page. This month's challenge articles are the Stub-class article James Hastings and the not yet started Rudolf Sohm, A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.

Calendar Thie coming month (mid-September through mid-October) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of the Martyrs of Korea, Saint Matthew, Vincent de Paul, Michaelmas, Saint Jerome, Theresa of Lisieux, the Feast of the Guardian Angels, Francis of Assisi, Our Lady of the Rosary, and Teresa of Avila.

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, Albertus Soegijapranata, and Reginald Heber were promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Greater Manchester was promoted to Featured List, and Jackie Hudson, Joyce Kilmer, Divine command theory, Bosa of York and Argument from morality were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Church of Saint Benoit, Istanbul, All Saints Church, Hollingbourne, Neustädter Kirche, Hannover, St Mary's Church, Kirkby Lonsdale, Albert Ndongmo, If We Are the Body, List of places of worship in Tonbridge and Malling, Kulubnarti church, All Saints Church, Ulcombe, Val-Saint-Lambert Abbey, Igny Abbey, Church of the Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel, Brăila, Places of Worship Registration Act 1855, Collegiate Church of San Gimignano, and St Matthew's Church, Burnley. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Wikimedia Foundation report As some of you may have seen, the Simple English Wikipedia has been experiencing some difficulties lately. This particular entity could be of great value to several individuals who are trying to learn English. As some of you who do speak foreign languages know, one of the most easily available, and, in general, useful learning aids for people is a text they know already, which allows them to focus on the specific words of the new language. Various recorded readings and translations of the Bible are among the best examples of this. Any efforts to try to enhance this vital means of informing a large segment of our readership is more than welcome. People interested in helping develop it are encouraged to leave a note regarding their specific articles of interest at the Christianity noticeboard. It would be wonderful if we could report some significant contributions to this sister site next month. And, of course, if we do have something to report, those involved would receive our greatest thanks.

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The Guardian Angel by Pietro da Cortona.

Spotlight WikiProject Calvinism is one of our more important subprojects. It is specifically devoted to developing content relating to the Calvinist tradition, and the primary point for development of content relating to the Pilgrims, Presbyterians, Reformed churches, Congregational church, Reformed Baptists, and Low church. We definitely encourage everyone to do what they can to help this project develop the content relating to this extremely important Christian tradition.

I believe ... that human nature is insufficient for salvation, and the grace of God is required to do so. I believe that God has preordained who will and will not achieve salvation. I believe that Jesus's atonement was sufficient for the purposes for which it was done. I believe that God's grace is of such power that it can overcome any person's resistance. I believe that those whom God has chosen for salvation will, by the undeniable power of God, persevere in God's grace. I am a Calvinist.

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WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 347 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Dplcrnj, User:Danmuz, User:Zigzig20s, and User:Jasonasosa. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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Church of the month by User:Taxiarchos228, recently promoted to Featured Image St. Paul's Church, Basel

Contest of the month For the upcoming month, the contest will be to develop content related to the Christmas season, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard.

One of last month's challenge articles, Rudolf Sohm, has been substantially developed by User:Jack1956 and User:StAnselm. Our deepest thanks to both of them!!

Calendar Thie coming month (mid-October through mid-November) includes All Saints' Day and All Souls' Day and major commemorations dedicated to the honor of the Ignatius of Antioch, Luke the Evangelist, Simon the Canaanite, Saint Jude, the dedication of the Lateran Basilica, the beginning of the Nativity Fast, James of Jerusalem, Reformation Day, and others.

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, Augustinian theodicy by User:ItsZippy was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Merseyside by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The images in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. John Wheelwright by User:Sarnold17, Christmas Party (The Office) by User:Gen. Quon and If We Are the Body by User:Toa Nidhiki05, were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Cathedral of Saint Demetrius, Craiova, by User:Biruitorul, Nerses IV the Gracious by User:John Carter, Church of St Candida and Holy Cross by User:BarretB, St Laurence's Church, Morland by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Mary's Church, Longfleet by User:Bermicourt, Chor von St. Bonifatius by User:Gerda Arendt, St Andrew's Church, Penrith by User:Peter I. Vardy, Holy Rosary Cathedral (Vancouver) by User:Bloom6132, Sacred Heart Cathedral (Kamloops) by User:Bloom6132, St Columba's Church, Warcop by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Oswald's Church, Ravenstonedale by User:Peter I. Vardy, and W. E. Biederwolf by User:John Foxe. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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Portrait of John Henry Newman by Sir John Everett Millais. This image was promoted this past month to FM by the work of User:Spongie555. Thank you, Spongie! Spotlight WikiProject Holidays/Christmas task force is the group whose purpose is to help develop the content related to the Christmas season, including Advent, New Year's, and related holidays. As many of us know, in several parts of the world, including the United States, the Christmas season is not only the time of one of the greatest holidays of the Christian liturgical year, but it is also the "make or break" time for many retailers, whose profitability for the year often depends on their success in this time of the giving of sometimes significantly expensive gifts. In other parts of the world, the winter solstice period and sometimes specifically Christmas itself means something that might surprise many Christians, like the Christmas in Japan, where Christmas is one of the times hotels receive the greatest number of, often unmarried, couples staying there for the night. The solstice season is also significant to several other religions. Many of these days are also legal holidays in several places. In Belarus, for instance, both the Western and Eastern Christmas commemorations are legal holidays. We would certainly welcome the members of this project to donate some of their time and talents in the upcoming months to improving this significant content.

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WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 349 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Hayayika and User:Pikachu Bros.. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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Church of the month Saint-Augustin, Paris by User:Saffron Blaze Recently promoted to Featured Image. Great work!

Contest of the month For the upcoming month, the contest will continue with the Christmas theme, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in discussion at the Christianity noticeboard.

Calendar This coming month (mid-November through mid-December) includes the Advent season. Other major feasts are those of Margaret of Scotland, Matthew the Evangelist, Hilda of Whitby, Elizabeth of Hungary, Edmund the Martyr, the Presentation of Mary, Saint Cecilia, Clement of Rome, Catherine of Alexandria, Andrew the Apostle, Francis Xavier, Saint Barbara, John Damascene, Nicholas of Myra, Saint Ambrose of Milan, Feast of the Immaculate Conception, Our Lady of Guadalupe, Lucy of Syracuse, and others.

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, Crucifixion and Last Judgement diptych by, among others, User:Truthkeeper88, User:Ceoil, and User:Kafka Liz and Mitt Romney by User:Wasted Time R were promoted to FA. List of 2000s Christian Songs number ones by User:Toa Nidhiki05 was promoted to Featured List. The two images in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status, as were these two images of Michelangelo's Pieta and of Giovanni Bellini's Saint Francis in the Desert. Derek Webb by User: Pepsi2786 and others, and Scipione Piattoli by User:Piotrus were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Archdiocese of Râmnic, by User:Biruitorul, Diocese of Caransebeş by User:Biruitorul, Wythburn Church by User:Peter I. Vardy, St. Gumbertus, Ansbach by User:Gerda Arendt, User:Dr. Blofeld, and User:Nvvchar collectively, St. Johannis, Ansbach by User:Gerda Arendt, User:Dr. Blofeld, and User:Nvvchar collectively, Nikollë Bojaxhiu by User:ZjarriRrethues, All Saints Church, Lydd by User:Dr. Blofeld, User:Rosiestep, User:Gilderien, and User:Ipigott collectively, St Mary's Church, Acton Burnell by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Eata's Church, Atcham by User:Peter I. Vardy, Nativity of St. John the Baptist Church, Piatra Neamț by User:Biruitorul, Anna Schäffer by User:Shii, List of Archbishops of Vancouver by User: Bloom6132, James Francis Carney by User:Bloom6132, St Luke's Church, Chelsea by User:PKM and User:Johnbod, Gregory Orologas by User:Alexikoua, Ambrosios Pleianthidis by User:Alexikoua, and St Giles' Church, Barrow, by User:Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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Three scenes of the legend of the Miraculous Sacrament, in which communion wafers were reported to bleed after being stabbed, in the St. Michael and St. Gudula Cathedral, Brussels by Jean-Baptiste Capronnier. This image was promoted this past month to FM by the work of User:Alvesgaspar. Thank you, Alvesgaspar!

Spotlight The core topics work group is the group whose specific purpose is to help identify and develop those articles which are of greatest importance to an overall understanding of the broad subject of Christianity, based on what is included in the core topics list. These articles include some of specific churches and individuals, history, philosophical and theological matters, and more. We have had some recent discussion regarding which articles should be included in this list, and it probably makes sense to revisit the selections, and try to figure out how best to work to make them high quality articles. Discussion is beginning at WT:X regarding these matters, and all input is welcome.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - December 2012
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 350 active members. We would like to welcome our newest member, User:Harishrawat11. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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Church of the month This image of The Baptistry of Saint John in Pisa by User:NotFromUtrecht was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month As I imagine many of our editors will be editing at a greatly reduced level for the next few weeks, what with the Christmas and New Year's holidays coming, there is no specific content-related contest this month. The contest, if anything, is to make the most of the season, in whatever way, if any, you deem appropriate.

Calendar This coming month (mid-December through mid-January) includes the Advent season, and one of the two greatest holidays of the Christian year, Christmas. Other major feasts in the next month include those of the Feast of the Epiphany, Baptism of the Lord, Saint Stephen, Thomas the Apostle, Holy Innocents, John the Evangelist, Gregory of Nazianzus, Basil the Great, Saint Genevieve, Elizabeth Ann Seton, and Saint Sava.

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, Anne Hutchinson nominated by User:Sarnold17 was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Lancashire by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The image in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. Come to the Well by User:Toa Nidhiki05 and others, and Dwight Christmas by User:Gen. Quon and others were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include King's Chapel, Gibraltar, by User:Prioryman, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Tingsted Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, St. Mary's Church (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Stubbekøbing Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, Notre Dame Cathedral (Phnom Penh) by User:Bloom6132, and St. James' Church, Cardington by User:Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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The nave of the Parish Church of Urtijëi. This image was created by User:Moroderen. Thank you, Moroderen!

Spotlight In the spirit of Christmas, the spotlight for the coming month might actually best be on those people closest to you. We know that a lot of our editors here are associated in some way or another with schools, and many if not most of them are going on rather extended breaks for the holidays. This can give some of us a chance to meet up with old friends, spend time with our families and those close to us, and, in a sense, "recharge" for the new year. So, for all of you who are in some way part of that group, we wish you the very best of holidays. We hope you all return to editing after the holidays with your spirits lifted and with your energies at peak level. There are some small matters in development here as well, and it is our hope that some of them will be ready come the next newsletter. But, until then, we wish you all the happiest and holiest (if appropriate) holidays.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - January 2013
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 354 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Alliereborn, Iselilja, Peterkp, and Sosthenes12. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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Church of the month This image of Alexander Nevsky Cathedral in Tallinn, Estonia by User:Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, the image in the "Church of the Month" section of this newsletter was promoted to Featured Image status.

Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes, BWV 40 by Gerda Arendt and others, Teuruarii IV by Lemurbaby, KAVEBEAR and others, and Peace on Earth (Casting Crowns album) by Toa Nidhiki05 and others, were all promoted to GA status.

Also this past month, the DYKs on the main page included St James' Church, Cardington by Peter I. Vardy, Bishop's Palace, Kraków by Poeticbent, Kippinge Church by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Trinitatis Church, also by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Steindamm Church by Olessi, St Laurence's Church, Church Stretton by Peter I. Vardy, Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Meteora, by Peter I. Vardy, Sonrise Church, by Aboutmovies, St. Peter's Episcopal Church (Albany, New York), by Daniel Case, All Saints Church, Claverley, by Peter I. Vardy, and Church of the Holy Virgin Mary of Lourdes, by  Poeticbent. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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The Tower of Babel'' by Pieter Bruegel the Elder This image was created by User:Dcoetzee. Thank you, Dcoetzee!

Spotlight The Spotlight this month turns to the the Syriac Christianity work group. The scope of this project includes the various traditions of Syriac Christianity, including the Assyrian Church of the East, Ancient Church of the East, Church of the East, Syriac Orthodox Church, Chaldean Catholic Church, Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, Melkite Greek Catholic Church, Syriac Catholic Church, Syro-Malankara Catholic Church, and Saint Thomas Christians. One of these groups, the Assyrian Church of the East, is considered by scholars to have probably been, for several hundred years, the largest Christian grouping in the planet, with its numerous members in Central Asia and Eastern Asia. Numerous texts, traditions, and practices unique to these groups exist, including the Jesus Sutras and the belief of the Assyrian Church of the East that the bread they use in the preparation of their Eucharist uses the same basic yeast as that used in the bread of the Last Supper itself. Sadly, given the linguistic barriers to much of the content relative to these groups, and the comparative lack of notoriety they have in the Western world, much of this content does receive less attenion, and thus less development, than much other content. There is a large amount of extremely valuable historical material here still waiting to be adequately developed by editors with an interest in the topic, and I personally very much hope that we can draw more attention to these topics, and the content related to them.

By John Carter

Calendar This coming month (mid-January through mid-February) includes The Presentation of Christ in the Temple or Candlemas and the Conversion of Paul. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint Agnes, Saint Francis de Sales, Saints Timothy and Titus, Thomas Aquinas, John Bosco, Saint Agatha, Paul Miki, [{Saint Scholastica]], and Saint Anskar.

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Christianity newsletter: New format, new focus
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Hello there, I have discovered an old engraving of Charles Hodge in a first edition of his Essays and Reviews published 1857, and it seems to be the same picture you posted of Hodge back in 2005. I am wondering if you recall where you got that photo from? I can find no other record of this photo online or in databases except for the copy you posted which seems to be the source of others re-using it. 38.126.15.254 (talk) 18:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Alas, I don't recall where I got Charles Hodge.JPG. I think I found it on the internet and judged it to be public domain by its inherent age. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 12:58, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

당신을 위한 반스타!

 * You're welcome, and thank you for the barnstar! --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 12:54, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Concern for Frame article
I likely share your deepest of perspectives, but may have less patience for rule violations; in my opinion, the majority of content at the John Frame article needs to be removed, because it was added as plagiarism or WP:OR, in two large, earlier unlogged/IP edits (see Talk, section entitled "I give up"). But you have history there, and I do not, so I look to you to take the initiaitve—moving that content to Talk, and starting over, adding it back only piece by piece, when authoritative sources can be found to support it. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:246:C700:2DB2:8133:1B3B:F75D:70F4 (talk) 20:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

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Draft:Youn Chul-Ho
Shalom, I need your help. The text above has been declined severl times. Would you correct it?칼빈500 (talk) 09:10, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

"Normative principle" listed at Redirects for discussion
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"Christian liberty" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christian_liberty&redirect=no Christian liberty] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Veverve (talk) 11:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)