User talk:Flibirigit/Ontario Hockey Association

format format format
Instead of piling in masses of stuff about OHL and OHA, first work out how you are going to format them!!! They look pretty enough tables in the wiki markup but surely you have looked at the rendered versions and thought - "that looks horrible". Normally I strongly dislike the use of HTML &lt;pre> material in Wikipedia but here it is the easiest solution - just start each line of a table with one space - it is that easy!! See may edit to List of OHA Junior A standings. Excellent - I see you have got the message - well done. -- RHaworth 20:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Whitby Dunlops--Durham Huskies
When I was putting together pages for the senior hockey leagues, I saw you were working on the Whitby Dunlops. I see that you have some stats as well, the Durham Huskies played a lot of Ontario Senior.... a lot... any chance you might have some of their W-L-T records as well? DMighton 07:15, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

OHA History Book
I have picked up the following book. "100 Years of Dropping the Puck, A History of the OHA" by Ian Young. ISBN # 0-7710-9093-5 Flibirigit 22:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Never heard of it, but if you can find the Durham Huskies in there... that would be cool. What is in the book? DMighton 15:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It's actually by Scott Young, the hockey writer (and Neil Young's father). BoojiBoy 15:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Does it include a list of Clarence Schmalz Cup Champions (OHA Jr. C)? Or OHA Cup Champions (Jr. D)? I'm also looking for the champions of each Jr. C league... can you help me? I'll even take a scan of the page in my e-mail is possible... DMighton 03:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The book tell anecdotes, mostly from early OHA history, before 1961. Most stories are about people and the decision they made to shape history. There are no lists of champions, scorers etc. It will likely take me until the fall to put it on wikipedia. I will be too busy in the summer. Flibirigit 04:18, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I was just curious. It is very hard to get info out of the OHA. Even champion info. It seems like only one or two people know anything historical... and they have to be willing to share for it to be worth any time. Thank you for the answer. If you find anything interesting about any of the teams or leagues I've worked with... that would be amazing... as you know... I have every active OHA league listed and a few defunct and now at least stubs for every active Junior team... any help would be appreciated. DMighton 04:27, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

West Toronto Nationals
I looked it up in the Globe and Mail today and the West Toronto Nationals and the West Toronto Redmen were one and the same. The article concerning them winning the J. Ross Robertson Cup appeared in the March 23, 1936 edition of the Globe and the newspaper used "Nationals" and "Redmen" interchangeably to describe the team. (The paper also used "Westionals".) I've written a stub article. Thought you would like to know, given your appreciation for OHL history. Cheers, BoojiBoy 18:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Sault Thunderbirds
Jason, I couldn't help but notice what an incredible job you've done on the OHA/OHL entries especially. Great work. There is one thing that I'm going to leave for you to mull over. The 1959 - 1962 entry in the EPHL was actually called the Sault Thunderbirds and not the Greyhounds. Also there were Greyhound teams in the "NOHA Sr. A" league, pre-1959, that you might want to gather some history on to make your Greyhounds article more complete.

A Greyhounds Sr. team won the Allen Cup in 1924 and another came within a win of going to the championships in, I believe, 1955. You can email anytime at jwarner-smith@shaw.ca if there is anything you're having trouble finding. Also if I can find anything to add to your articles, I'll send it on. User:James Warner-Smith 14:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Guelph CMC's
I added some history... interesting read I hope. Edit it if you want... check it out. DMighton 20:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Try to add some categories. Category:Sport in Guelph is the only one right now. Flibirigit 21:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Whitby Dunlops & EOSHL
I am looking for the 2004-05 EOSHL standings... any ideas? DMighton 01:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know where to find them. The Dunlops results are on their web site. Flibirigit 11:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't find it anywhere right now... damn. DMighton 07:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Flyers and Intermediate Hockey
Already did this morning... this Jonjax is from my home area... he knows a lot and has done some AWESOME research. DMighton 03:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Stratford
Well, I grew up about an hour and a half North of Stratford, so I know a bit about their history. All junior teams seem to either be in the lineage of or at least predescessors of the current Jr. B powerhouse Cullitons.


 * Stratford Canadians ???
 * Stratford Braves 1962 - ?
 * Stratford Burtols ? - 1968
 * Stratford Warriors 1968 - 1975
 * Stratford Cullitons 1975 to Present

From what I understand, the Braves joined the Central Junior B Hockey League in 1962. They moved to the newly founded Western Junior B Hockey League in 1969. Then moved to the Waterloo-Wellington Junior B Hockey League in 1975, which turned into the Mid-Western Junior B Hockey League which they have been a part of ever since. I currently am not sure about Stratford hockey prior to 1962. Their website doesn't mention anything prior to 1975 as their sponsor changed that year... Culliton Plumbing or something. As far as I know... I might have to ask around. I know that the Culltions don't list the Canadians' Suth Cup as one of their accomplishments... what do you know about them? DMighton 06:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * From what I've seen... the Stratford Kist may also be known as the Stratford Kist Canadians... with Kist being a sponsor name. The Canadians were also an entry in the Michigan-Ontario Hockey League (I think that was the name).  I think it is possible that Stratford might have been vacant of Jr. Hockey between the years of 1951 and 1962....  I have no confirmation of this though.... they may have dropped to Jr. C... I've noticed that a drop to Jr. C often makes people mistake a team for defunct like ALL the teams of the NOJHL (when they dropped to B in the 70s). DMighton 06:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It appears that the Kist Canadians won the Sutherland Cup in 1942 and then were granted expansion to the OHA-A League. Probably took on a bigger sponsor, hence the new name.  Oddly, Kroelers was based out of my hometown -- the company that is.  I wouldn't be shocked if they spent 44-45 and 45-46 in the Big 10 by the way.  DMighton 07:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Please look over Stratford Midgets and Stratford Kroehlers and let me know if you can think of a better way to link the teams. See also Talk:Stratford Kroehlers. All I know about Stratford Kist, is that Howie Morenz played for the team in 1941-42. Flibirigit 06:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

OHA Timeline
Hey, I would appreciate a little help and input here if you can give me a hand... I want to build this into something cool: User:DMighton/OHA_Timeline. Please help, you know my expertise, I need some of yours. DMighton 06:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Senior A
I haven't heard from you in a while, I was wondering what you think of these: OHA Senior A Hockey League and OHA Senior A Hockey League (1929-1979). Please add anything if you can, maybe something on the Dunlops? I have also traced back a lot of history on Major League Hockey and hope to vastly improve it soon. Any thoughts? DMighton 02:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm still here...sometimes in the summer. By the way I will be in Owen Sound this weekend, July 21, 22. I really don't know much about senior hockey.. just the Dunlops and the Allan Cup. Flibirigit 22:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice... I'll be heading to Owen Sound probably on Tuesday. DMighton 05:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Come on the weekend. We can have a beer. Flibirigit 21:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

re:OHA Jr History
Jason do you want any pre-1937 Jr standings for your article?

fanofpucksFanofpucks (talk) 17:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * If you have any, please add some. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 17:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Original Windsor Spitfires
Simcoe Reformer, February 11th 1975, Page 4... says that the Original Spitfires became the Hamilton Tiger Cubs in 1953. DMighton (talk) 20:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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OPJHL
Alright, I've passed this by the WikiProject and no one said anything. Do you have any idea what happened with the OPJHL between 1988 and 1993? I know they joined the CJAHL in 1993, but they seemed to drop off the map before that... any ideas? DMighton 22:43, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't have any recollection of Tier II hockey or lower prior to the mid 1990's. Flibirigit 22:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Barrie Colts and the OPJHL
So, as it turns out... the OHA Junior "A" League folded in 1987 due to corruption and teams failing. The remaining teams joined the Central Junior B Hockey League. The Central Junior B League was promoted to Junior "A" at the start of the 1993-94 Season and renamed the Ontario Provincial Junior A Hockey League. The Barrie Colts remained in the OPJHL for two season after the promotion before they too were promoted to the OHL. Anyways, I left their season-by-season WLT records in the Colts talk page for you. Please use it, I imagine you will. I now have the standings for the CJBHL and OPJHL from 1979 until present and will be updating the pages of anywhere from 40 to 60 teams. DMighton 06:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Streetsville
Question: Do the Derbys play out of Brampton as well? Or is this set-up just for the RBC 2006? DMighton 05:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The Derbys play at Streetsville Memorial Arena. The Royal Bank Cup is being played at the larger arena in Brampton for revenue. Flibirigit 05:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I was totally unaware of that. Thanks for the info. DMighton 05:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Relocation
Streetsville, although still carrying the name, is now playing in Rexdale, Ontario. DMighton 04:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I missed that memo :-s. Flibirigit 04:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * lol... yeah, a lot of traditional Derbys fans are really pissed. DMighton 04:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Aurora Goalie
Thanks for the name of the goalie... can you find out the Broncos captain's name on Royal Bank Cup 2003? Or any of the names on Royal Bank Cup 2006? DMighton 15:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry don't know them. I used to be Chris Whitley's boss when he worked for me. He also played one game for the Oshawa Generals. Flibirigit 16:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, well... I now have the Royal Bank Cup recorded back to 1998... so if you know of any good images from any year... please add. DMighton 02:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Junior B Teams
Hello, a user has decided that he does not want us placing hockey stubs on Wikipedia to expand later into teams. In particular he doesn't like Junior teams... I was wondering if you could please voice your opinion. Articles for deletion/Thunder Bay Northern Hawks DMighton 01:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

OHA Affiliations
I am currently trying to round up former names of all the Ontario junior leagues. To be honest with you, the way I do it with teams and past names is not as aesthetically pleasing when I apply it to the leagues -- but I might be a little over critical: ex: Southern Ontario Junior Hockey League.

I'm also trying to find Season-by-Season standings for Ontario Junior "C", but so far only the Central C and Eastern Ontario C have been forthcoming... most don't even write back. Despite some polishing, I have the S-by-S for all of Junior B... I will need to start doing histories soon... but I am heading up to Lion's Head in the Bruce soon for a vacation... so... lol... we'll see what I can get done before and what will have to wait.

One thing though... I wouldn't mind it if we could figure out a way to list OHL-OHA team affiliations in the team templates of the OHL and OHA teams... what do you think? DMighton 16:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The template is set up for all Canadian Hockey League teams right now. It could be applied to all teams, if anyone has the info for affiliated teams. But, some clubs change affiliations frequently too. Could be a lot of work to straighten it out. Do you know anything about farm systems outside of Ontario? Flibirigit 20:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I can find out on the OPJHL message board for the OHL... but for the Q or the WHL it might be a little harder... Resolute might know... Quebec... we'll find a way. DMighton 02:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Barrie Colts - Couchiching Terriers
 * Belleville Bulls - Cobourg Cougars
 * Brampton Battalion - Bramalea Blues AND Brampton Capitals
 * Erie Otters - Huntsville-Muskoka Otters
 * Guelph Storm - Guelph Dominators
 * Kingston Frontenacs - Wellington Dukes
 * Kitchener Rangers - Kitchener Dutchmen
 * London Knights - Petrolia Jets
 * Mississauga IceDogs - Milton Icehawks
 * Oshawa Generals - Lindsay Muskies AND Collingwood Blues
 * Ottawa 67s - Nepean Raiders
 * Owen Sound Attack - Owen Sound-Saugeen Shores Greys AND St. Michael's Buzzers
 * Peterborough Petes - Peterborough Stars
 * Plymouth Whalers - Detroit Compuware AAA System
 * Saginaw Spirit - Leamington Flyers
 * Sarnia Sting - Sarnia Blast
 * Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds - Soo Thunderbirds
 * Sudbury Wolves - Sudbury Junior Wolves
 * Toronto St. Michael's Majors - St. Michael's Buzzers
 * Windsor Spitfires - Leamington Flyers


 * Flib, sorry... I've been up in sunny Lion's Head, Ontario for the last half week and will be there until next Saturday. For the WHL, see what User:Resolute knows... for the QMJHL... we will probably have to contact the leagues or find a message board. DMighton 16:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * How about putting affiliated teams in the "See also" section of the article? It would be simpler, and avoid empty space in the template where the information is not available. Flibirigit 13:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Honestly... I'd rather see it in a more notable place than "See also"... If there is no team to place in the template... then we can just not add that section to the template. DMighton 03:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * According to Resolute, the WHL does not use a concrete affiliation system... players are just assigned to local leagues in the BCHL, AJHL, SJHL, and MJHL... I'm not sure if he is certain of this... but I think there is a good chance that he is right... that is a very, very spaced out league... affiliation would probably be tough... DMighton 00:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Speaking of this, I noticed that you added an affiliation row to the CHL infobox template. Is there any chance that this row can be made into an optional heading, as the empty field doesnt look very good on the WHL team articles. Failing that, a separate WHL team template may have to be created. Thanks! Resolute 03:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes there is a way to make it optional. But I haven't had enough time to figure out the coding. I was hoping to get around to it Sunday night. Flibirigit 04:47, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have learned about Parser Functions, and completed the change. Flibirigit 03:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Changes look good. Good job! Resolute 04:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Junior B Hockey
Jason... could you check this out for me: User:DMighton/Test Template... I want to put a template on each Junior "B" team page... but I think this template can be made much better than it is... could you edit it or make suggestions that could make this thing more aesthetically pleasing?... thanx. DMighton 15:49, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks fine to me. But sometimes smaller is better. You could split up the leagues. Flibirigit 18:45, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The "Phantom" Season
I just got an e-mail back from the proprietor of the Hockeydb.com... he says according to the Toronto Sun archives, the SOJHL operated in 1976-77. He says that the Guelph Platers/CMC's, Owen Sound Greys, Hamilton Mountain A's, and a Collingwood team (probably the Blues) were members and he added that there were probably more. He also said that the Platers were that year's champions and faced the North York Rangers in OHA Final... any thoughts? I think he may be right... but stats and info are is hard to find from that league... DMighton 17:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I see potential for the Chatham Maroons, Welland Sabres, and maybe the Niagara Falls Flyers maybe playing that year... if NFF didn't actually fold in 1976. I'm thinking of driving to Chatham in the next month and have a look in their library. DMighton 17:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about hockey below Junior A (Tier I), and I haven't had time to go through many archives. As far as hockeydb.com, I have my own inclinations when its data is wrong. Good luck with the research. Flibirigit 18:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

OHA Stuff
I came across something a few weeks ago. You probably already know this, but I don't see anything anywhere for it. When Jr. A and Jr. B were divided in 1933... the name of the Jr. A league became the Big 7 Junior A Hockey League or OHA Big 7 because at that time there were probably only seven teams of the appropriate calibre -- the Jr. B league became the Big 10 Junior B Hockey League or the OHA Big 10... it was divided into a Western and Central conference... they split into their own leagues in 1956.... the West became the SOJHL in 1970 and folded in 1977... the Central survived until 1993 when it was renamed the OPJHL. You already know what happened to the Big 7. Through much of the history since 1956 there was also a Metro league and an Eastern league.... these leagues merged under the Metro name when the original OPJHL was formed in 1972 and raided the Metro. Obviously the Metro folded in 1998. There was also a Niagara league, but it divided into two and became the Golden Horseshoe around 1974. The other league it divided into was also called the Niagara, folded after one season. I've also found the existence of two shortlived leagues... .the Mid-Ontario (68-78) and the Southwestern (76-78)... The current Western league was founded in 1969... not much has changed there.... the Mid-Western started under the name Southwestern in 1973, changed to Waterloo-Wellington in 1974, and then to Mid-Western in 1977.... and that is just the beginning... I'm also working on Jr. C, Jr. D, Intermediate, and Senior histories for Southern Ontario.... so much stuff. DMighton 08:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Richmond Hill Rams
Hey... how's it going? The alumni section you added to the Richmond Hill Rams article is actually for the old Rams... they are in the North York Rangers article. DMighton (talk) 10:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)