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I am sorry, if I made mistakes. Actually, what I did, was to ADD links to my name Florentino Floro, since there are no links thereat.

Hoping for your understanding of my lack of expertise on this since I am new and learning. Sincerely,

Judge Florentino V. Floro

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Autobiographical article
You should wait for others to write an article about subjects in which you are personally involved. This applies to articles about you, your achievements, your business, your publications, your website, your relatives, and any other possible conflict of interest.

Creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you create such an article, it might be listed on articles for deletion. Deletion is not certain, but many feel strongly that you should not start articles about yourself. This is because independent creation encourages independent validation of both significance and verifiability. All edits to articles must conform to No original research, Neutral point of view, and Verifiability.

If you are not "notable" under Wikipedia guidelines, creating an article about yourself may violate the policy that Wikipedia is not a personal webspace provider and would thus qualify for speedy deletion. If your achievements, etc., are verifiable and genuinely notable, and thus suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later. (See Wikipedians with articles.)  -FisherQueen (Talk) 11:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your notice. I am a new user and I do not know the rules.


 * The article was written by a friend who asked my permission. So, I did only the minor editing.
 * Hoping for your kind understanding.


 * Thanks


 * my email is


 * judgefloro [at] yahoo dot] com
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by Florentino floro (talk • contribs)

REPLY of Judge Florentino Floro:

Thanks for your kind understanding.

Let me clarify, that before the CREATOR of this article (a member of a filipino Forum Pinoyexchange, name withheld for confidential reasons)wrote this article on me, he suggested that - since I had been and is world-famous due to the 3 dwarves, I must write an article on WIKI. I told him that I had been in Wiki with short entries and I had registered there last year as judgefloro, user;

So, I told him that I have read parts of Wiki rules and someone else should be the one to write. So, WITH MY PERMISSION, since my autobiography had never been out, he first uploaded an image.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Judge_Floro.jpg.

(I am not sure if I duplicated that thru mistake

since that image came from my blog

then I wrote Wike that I am giving it away to the public domain

so, it was not deleted and warnings were erased Then, he created this ARTICLE on my autobiography etc.

Considering that the worldwide LINKS on judge florentino floro

is very broad, more than thousands blogs, forums and 300 world reports on my separation from service due to consultation with dwarves on april 6 06

then, I edited some things in the LIGHT of the wiki rules of OBJECTIVITY and fairness

I had to edit now, this article received

warnings of NO CITATION or references

So, I did edit to obey to your wiki rules on references

MY POINT is:

Someone created as demanded by their friends and groups in many forums that had known me

so I did grant permission

so I think this satisfies THE RULE that OTHERS SHOULD BE THE ONE TO CREATE

but the editing, just to RECTIFY things or add links

I thing is very GOOD for WIKI for the TRUTH

--

The creator of this article is a very WEALTHY man who would not identify himself due to his privacy regards

and has little time to read the kilometric rules here...

BUT we will try our best to PROVIDE WIKI the best on this article

now

for verification -

"lucasbfr"

emailed me

judgefloro@yahoo.com

my other account

judge_florentino_v_floro@yahoo.com

So, please allow the ARTICLE to be shared with the world, and please

help me or the creator of the article to EDIT or delete some parts which are not in accordance with the rules

PLEASE PLEASE BEAR with our little understanding of the cleaning ,formatting, etc.

We are just beginners.

THANKS so much.

--Florentino floro 03:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Let me please CLARIFY that I myself created this new account

florentino floro

since,

my editting in the first account of

judgefloro

was blocked due to alleged error

after I created this 2nd account

i received this email and my first account was restored with editing

and I REPLIED to lucas

Thanks for the clarification.

Sorry for the block, in fact you were blocked 8 minutes before I asked around and realized it was much simpler to contact you by e-mail to clarify before. You had bad luck, since you were online during that time. I'm awfully sorry about that. :$

I'd suggest you to stick to the first account, but it's your call. I advise you to only use one account because objections might be raised if you edit with 2 accounts.

I can't really look into the article these days (I'm having my final exams), but I'd raise 2 points: first, it is considered a very bad idea to create (or edit for that matter) an autobiography because by essence these articles tend to be very biased (only 1 side of the coin, if you see what I mean). Secondly however, you can write a VERY SHORT article to start the page and BACK IT UP WITH SECONDARY REFERENCES (ie. newspaper articles).

I hope that helps!

-- Lucas

(who is having exams june 30)

that I will use this 2nd account

since it is my full name --Florentino floro 04:01, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

HOPING that you will held me as a POOR PHILIPPINE JUDGE

to edit and comply with your rules

so that this ARTICLE on

FLORENTINO V. FLORO

may be finished little by little

and be OBJECTIVE FAIR and free from ADVERTISMENTS

GIVE us TIME to carefully do this article

SUMMATION:

since, I judge florentino floro

was not the creator of this article

and since SOMEONE created it

the WIKI rules I believe will have some leeways to allow me to EDIT this by adding, rectifying things etc.

thanks

sincerely

judge floro

--Florentino floro 04:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Bar Exam Forum
Judge, I cordially invite you to join the bar exam forum at www.bar.attyatwork.com It's a wonderful forum where you can share your legal experience and wisdom. Please email me at landoftheloving@hdec.co.kr should you need more info.

--Joselito Basilio 04:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Judge
Your honor, I am greatly impressed by the quality of your user page. It is a true honor to have you, Judge Florentino Floro, communicator with the elfin land, working on WIKIPEDIA! Algabal 15:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

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P.S.

Thanks again, and by the way, as a beginner contributor

I humbly submit that my contributions here

are based on FIRST IN BREAKING NEWS supported or coursed from verifiable LINKS

to expand and develop many empty or underdeveloped FIlipino autos

I also created 2 articles since here in the philippine judiciary these 2 justices are very very controversial as far as the focus of breaking news especially on the forthcomming ERAP decision:

GREGORY S. ONG

TERESITA DE CASTRO

THANKS again

by the way,

I am only renting a house still JOBLESS in a pretend world due to the INJUSTICE done to me by the 8 justices here who made my case a funny one of DWARVES

when the truth is that THEY TOOK VENGEANCE

but I believe in DESTINY

it is because of that vengeance

that

my NAME and these 3 angels will never ever be forgotten in WORLD HISTORY and

in this GREAT ENCYCLOPEDIA

ALTHOUGH painful to be jobless

It is heartwarming

that a compassionate user or wikipedian like you

would realize

that USERS in wiki should not only be anonymous

but must be BRAVE to identify themselves

like me

no matter what

since the QUALITY OF THE CONTRIBUTION will be affected by the IDENTITY and INTERNATIONAL or world reports regarding the user

AS WIKI USER I caught global attention due to the dwarves

I am proud of them since because of them

MY USERPAGE is so heavy with GLOBAL LINKS

I had been in almost all departments of weird, occult, psi, parapsychology, psychic phenomena, religion, law, forum, blogs, news and wire reports and HERE....

--Florentino floro 07:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a Great Encyclopedia
Thanks for your kind and compassionate words. Actually, when my case was reported last year april 6, I do not know how to open a computer until I was forced to learn due to so many blogs and reports and forums that did talk about my SAD case. I was a victim of INJUSTICE and revenge due to 8 medical surgeries of justices here, Philippines.

Now, I never know about wikipedia, until a naughty forum member challenged me to be here, since I claimed IMMORTALITY more than world-famous, since if you type

judge floro

in google etc. you will find that i had been in chuck sheperd (250 newspapers worldwide), actually and specifically in almost all of the 250 chucks' news of the weird JUDGES GONE WILD front pages life box; I had been in ripley's, new york times, cnn, msnbc keith olberman name them all;

So, i googled wikipedia and found that I am here but in just one sentence of USERSMITH the lawyers etc.

Last month, a Pinoyexchange forum member, CEO of export company asked me regarding my HEALING OIL and in passing he asked me to be here in WIKIPEDIA since he said that I am more famous than our own senator

jovito salonga

and senator

miriam santiago

I said that Wikipedia forbids the creating of the article by the person himself;

so he created it for me in the name of

melanie

unluckily he is a beginner

so

IT WAS ASKED TO BE RE-written

I THANK FISHERQEEN for being so kind in RE-writing my

FLORENTINO V. FLORO

article

I am sorry that I made a mistake of editing it and it is forbidden by wikipedia

anyway it is still here by the grace of admin. fisherqueen

(actually I asked her to make me exception, since my case is UNIQUE, one of consulting dwarves)

So, I found wikipedia and fisherqueen very objective and NEUTRAL

she asked me to WAIT for someone to finish my article

buT she was SO KIND in re-writing it.

Now, I discovered that:

instead of replying to FORUMS where members are funny and naughty and nothing will ever happen to me

HERE IN WIKIPEDIA

my contributions will remain and I will be able to share my knowledge and updates on FILIPINO NEWS here

to expand and develeop bios etc on PHILIPPINE people here.

I also discovered that

I cannot fully edit some important bios like that of Pope Benedict XVI

twice my edit were deleted or transferred to subsection

but the Pope's editing is really limited to veteran USERS

but THEY are kind enough to explain why the moved and delited my news editing;

but I beat these veterans, when I WAS FIRST IN EDITING THE BREAKING NEWS OF THE POPE's NON-restriction of LATIN MASS I used a BBC news, and the USER who moved my edit contribution, used MY OWN BBC link...

So, that is mine ...

thanks and regards,

sincerely

judge floro

philippines (malolos city, bulacan), now 3:25 pm thursday here

--Florentino floro 07:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Hungary heat wave
Hi. I have removed your addition to the Hungary article about the recent heat wave. Although factually correct, it is not encyclopedic information and belongs more to Wikinews (you may consider adding it there instead). Regards, KissL 09:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply:

Thanks. I am new here, and If ever my contributions violate the rules, please correct the same. I am willing to learn.

--Florentino floro 15:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Fr. Ed Website
May I suggest that you refrain from adding trivial issue to this site. Only milestones and key events are to be recorded in order not to defeat the purpose of this article.

--Joselito Basilio 07:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Quarry is Among Ed's Landmark Contribution
Thanks for your suggestion. I am new here to wiki, and I appreciate any suggestion, since I want to learn. I am GIFTED Florentino V. Floro my userpage was deleted but I appealed and I re-created it.

I admit my mistakes, and I am willing to be corrected.

I just want to explain, that Quarry, is the UNPRECEDENTED and not only a milestone event (like oath, winning the election) but for sure, the UNIQUE and unduplicated FEAT against CORRUPTION and for the GOOD of the folks there.

From the viewpoint of style and Wiki presentation and purpose of the article you are right, but I humbly submit, that QUARRY is so BIG it is bigger than Panlilio, it made him GREAT. I cannot fathom how he did it, he is MAGIC.

A final point. As I predicted the buring of the S. Court logo and Comelec seal on Jan 15 and March 12 resp., this hour, as I predicted,

the Philippine Court of Appeals has had the 5th fire ALARM.

Philippine Court of Appeals

Well you are free to undo or revert, and I will not be offended, I just want to let Wiki know that Among Ed made MAGIC and Quarry is more than MAGIC. It is Ed's GIFT a very BID uplifting of the poorest of the poor.

More glory to among ed.

A last word. Perhaps, if you can personally talk to him, please ask him before you edit the quarry edit of mine, if he is in favor of letting the quarry be there. Of course, under wiki rules, Ed has no right whatsover to interfere in his auto due to neutral policy.

thanks.

--Florentino floro 08:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Judge, I know quarry is a matter of trascendental importance. However, I suggest that any additional contribution be written in a brief, concise and logical fashion. In any event, the quarry thing is still there.

--Joselito Basilio 10:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

There seems to be a pattern in your comments on article talk pages...
Hi! I notice that, other than making some contributions to various articles, you also tend to leave a comment on their respective talk pages which essentially summarize the same contents that you've added on these articles. Talk pages would usually be reserved for discussing improvements to articles as well as resolving any disputes, and not usually for adding the content itself or even a summary of the changes you made (that's why you edit the article, right?) So I would strongly suggest that, rather than leaving a corresponding comment on each article talk page, feel free to edit the article and, instead, place these comments on the edit summary text box found above the "Save page" button. Thanks! --- Tito Pao 00:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply:

Thanks for the comment. I am new here and I want to learn. I will do follow your suggestion.

Regards

--Florentino floro 10:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I'd also like to take the opportunity to invite you to visit the Tambayan Philippines, where many Filipino Wikipedians converge to edit and monitor Philippine-related articles. (I'm a regular there myself). If you need help, feel free to leave a message at the Tambayan's talk page. Most of the regulars can take your questions about editing in Wikipedia, as well as provide their opinions and assessments of your contributions. --- Tito Pao 00:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Thanks so much for informing me. It is great and my contributions will be appreciated and read: I created these, etc.

Gregory S. Ong, Teresita De Castro, Reynato Puno (edit)

Actually, the only reason I discovered Wikipedia is when a PinoyExchange forum member asked about my oil, and he asked me to create an artile about me here, but due to his lack of experience in Wiki (he is CEO of export firm), FisherQueen graciously and kindly re-wrote it - Florentino V. Floro

I will try my best to contribute to the Tambayan's talk page.

regards

--Florentino floro 04:27, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Suspected sock puppets/Florentino floro for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Shrumster 10:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Please give him the benefit of the doubt. He contributes to the Wikipedia in good faith.

--Joselito Basilio 07:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Reply to the Accusation
I am Judge Florentino V. Floro. I want to submit evidence that I am not a sock puppet. First, due to limited knowledge of the Rules, I registered Judgefloro the first account, and then the correct present florentino floro. Fisherqueen notified me of this ambiguity, so I replied in my Userpage that I will from that time use the 2nd florentino floro; so I obeyed and never edited judgefloro nor used it.

I have no idea about the whereabouts of Juanatoledo. My problem is: I had been known worldwide and I made many enemies here in the Philippines. In fact I know that some of my detractors are using my name or any similarity of Floro to make it appear that that name or username are my ALTERS. If ever, juanatoledo or melanie almera are accused to me me

the BEST EVIDENCE is to call me since I am Judge Floro here at 123 dahlia alido malolos, 3000 Bulacan, with land line (044) 662-8203 philippines;

my contributions are the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Florentino+floro

I examined juanatoledo's contributions, and they are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Juanatoledo

there are lots of differences and similarities

with respect to similarities

I judge and state this user juanatoledo, is also here in the philippines, and could have used the site, place and areas, where I edited, PLUS, studied carefully my contributions, TO CONTRIBUTE AND EDIT what I did edit, thus, making it appear to harm florentino floro to make a case of socket

But it is very clear that my own contributions are in favor of WIKIPEDIA and are very good and timely contributions especially for top people like reynato puno, gregory s. ong, teresita de castro, these are big people or justices here, and I got first hand info to write about them.

What is the harm?

my own article Florentino V. Floro was incorrectly written by such melanie, and then I committed a mistake of editing it, and Fisherqueen the admin re-wrote it coz of its world-famous value

Tito Pao even encouraged me to be at Tambayan

why? It is clear from the contributions that juanatoledo

Tito Pao, and I myself like Shrumster, I, I myself, graduated 1965 elementary at St. Mary's Academy Meycauayan Bulacan, then I graduated AB and LLB Ateneo de Manila University, 1974, 1982, so Shrumster should know me.

Based on my contributions, which are so FAVORABLE to WIKI, why should I be charged Sockpuppet?

At the very least, juanatoledo or melanie should be the ones charged not me, a JUDGE who already suffered INJUSTICE here in my own country.

Wikipedia is great, and my contributions are great. I followed the rules, why should other usernames make me a sockpuppet.

I do not advertise I never wrote on my friends, I just add and edit on great autos or events I first see on the internet to MAKE WIKI bigger.

Shrumster graduated elementary from St. Mary's College of Meycauayan, high school from the Ateneo de Manila High School, and college from the Ateneo de Manila University. Currently pursuing a Master of Science in Marine Biology degree at the University of the Philippines' Marine Science Institute.

Just BECAUSE juanatoledo or melanie contributed in like manner is this a reason for me to be blocked.

Wiki should weigh the quality and greatness of the contributions rather than piece-meal and circumstantial evidence of sockpuppet.

I know what Shurmster is driving at, but he is unaware of the fact that I have detractors and enemies due to my predictions ... the deaths in the Philippine Judiciary and because of this, some may have read my dire death prophesies and took vengeance on me, even here....

If THERE IS HARD EVIDENCE in law, equity and under Wiki Rules, that these juanatoledo and melanie are sockpuppet, then, do not include me or accuse me of such actuations.

I had contributed many many good news and things about many big people here, to make NEUTRAL their articles and to let people know about them ...

I therefore, petition that the accusation against me, be DENIED for utter lack of basis, merit, and due to impetinence and misnomer.

--Florentino floro 05:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Hard Evidence
In addition to the above refutation, contradiction and traversing the accusations and allegations of Shrumster,

I am JUXTAPOSING the critical facts and proofs, that I Judge Florentino V. Floro, Jr. and Shrumster -

1) are from the same town of Meycauayan City, 2) studied from same Meycauayan St. Mary's Academy and 3) graduated from the same Ateneo De Manila University,

these SAME places reveal that the

MOTIVE behind the filing of this sockpuppet case against me: I want to show that NO WIKIPEDIAN outside the Philippines, outside my SCHOOL ATENEO, outside my TOWN MEYCAUAYAN, BULACAN, ever accused me of such violation of Wiki Rules.

It is UNTHINKABLE in law, morals, ethics and Wiki principles that a SCHOOLMATE, TOWNMATE would accuse me of such grave violations.

MOTIVE THEREFORE is so important: What is the AGENDA or HIDDEN REASON why he accused me

despite the fact that NOTED WIKIPEDIANS honored me and NOTED my great contributions here: Tito Pao

Joselito Basilio

[[User:Algabal|Algabal]

THE FOLLOWING IS MY OWN PROFILE - (PART OF)

The name of this writer is Florentino V. Floro, Jr. He hails from Calvario, Meycauayan City, Bulacan, a province where the historic Barasoain Church is located and produced notable Filipinos:


 * Marcelo H. del Pilar, the Great Propagandist
 * General Gregorio del Pilar
 * Mariano Ponce
 * Pio Valenzuela.

Florentino floro graduated elementary (1965) from St. Mary's College of Meycauayan, high school (1969) from St. Vincent's Seminary, Karuhatan, Valenzuela City, and college, Bachelor of Arts, pre-divinity and philosophy, from the Ateneo de Manila University. He earned the degree] of [[Bachelor of Laws (1982) at the Ateneo School of Law, with FULL SECOND HONORS. He placed 12th in the 1983 Philippine Bar Examination, with a bar rating of 87.55% in one of the hardest examination, where only 21.3% passed. He was duly appointed Regional Trial Court Judge of Br. 73, Malabon City, on his natal day of November 5, 1998, was placed under indefinite preventive suspension on July 20, 1999 until he was separated from service and paid 3 years back wages by the Supreme Court of the Philippines on April 6, 2006.

THE FOLLOWING IS PART OF THE PROFILE OF Shrumster -

Shrumster graduated elementary from St. Mary's College of Meycauayan, high school from the Ateneo de Manila High School, and college from the Ateneo de Manila University. Currently pursuing a Master of Science in Marine Biology degree at the University of the Philippines' Marine Science Institute.

SUPPLEMENTAL REPLY AND CONTRADICTION SUMMARY OF THE ACCUSATION:

Verily, the foregoing CLEARLY proves that the MOTIVE, that is, the accuser Shrumster is my own schoolmate and townmate who knows me and who has a HIDDEN AGENDA of SHUTTING me out to contribute to Wiki due to personal and hidden anger, hatred and baseless and utterly without merit accusations.

--Florentino floro 05:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Your edits on my user:talk page
Please stop flooding my User talk page with inappropriate, irrelevant information per WP:USER. A great deal of the text you have pasted onto my talk page may even be interpreted as vandalism per WP:VAND. Shrumster 07:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Shrumster 07:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Reply to another accusation of Vandalism
I read about vadalism, and I quote:

Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. The most common types of vandalism include the addition of obscenities to pages, page blanking, or the insertion of bad (or good) jokes or other nonsense. Fortunately, these types of vandalism are usually easy to spot. Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Apparent bad-faith edits that do not make their bad-faith nature inarguably explicit are not considered vandalism at Wikipedia. For example, adding a personal opinion once is not vandalism—it's just not helpful, and should be removed or restated.

I am a lawyer and judge. I read carefully the intent and literal meaning of vandalism. You accused me first of sockpuppetry and I read the rules, thus, I submitted evidence and counter-evidence against your defamatory and malicious allegations. That is the essence of protecting the intergrity of Wikipedia. For me, it clearly appears, that based on your accusations and replies, you are the sockpuppet of some ateneans or jurists here who are interferring in my legal, just, and neutral contributions to Wikipedia. Due process of law even in Wiki assures me of my right to submit not censored but full evidence to contradict your accusations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6947532.stm If you read this news today, some edit in Wiki as puppets really.

If you do not like my evidence, then you are free to delete edit or even erase your entire userpage and make a new one. I cannot accept your statement that you do not know me, since, you were not yet born when I graduated ... that is silly, if you are a good wikipedian as you claim, why did you not read my auto written by Fisherqueen Florentino V. Floro? Why did you not bother to ask from Calvario, Meycauayan, Bulacan who I am? Ask Dean Cesar L. Villanueva of the ateneo, my classmate who am I? You just filed this case against me without even knowing who I am. That is plain defamation and libel. In fact DOJ Gonzales filed a case of Libel against Co, now in the Courts. Read that news. I also notice that you did not even put your name in your Userpage and you have no picture. Why are you not brave enough to identify yourself? Ateneo is a school which deals with LUX IN DOMINO, integrity, justice and so on. You miserably fail to be a good ateneo alumni. I already suffered martyrdom in Filipino Justice, and I found kindness in more than 1,000 blogs and 100 forums that compassionately sided with me against the courts. If you read the news, under PERC survey our country is No. 1 in corruption. Now, even if thousands of Wiki users never accused me of such PETTY technicalities that you deal with, you, my townmate and co-atenean would file this UNJUST case? To silence me to contribute to this great encyclopedia. I do pitty you.

--Florentino floro 07:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Dude, there's one simple reason why I don't know you/have never heard of you. You're simply not that notable. Cheers! Shrumster 08:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Template warning
Please read WP:LEGAL. Your recent edits could give editors of Wikipedia the impression that you may consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. Please note that this is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a genuine dispute with the Community or its members, please use dispute resolution. Shrumster 08:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Reply
The above-responses to the accuser seemed to be legal threats. To make it clear, I am not suing or filing any case in court against the accuser, just that my reply are layman's terms. For sure, in our Philippine Jurisprudence, there is no such this as libel in the internet, since our penal code in 1932 punishes only written in the papers and published. Since there was no internet in 1932, any and all defamation or threats in the internet and here are not actionable.

I am only traversing the accusations and allegations of sockpuppet against me. A cursory perusal of my above responses cleary shows them to be mere replies or re-joinders. I never did consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. It is the accuser who makes this case more baseless. Hence, I respectfully request the admins to look deeply at my contributions compared to his contributions and the merits of my submissions, instead of techinicalities. I admit that I am a new user and not familiar so much with computer. But with my little learing, I want to learn and my GOOD FAITH shows that I never used any other username other than this and the other judgefloro that I told admin FisherQueen that I would not use anymore due to my mistakes.

--Florentino floro 08:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Contributions to Wikipedia as Basis of GOOD FAITH
I have an eclectic range of interests, but am primarily concerned with editing and creating well-written pages relating to my own country, specifically, concerning Law, the Philippine Judiciary and  Filipino people. Contributing in Wikipedia since 2007 gives me a sense of fulfillment as I'm able to share to others what I know. I hope to expound more on articles related to Law. Florentino V. Floro is well-versed in subjects relating to Philippine politics, Law, media, society, popular culture, and entertainment.

Articles and categories created

 * Gregory S. Ong - Sandiganbayan Justice


 * Teresita De Castro - Presiding Justice of the Sandiganbayan


 * Antonio Z. Atienza, Jr. - Noted Philippine Jeweler


 * Thriller (Cebu, Philippines Inmates' Video) - Bryon Garcia's Cebu Inmates YouTube Hit


 * Butanding


 * Regino C. Hermosisima, Jr.

--Florentino floro 12:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Articles expanded, revised or improved with minor edits

 * Reynato Puno - Chief Justice of the Philippine Supreme Court
 * Eddie Panlilio - Governor of Pampanga
 * Jovito Salonga - Former Senate President of the Philippines
 * Philippine Court of Appeals - On the July 26, 2000 Fire
 * Ronato Alcano - Philippine Bowling Champion
 * Minita Chico-Nazario - Supreme Court Associate Justice
 * Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo - President of the Philippines
 * Jose de Venecia, Jr. - Speaker of the House of Representative
 * Antonio Trillanes IV - Jailed Philippine Senator
 * Manny Villar - Senate President
 * Supreme Court of the Philippines - The High Tribunal
 * Moro Islamic Liberation Front - MILF
 * Alfredo Lim - Mayor of Manila
 * Anti-terrorism legislation - On the Philippine Human Security Act
 * Miriam Defensor Santiago - Senator of the Philippines
 * Aquilino Pimentel III - Former Senate President and Incumbent Senator
 * Raul Gonzalez (Philippines) - DOJ Secretary
 * Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines - CBCP
 * Eddie Villanueva - JIL Philippine Evangelist
 * PinoyExchange - Largest Filipino Forum
 * Ferdinand Marcos - Former Philippine President
 * Jaime Licauco - Filipino paranormal Researcher

--Florentino floro 08:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

About the sockpuppetry case
Just so you know, some of the things that would be considered by the administrator who would be working on this case are technical evidences which nobody would be likely able to tamper with or modify (because that would mean they'll need to access the original, raw database of Wikipedia...which is next to impossible, since Wikipedia's servers are located and secured at different cities in at least three different continents).

Which evidences would these be? Basically, the edits themselves would be reviewed. Were the edits made from your account and the other account similar? In similar or related topics? With similar edit summaries? In similar circumstances (date, time and/or frequency of edits)? There may also be more detailed (and more technical) information needed to firmly establish the connection (if any) of the accounts involved. I'm not an admin, and I'm not familiar with how a sockpuppetry case really works (I'm more familiar with the other processes such as the articles for deletion process), so I guess that admins will likely be looking for more information other or they may use other methods than what I've mentioned so far...I may have definitely missed something there. Admins would be able to review these information and verify if there is a case of sockpuppetry because they will be able to view some information about your account and the other account that will not be immediately available for regular Wikipedia accounts.

What I do understand, though, is that this case is not an attack on your person but on a certain pattern of behavior. Here on the Wikipedia, nobody cares if you're the President of the Philippines or of the United States, or if you're the CEO of a Fortune 500 corporation, or if you're a priest, imam or rabbi, or if you're just a high school student whose only joy is to catch spelling errors on different articles. In other words, as Wikipedia editors, we are just the same bunch of people: we don't care about your background (I've met up with some Pinoy Wikipedians, and some of them are old enough to be my father and my grandfather)...we care about how you do your work on the Wikipedia (and, at the same time, abiding by Wikipedia's policies and guidelines). One of the most important policies on Wikipedia is assuming good faith, which means that ideally everyone is assumed to be on the same level and should be treated the same. (Yes, there are issues, but for the most part these are resolved nicely.)

In the interest of fairness, Shrumster and I were former classmates at St. Mary's, and the last time we met each other was about 17 years ago (if my calculations are correct). He was often misunderstood by most of our batchmates, and I'll be bold enough to say that I'm one of the only few persons who understood him back then. I believe that his intentions in this case were for a good reason, and I would not want to impute any motive (well-meaning, malicious or otherwise) behind this action. This does not mean that I am supporting him and doubting you; what I'm saying is that I'm giving both of you the benefit of the doubt, as well as the chance to have this resolved as best as possible. Just so you know, I also had my fair share of accusations of "malice" in some of the Articles for Deletion cases that I have opened in the past.

At this point, I would advise that you direct all your responsed related to the case on that case's page itself and not on your User Talk page or on User_talk:Shrumster's, because the case's page is where the admins will consider your responses. (That was the intent of one of the user warnings he left you.) You have also provided more than enough responses on the case's page itself, so I think that the admin who will be working on this case will have more than a handful to consider when reviewing this case. So at this point, I'd leave it up to that admin, as this case is---to borrow from legal parlance---already "sub judice" in Wikiland. --- Tito Pao 04:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Enlightnement
Dear Tito Pao, it is nostalgic, I was enrolled at St. Mary's Academy, Meycauayan, Bulacan on 1961 at 7 years old, and I graduated grade vi 1965-6. our batch valedictorian is Ramon Laurel, with Julieta Bella, Teresa catajan Rechilda Rosales (tannery now), and Menardo I. Guevarra (of Pecabar to serapio law office), then I transferred to St. Vincent's seminary. I admit that my greatest mistake was already corrected by admin Fisherqueen who re-wrote my auto Florentino V. Floro since the Forum member president of the CEO told me that some would write about me here. But I made a mistake of editing it, so, and worst I registered 2 acounts, User:Judgefloro and the present, BUT, I told FisherQueen, that I will no longer use the first and use this. (since when I registered here, i thought it is just like forums, since I am not so learned with computers, and i am just beginning since last year). Since, I am so controversial here, especially in the corrupt philippine judiciary, and ateneo, my alma mater, whose alumni are very very corrupt in government, you know that, as proved by PERC Survey of us being the NO. 1 most corrupt in Asia. So, I wonder so much HOW in this world that my TOWN MATE and co-atenean would accuse me here, why not other wikis? How in the world that he noticed my alleged violations when there are lots of wikis here, vandalists etc. So, if you are a judge or lawyer, you will easily conclude and find without any iota of doubt that my accuser Shrumster is definately a puppet or tool of the ateneo or the courts, going after me, since, I WROTE AND EDITED HIGH PROFILE AUTOS OF COURT personalities here. As simple as that.

By the way I read you profile magkababayan pala tayo, small world, since for 15 years, my mild retarded brother Robert Floro was with the Meycauayan, Choir of Eman Dazo, Brenda, and one who is australia now, and about 15 of them, and I gave them food weekly for 2 years 2000's. Fr. Reyes was our cura ...

If ever they would ban me, they should first consider the MOTIVE behind the accusation, that is very basic in DUE PROCESS, why? Shrumster is very knowledgeable of computers and wiki, expert so to speak, and I am just a beginner, he can use all his knowhow to let me be banned. But there is such thing as RELIGIOUS BELIEF in KARMA, CURSE AND SPELL, under our Christian Bible Psalm 109 & 53, this is my only spiritual weapon against my accuser. Every midnights I CURSE HIM AND HIS FAMILY up to the 4th generation. I am fed up with corruption and hypocrisy, in the ATENEO and judiciary, and I met the proper wiki to deal with. The best defense if OFFENSE. I am at a disadvantage, he almost memorized the rules here, and i, i am groping and do know how to defend myself against his LIES.

Regards and you can contact me at judgefloro@yahoo (0927-3440957 - belen my secretary, (044) 662-8203; I made many enemies too in Meycauayan, due to so many corrupt persons there.

--Florentino floro 05:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thriller (Cebu, Philippines Inmates' Video)
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Reply:

Thanks for your kind alert and instruction. I am new here, and I want to develop this article since it is a great thing since 5 million viewers today saw this hit. Apology and I will reword it. Thanks Hoping for your kind consideration.

--Florentino floro 07:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I already edited the wrong part, and I used my own words so that no copyright will be violated. Hoping that this edit be checked so that the article stays.

Thanks. --Florentino floro 08:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Suspected sock puppets/Florentino floro
Hello, the evidence at the case listed above shows that you have used multiple accounts to edit Wikipedia, and with those accounts have edited Florentino V. Floro, an article about yourself. I have indefinitely blocked the account User:Juanatoledo from editing Wikipedia, but since it has been several weeks since you used that account, no other action will be taken against you. I strongly advise you to make sure that you do not violate WP:SOCK in the future; the best way to do this is to use only one account. --Akhilleus (talk) 22:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
I am grateful and honored to be still here, as you considered and decided justly in this case, having weighed all the evidence and my good faith. Actually, as I stated, when I registered here, due to my little knowledge of wiki rules, I used user:judgefloro, and them I registered this one, because I preferred this one and told User:FisherQueen that I would no longer use the first account; thus I consistently used this, but I committed a mistake in editing my own article and was warned by her, so I admitted the minor mistake, she re-wrote Florentino V. Floro. As to user User:Juanatoledo it is good that you blocked the account so that as I stated I do not know that one, and I submitted my own stance that many enemies and detractors had been pestering me using my name in other forums etc., and I concluded that I was used, without my knowledge.

Thanks again, and regard, good luck.

--Florentino floro 04:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Afterthoughts
Now that the closing admin has ruled on this matter, please take heed of what the admin said. The closing admin said enough about the relationship between your account and the account Juanatoledo---note that he didn't confirm your suggestion that my former classmate may have created the other account, they were simply unrelated---so I won't say anything further than that.

To avoid coming across this or any similar issue in the future, I would advise that you take time to familiarize yourself with the policy about sockpuppetry for your convenience (and, may I add, the guidelines about biographies of living persons and confict of interest), as well as taking the time to read up more about the other policies and guidelines. Don't hesitate to ask anyone if you have questions about how a particular policy should be interpreted---more often than not, WP policies are more restrictive, more confusing and more likely misinterpreted than real-life laws and ordinances.

Going forward, let's view this experience with an open mind and a level-headed point of view; many Wikipedia editors, myself included, have experienced something like this at least once in our Wiki-lifetimes, so take heart that you are not being discriminated against here. You have made many good edits---in particular, with law-related articles---so let this experience not deter you from contributing to Wikipedia, as there's lot of work to do here...which reminds me, I should go back vandal-hunting ;-) --- Tito Pao 12:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Fair enough, the Wiki admins here are really fair, just and objective; they weigh all evidences, no matter who you are or who we were, as we are all equals here. It is just that mystifying when I was sued by a co-meycauayaneno, co-atenean and co-st. mary's wikipedian. Prudence dictates that before a wiki sues or complains, he should carefully read first the contributions and the user history, before dwelling on technicalities. I cannot imagine why other wiki editors or admins here did not sue me. Just sayin and wondering. While you are not a lawyer, common sense dictates that motive and circumstantial evidence are very determinative of the case. Anyway, the case is closed and I want to contribute here to the best of my ability. Regards.

--Florentino floro 13:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

News
Hi there. Crossposting news bulletins to several different Wikipedia articles (Examples: ) is rarely a good way of improving the encyclopedia. Material copied and pasted in this way is unlikely to be suitable for every article to which it is posted, and a number of your recent additions have been removed. Remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news source or a directory of information. Just glancing at the material you added, perhaps you would consider contributing to Wikinews, a wiki which is a news source, for reporting very recent events. Thanks. — mholland (talk) 12:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Reply:

Thanks for the NOTE, actually I am new here, and I want to learn. I will follow your suggestion next time. It is ok for any member here to revise my edits since this will improve wikipedia articles, by TIME I will learn more.

Regards.

--Florentino floro 12:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Just a reminder: if and when you decide to also contribute to Wikinews, you will need to create another account. For now, it's not possible to use your current WP on other Wikipedia-related sites because of technical limitations, but there is a study being made by WP's developers to make this possible. Just to be sure, if you register your other Wikimedia accounts, spell your user name *exactly* as you created it here...same spacing/punctuations and case (take note of the capital/lower case letters that you have on your user name). Thanks --- Tito Pao 23:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. But I do not see any value in joining the wikinews yet. It is just news, and it is better here, it is so neutral, we are all the same as you said, and no one can even alter or delete my edits unless violative of the rules. My favorites are jurists here and first news like thriller, etc. There is a gray area between what is an encyclopedia and news, for which reason, there are some members here who would decide to edit my copy paste contributions to many related articles as you read above, but I consider the suggestion good. So, I leave members here to delete or edit my work if they feel the same redundant or wiki news.

By the way you have not answered my question

is it worth wasting time to contribute to WikiPilipinas, it is so incomplete and maybe underman. Just asking your advice.

--Florentino floro 04:45, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, there's actually a lot of work to be done over at WikiPilipinas. A lot of their articles (and images) are copied from here and you can help by finding which articles they've forked over from Wikipedia and tagging the respective WikiPilipinas article with the template. Shrumster 01:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello,

Actually, when I created WikiPilipinas the day after I viewed it on GMA-7, I knew that it had just been born, small yet so to speak. So, I contributed the next days, after I registered. The problem maybe is time: I spend 10 full hours to contribute here. Many Wikipedians are so fast in getting the news first, and it is hard to edit a good one here. With all due respect, maybe, I want to wait if the Filipino Wiki would really be there since I want to wait and see. I notice that WikiPilipinas is by Vibal Publishing a big one here. I want to go to their office to look around. Thanks for your invitation, and thanks for improving the article I created, you had too many good additions there. I want to contribute here many good articles, like the Writ of Amparo that will be issued by Reynato Puno soon. And creating one article takes many hours. I spent about 5 hours for Butanding. Anyway, many of you veteran Wiki Filipinos can just copy paste my major edits and works here, just suggesting, to make WikiPilipinas achieve its target of 300,000 entries it announced (since I am just new to this, in fact, often I make mistakes in checking minor edits and I was corrected, look below). Also, when I edit one article I was also corrected not to copy paste it to other autos or articles that are not related but there is a GREY area on this. Regards.

--Florentino floro 04:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Minor edits
Please remember to mark your edits as minor when (and only when) they genuinely are minor edits (see Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one (and vice versa) is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearranging of text without modifying content should be flagged as a 'minor edit.'  MastCell Talk 18:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Reply:

Thanks for the message. I think I committed this error often, since I was lazy to read about minor edits. I want to learn more, so thanks you so much.

--Florentino floro 05:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

ancient honey bees
Hi. I moved this text to the one article where it is appropriate: the page for Apis mellifera (Western honey bee). The information is interesting, but does not apply to any other species. Dyanega 08:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, thanks, it is very unique really: biblical perhaps.

--Florentino floro 08:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

News articles
Hi - I must urge you to avoid linking to news articles in health-related articles. Reporting about medical research is generally abysmal, and Wikipedia should be quoting the research directly (with references to the academic journal in question) rather than regurgitate the speculations by newspaper journalists who are generally not trained in critial appraisal of scientific studies. See WP:MEDRS for details.

The news article you added to obesity discusses research performed in flies and mice. It is almost impossible to say whether this will be replicated in humans, and the news article is therefore of no relevance whatsoever, despite what the researcher claims in the news article.

What I sometimes do (and encourage others to do) is leave a note on an article's talk page, so regular editors can discuss whether this may be worthwhile to include. Sometimes it turns out news articles were wrong, or the research was discredited, etc. I hope this makes sense. Let me know what you think. JFW | T@lk  13:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I am enlightened by your scholarly penned suggestion. I admit that some science or health articles are not really approved or command world nod by the health or scientific community. For which reason, I deem it proper for more erudite members on this health line, to edit, amend or delete what I did add, since my backround is law and was judge. But I had some units of sciences in the Ateneo de Manila. Thanks and I hope in the future, I will learn more about how to contribue to this great encyclopedia. --Florentino floro 15:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Yet, you added more news material to rosiglitazone. Could you please follow up to my suggestion and add news articles to the talk pages? You would probably agree that the popular press may misrepresent the legal process, and that editors with expertise in the field should review material.

Medical scholarly articles are very easy to identify. When you read the interview, the main researcher(s) are usually quoted. If you go to http://www.pubmed.gov and search for "Surname IN" (where IN are the initials), the studies in question usually surface quickly. JFW | T@lk  21:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again. I stand corrected and suggest that more experienced editors in the medical or health field add, amend or edit and delete my GREY area on health additions. Often, it is very hard for us non-medical people (I am a lawyer and judge) to carefully distinguish this. In fact I would give you an example in the case of Raul Gonzalez (Philippines) who was reported by media to have successfully undergone Kidney transplantation. And of course I have to add that even if I know that that is far from accurate since at 76, rejection is great. But TV reporters are communication experts not medical people. That is the beauty of Wikipedia as encyclopedia, where more experienced editors are encouraged to amend our own edits, for better creation of stubs and development of good articles. I will be happy if you would help re-edit my edits on expert subjects. Regards.

--Florentino floro 05:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted your edit to Cat While the cats home may be interesting to you, it is not notable - there are many, many larger cats homes in the world. If it is notable for other reasons, then it would be appropriate in its own page, not in Cat.

Ok, it is not really notable, just interesting.

--Florentino floro 10:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Categories for your user page
Hi Florentino floro

I have just edited your user page to remove it from a number of categories in what is called "mainspace", such as Category:Religion. These categories are only for articles in mainspace, which basically means pages which have information that are part of the encyclopedia. They are easily recognised because they do not begin with "Prefix:", such as "Wikipedia:" or "User:". For more info, see What is an article?.

There are many categories which you can use to categorise your userpage, all of which may be found under Category:Wikipedians. You had already used some of those, and I have not removed them; if you browse Category:Wikipedians, you will find many more which you may use as appropriate.

Hope this helps! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:11, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, for visiting my page. I had been again all over the net yesterday due to Wall Street Journal's James Hookway In the Philippines, Ex-Judge Consults Three Wee Friends *. And about 5 blogs and news on this popped up on my Google alert. Regards.

--Florentino floro 13:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Philippines
please don't just dump chunks of text onto articles, as you have a number of times recently. If there is something specific to that article just add that, not a load of unrelated material. Jimfbleak 14:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the message. Actually, I wanted to limit the specie, but, I changed my mind, since even if it is seemingly repetitive, these Philippine rare discoveries which may mean BIG money to specie treasure hunters and collectors, may FOR SURE bumped on my post, attributing to Wikipedia as encyclopedia of discovery. My POINT is: this gma news tv report is unknown in the world, unlike Reuters etc. So, if those interested in collecting this especially the international groups, how can they google this gma news tv report. Regards and please do edit or amend my additions if they are quite poorly written, with all due respect. --Florentino floro 15:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Jim. The international conservation groups already know about this information; they don't need to search for the information on websites. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I Note with all due respect your comments. Next time, I will just try to edit or add news and bits that are more relevant or notable to the auto or article. God bless.

--Florentino floro 05:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Linking
A bit of advice on linking between articles on Wikipedia ("wikifying"): it's considered best to not link something more than once in an article (link only the first occurring mention), and to not link things that aren't substantially associated with the topic (this way the writing isn't filled with links for every other word, only those likely to be useful to readers). Everyking 10:05, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the guide, I had been quite new here, and am so open to more tips on how to make wiki better, best wishes.

--Florentino floro 10:07, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Skinks on Mt Pangasugan
I read the your additions to the skinks article with interest. Mt Pangasugan seems to be a quite amazing ecosystem. When I tried to find out more about it, I went to the Baybay City page and found the same text again. I think perhaps the mountain deserves its own wikipedia article, and the text could go there once, and not have to be repeated in multiple pages. Are you interested in creating such an article? If not, I could create it, it's just that I don't know very much about Mt Pangasugan. maxsch 04:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh thanks so much for visiting my page. Actually, when I sit and do edits on wiki, i opened all the most important web news like msnbc, reuters, google news, and later, philippine news. So I found this Mt. about shrinks. Actually, due to stress often I had little time to read the articles for I spend about 10 hours daily for Wikipedia (you know it is first discover of news then you get it ahead of other editors. I want to create more articles on law since this is my line I am a judge. Incidentally, I created Butanding but it is because I found it easy due to the links. I want to create articles with very many links. For me, it is not the quantity but quality. I don't like to create stubs for others to improve. The problem with many beautiful articles like this Mt. Pangusugan, there are no links verifiable, so it will not be wiki quality. In fact, related to this, I want to create history of Plaridel since I am here in Bulacan. A neighbor would publish a history of this town and I have the tagalog language long word typed about it. But no english; and NO LINKS. So, I wonder how I can created Plaridel without inquirer etc links. You better be the one to create it. And I will appreciate. I need more time to create law articles that is really needed by our lawyers and justices here like the Writ of Amparo and Habeas Data (Philippines) that i created with many links. In fact, all the writs in law are in wikipedia, but WIKIPEDIA never had writ of amparo. So, this is my historical contribution. God bless. (Hope you read my sad story, I caught global attention due to my JOBLESS judge case. I am proud of Wiki since it is neutral, unlike our laws which are so good, but due to corruption and hypocrisy, are not implemented but abused. This is what happened to me. And by being here, with my contributions, I perhaps, dream that my STORY would also be read by the world and never forgotten - I had been interviewed 2 days by James Hookway of Wall Street Journal. He knows the truth of my case.

--Florentino floro 07:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I made a Mt Pangasugan article if you would like to see it. I made some minor edits to the text you had put on the skink and Baybay City pages and now it is all on the Mt Pangasugan page. I hope you like it.maxsch 21:58, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much, it is a great contribution, about a great mountain still so virgin that it is virtually unknown. I remember now, that I edit this mount from the abs-cbn news which you used as reference. As you will read above, my case on sockpuppet, etc., I am very careful now to create articles which have few verifiable links, in fact my thriller was almost deleted for copyright violations, while my first writ of amparo was deleted and I made another. Wikipedia is very neutral. So, I wanted to create this mount article as you suggested, but I could not find any wiki allowed links or uls like AP reuters etc. So, I am afraid that if I will make it, I will be criticized. Thus, if you read the discussion, Tito Pao commented on the confusion. I admit that the Abs-cbn link that you and I pasted are not so reliable enough. It was made by a journalist. Even in health edits I was twice asked to be careful to cite studies which are not verifiable.

So, I suggest that to defend your articel on this Mt., you may need to get xerox copies of authorities for the national library, for UP or Ateneo filipiniana library. In that manner, your article can be classed well.

Thanks, and God bless.

--Florentino floro 06:33, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to Myanmar
Hi. In this edit to Myanmar you introduced a 10-line sentence that was composed entirely of news headlines. I've googled each separate clause in the sentence and found a headline to match. Please be aware that, aside from the stylistic problems such a run-on sentence poses, this is also copyright infringement. Also, Google News search results are not an appropriate source for anything. Natalie 19:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. I stand corrected, for I previously pondered that google search might be a short-cut. Regards.

--Florentino floro 05:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to Jeopardy!
Yesterday, you added under "Special Cases" for Jeopardy! a win by a girl on Jeopardy! Kids Week. I removed it because it is not considered a special case at all, it was simply a typical win. Please make sure that what you edit next time pertains to the section in question. Thank you. crazyviolinist 17:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. Just that I thought it was exceptional. Regards.

--Florentino floro 15:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews
Hi, thanks for the help in the Ayala Center cleanup. By the way would you be interested in working with Wikinews? I don't edit there myself but your edits seems to focus more on breaking news so I think you can do part time editing there as well.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting my page. Actually, I devoted 10 hours daily on Wikipedia as you can see my contributions. However, these days, I had to make an inventory of the 125 forums (among others) that reported my case and I joined since april 2006 when I was googled. So just this week I spent 5 days to summarize all the pics on my case and I uploaded them on one of my 6 blog, so I could hardly contribute here. Then, I have to respond to more than 50 forums who replied to my posts in about 60 forums. But later on I might be able to have time. Regards, and God Bless. I just saw the terrible blast and as of this hour there are 8 killed, and 129 hurt in Makati mall blast. So, I contributed there. Let's pray that our country be at peace and should repent. We hope that we will have a NEW LEADER to avert more pains.

--Florentino floro 14:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I removed the casualty lists on Ayala Center and Glorietta since the information is already in place in the main article. You don't actually need to state the information on different articles. Just make a short summary in the related article and add   to that related article. If the reader wants more information regarding the other article, s/he can simply click on the provided link.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:52, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I also want to state, that, perhaps, the names of the dead should not be included in the main article, since if the links are opened they are there, those who suffered like the parents and relatives might find it more painful to have the names of their loved ones in enumerated

just a suggestion.

--Florentino floro 07:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Manila Peninsula Mutiny
Since you are a lawyer can please tell User:Howard the Duck that what happened last Thursday was a rebellion and not mutiny, besides the charges where rebellion against the state don't you think Rizalninoynapoleon 02:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, Sir, I had read a Wiki thing, somewhere in the talk pages, but I can't remember, and I believe this is true: they say that in WikiPedia, whether you or we are Bush or Queen Beatrix, CIA or Vatican (who were all caught changing / editing the articles, by the WikiScanner), we are all the same, or on par, except that they said - that there is a new scanner which reveals if a User or anonymous user is established (meaning, if that user's contributions are seldom altered or corrected or if that User would not violate Wiki rules).

Meaning therefore, we all have to respect each other here. In fact if you read my talk pages, I had been often corrected by users who are medical experts when I edit or add USA news on health researches which really promote the medicines but are not really so objective.

I joined this discussion on the section Title Mutiny, but I have nothing personal against Howard Duck or others there, since I am just voicing my sentiment and emotional outburst against those who caused INJUSTICE to me, making me jobless til today. Thus, I submitted the REASON, that the title must be changed (as they and not me begun the section on TITLE) to Rebellion or (inciting to) Sedition, for sub-reasons a) WikiPedia in no uncertain terms, and I am not speaking as a lawyer but as Wiki User - Wiki defined the meanings of these 2 terms and Siege; clearly Mutiny under those 3 articles, nor siege and can aptly title the event; b) then, last night and the other night I watched TV, and of course here I added tons of links regarding the CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS called inquest which we borrowed from California Federal Rules of Service, now our 1997 Revised Rules of Court, where the DOJ per Emmananuel Velasco took jurisdiction at Crame on Indictments here called Informations or charges in layman's terms, of REBELLION (or since I had not seen the sheets, Inciting to Sedition, as DOJ Sec. Raul Gonzales announced on TV.

But of course, it would not be fair to the creator of this article to just change the title from Mutiny to Rebellion without the scholarly talk on this. Clearly therefore, even a first year student of law, comprehends that our penal or criminal laws do provide for crime or felony of MUTINY only when it happens in the high seas or on ships by the crew, but not in armed or unarmed uprising, whether Treason, Rebellion or Sedition, Inciting to Sedition, and Coup d'etat.

Final Note: what is beautiful in WikiPedia is the vast power of an established WikiPedian User to add and edit where others cannot. Like in my own article where I was almost banned here Florentino V. Floro, and my User:Florentino floro I cannot just edit those and members can mercilessly edit these, as I was many times warned. But the contents thereof are not accurate in law and fact, since the links and international reports came for the 75 pages decision which is total LIE, since I do not suffer mental illness nor consult Dwarves *

--Florentino floro 07:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Italics
Can you refrain from adding italics between quotation marks? It's unsightly. Thanks. -- Howard  the   Duck  07:54, 1 December 2007 (UTC)  Thanks, I thought the italics should be used for quotes; may I ask therefore, what is the use of Italics if you may, in WikiPedia.

--Florentino floro 08:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Mostly for non-English words and titles - examples: et cetera, Star Wars. You can read WP:MOS for more... If the quotation is very long or is very important you can use lquote. -- Howard  the   Duck  08:37, 1 December 2007 (UTC)  Thanks again, I really found that only I myself was using Italics in quotes, so my mistake.

--Florentino floro 09:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK
--Florentino floro 06:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Gratitude
Thanks so much for your kindness. I hope my Philippine articles will be read and cited not only by students but professors of law, inter alia. Our very own Coconut charcoal (unique and awarded by Philippine BiD) and the 23 year legal saga of Rita Milla (abused by 7 priests, not duplicated in LA history) which I both created, for sure, would be read by Filipinos.

--Florentino floro 05:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Coconut healing oil
Hello! I just wanted to let you know more in-depth why this article you recently created was redirected to coconut oil. The first and largest issue was that a lot of the information was copied and pasted from various internet pages. Though it might have not been your intention, this represents multiple copyright violations. Wikipedia is unable to accept copyrighted material. Other problems with the article included non-reliable sources such as the internet sites you referenced, verifiability issues, and possible original research since I see that a large majority of the article was posted elsewhere to webforum by a user with a similar username as yours (I assume it was you; if it wasn't, it would have been a copyright violation anyway). The links I've provided represent Wikipedia policies and guidelines. I suggest you read through them. If you have any questions, you can reply here or on my talk page. Kind regards, Rkitko (talk) 18:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Please do not add copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. --Rkitko (talk) 18:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The same goes for Rita Milla. While she is notable, most of the text was in violation of copyright from the sources (mostly this one). Even though it was reworded slightly, it was still in violation of copyright. Please remember to write in your own words and use references as only references and not sources of sentences, phrases, or cotent. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 20:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Reply: Thanks, sir, for your message. I will re-read the article, I will edit the same, and with due regard to copyright laws, I will shorten it, amend it, and use my own words using the links. I just wanted to make it long, since, here in the Philippines, many internet are so slow to open, hence opening the links would be too slow, hence, I copied some or about 15% and quoted words from the site. HENCE, I will amend IT and use my own words. Sincerely, and please check it and message me if there is a need for further amendment.

--Florentino floro (talk) 06:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * See below for a response. --Rkitko (talk) 14:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Query
Can I rewrite both articles and use same images from WikiPedia Commons which was approved there which I uploaded since there are no other better pictures. Second, I registered in Commons and the username I used is Judgefloro http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Judgefloro I am Florentino V. Floro, and as I repeatedly stated, I had just learned computer last year May, 2006. I browsed through the internet, and it is very hard really to find many articles on both coconut charcoal and coconut healing oil, since what I found are articles from sellers here and abroad, and some in Sri Lanka specifically. But these 2 articles are very important articles, since main article Coconut and Coconut oil do not deal with these charcoals and healing oil in depth. So, I want to re-create and re-write these 2 article in the light of my own country I want to create theses as:

a) Philippine coconut charcoal and b) Philippine coconut healing oil, we have the VCO and the traditional heat pressed ones.

If you have no objection, I will re-write and re-created them following your above-guidelines. Sincerely

--Florentino floro (talk) 06:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your messages. I appreciate that you're going to try and follow the guidelines and policies regarding copyright in the future. There were other concerns about the articles beyond copyright violations. They had very few, if any, reliable sources. Most of the information was derived from personal or company websites. Information from those sources cannot typically be trusted since they often push a single point of view, may be incorrect, and aren't very verifiable. Reliable sources can include printed news, peer-reviewed academic journals, academic books on the subject, etc. Company and personal websites are not held to the standards that news outlets and academic sources are and are therefore not reliable. I would steer clear of them, though might be able to mention that these products are sold commercially. Also, if your articles are going to make medical claims, it should adhere to WP:MEDMOS and WP:MEDRS, the latter being guidelines for medical reliable sources.
 * The images that you had on the pages should be fine, unless they were also in violation of copyright. I had a very quick look through and couldn't find any problems with them, so I'd say you're ok to use them. I would steer clear from making these articles entirely about the Philippines. Wikipedia traditionally values articles that present a worldwide view. Perhaps it would be wise to begin working on your articles in a user subpage, something like User:Florentino floro/Coconut, which can then be moved elsewhere. If you can't find many reliable sources and therefore can't write a very large article, I would suggest we keep these topics as subsections of their appropriate articles (coconut oil for the medicinal properties or uses of the oil and perhaps coconut or charcoal for the coconut charcoal?). I hope I've answered all your questions. Please let me know if you have any more concerns. I also might be able to help you gain access to a couple academic sources. I frequently make trips to the large university libraries around here. You can do a search for academic articles at Google Scholar. Narrow down the search with your topic items and if you see any good titles and abstracts, write them down and check your local university libraries to see if they carry those journal titles. That's one of the best ways to find reliable sources. You can also use WorldCat to search for journal titles, books, etc. in libraries near you. Hope these resources help. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 14:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

May I re-write a CONSOLIDATED ARTICLE on "VIRGIN COCONUT AND HEALING OIL & COCONUT CHARCOAL
Reply: Thanks for your kindness. I admire your professionalism and interest in helping us users to edit properly in the light of global copyright laws. Sad to say, our Philippine copyright law was recently born and was copied from foreign laws. I know that WikiPedia is global. But, with all due respect, if I re-write these 2 coco articles globally, I will find problem with references which AGAIN would be commercial biased and not verifiable. So, may I ask your KINDNESS, to let me re-write these 2 re-directed articles limited to Philippines but I will retain its global outlook like including Sri Lanka and USA charcoal of the future. I admit that laziness was the root cause of my alleged copyright violations. In the following article I created which is one of the best worldwide due to the millions of Youtube views on this inmates thing, I lazily used more words from the links instead of using my own words, thus the article was NOT re-directed and deleted but it was re-written. Thriller (Cebu, Philippines Inmates' Video)  As of now I contributed so much of my time (10 hours a day for WikiPedia); I might not convince you to believe that here in the Philippines very very few judges and justices touch computer. Justice Callejo and Sandoval Gutierrez, whom I know, write court decisions using mannual typewriter and handwriting, respectively. I learned computer forcibly when I became world-famous since april 6, 2006. . I was almost banned here in the suckpoppet case, but I won the case, in view of my good faith and defense. As of today from just recently, this is my contribution: Number of edits: 1,855; If you review my contributions I worked hard to create articles which I think will benefit our nation and the world, the students and researchers: * Gregory S. Ong - Sandiganbayan Justice * Teresita De Castro - Presiding Justice of the Sandiganbayan * Antonio Z. Atienza, Jr. - Noted Philippine Jeweler * Thriller (Cebu, Philippines Inmates' Video)  * Butanding - Philippine Whale Shark * Regino C. Hermosisima, Jr. - Philippine Supreme Court Justice * WikiPilipinas * March Tian Boedihardjo * The Joseph Estrada Verdict * Joey Marquez * Writ of Amparo and Habeas Data (Philippines) * Coconut Charcoal * Gamet: Philippine Black Gold and deleted (Rita Milla)

You will notice that even if, my articles created are almost all, concerning Philippines, still, they are notable, and the world can share what they did contribute to jewelry, rule of law etc. Yes, it seems they are Filipino articles, but WITH all due respect, they all have GLOBAL impact, great contributions to WikiPedia.

I admit that in coconut charcoal, a Filipino user did write deleted Kingsgrill his own charcoal factory for reasons of advertisement. But I have nothing to do with that. I am a healing judge, GIFTED, and I cannnot even sell my OIL since it is a gift. For which reason, I want the world globally to benefit from it not only from a medical or alternative medicine point of view but culturally, religiously, etc. Healing Oil And here Virgin Coconut Oil and heat-pressed coconut oil had cured so many people and the golden oil which CANNOT BE SOLD due to being a GIFT had been used here since ancient times. Give me a chance to RE-write them a) using my own words, b) using limited and verifiable resources c) and the images from WIKIPEDIA COMMONS to enhance this article, I want all my articles to be colorful etc. d) reliable sources - printed news, peer-reviewed academic journals, academic books on the subject, etc.

I want to learn I want to write articles which are landmark, notable and unique (like Butanding), so help me. But please do not expect me to support my article with 100% reliable links, but at the very least, I can submit thereat, NEUTRAL links which are verifiable and written by experts with Ph.D.'s on the subject. The mere fact that some claims on VCO had been challenged by soya oil does not make the same unverifiable, this is a grey area. I spent one whole week researching on these coconut healing oil and charcoal, so, I ask your KINDNESS to give me a chance.

In my experience in healing since 1999, Philippine heat-pressed coconut oil had cured many incurable but there is no link. WHY? I wrote our DOST and Coconut Authority, I was told that if they will allow the ancient traditional heat-pressed oil, VCO business will collapse. For humanitarian reasons, and GLOBAL benefits, allow me to write again this article:

Philippine Virgin and Healing Coconut Oil and Coconut Charcoal or titled Virgin and Healing Coconut Oil and Coconut Charcoal (Philipines) or Virgin Coconut Oil, Healing Oil and Coconut Charcoal (Philipines)

Parenthetically, the title may be changed and metamorphosedly developed like this: Manila Peninsula rebellion from mutiny etc. If you have no objection, I will spend about 10 hours on this CONSOLIDATED article, and I will re-create them.

Sincerely, --Florentino floro (talk) 05:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You gave me quite a bit to respond to! But I will keep my reply brief. A few things:


 * 1) You don't need my permission to start an article, but it is sometimes a good idea to check with other users for their opinions. I'm just another editor here :-)
 * 2) As long as your articles follow the policies and guidelines, there should be no problem. A review of WP:RS, WP:NPOV, and WP:V would be a good idea if you haven't already. Your articles were formatted nicely with in-line references, images, and headings, so no problems there.
 * 3) It seems you're very passionate about these topics. While that's not a bad thing, it can be very hard to write encyclopedia articles from a neutral point of view.
 * 4) The original titles you used should be ok. The reason I mentioned a worldwide view is I didn't know if this was a regional phenomenon/usage or not. The title does not need to reflect that. I still have a concern that "coconut healing oil" might not be the most descriptive. If you can manage a large-ish article, you might want to consider medical properties of coconut oil if what you produce won't fit into a subheading of coconut oil (though you should still use summary style for a small section in coconut oil that links to your new article).
 * 5) I would encourage you to use a user sandbox as I suggested above (e.g. User:Florentino floro/Coconut) so you can work out the kinks of the article before placing it on Wikipedia "live". And there's no requirement or guideline for this, but I'd appreciate a notice when you've finished so I can review the article and perhaps give you a couple constructive pointers. Again, though, you don't need to do that, but I'd appreciate it!
 * I think I answered all of your questions and concerns. If you have any more, please feel free to contact me. Kind regards, Rkitko (talk) 14:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I am so thankful for your long reply to my problems. And this is the first time because of you, that I learned that I must use short and my own words. Actually, my edits in WikiPedia are long, since our Internet here is so slow so I decided to edit in a rather long fashion. However, copyright laws here and worldwide differ and there are gray areas. I submit that 5-10% and/or quoting statements are good enough and copying more than that is copyright violation. Now, my passion is law and I am here to contribute on this department (as you can view my 1,800 edits); I am afraid to edit medical news or health news, since I received some messages from medical experts users traversing my edits (since I thought that BBC etc. news on health and medicine are reliable, but most of them are just studies or researches). I just created coconut articles due to the BOOM of VCO from Philippines to the world, and the quick lite charcoal that also is getting a big cake of the world market, due to our Philippine BiD livelihood contest recently where coconut charcoal won. JUST THAT. I also consulted a Filipino administrator here from Valencia, Negros, here, where VCO is growing for export. User:TheCoffee gave me the same advise as yours - proper references, that's all. So, I researched yesterday and would clean up all the commercial references, there, and I will stick to your guidelines of neutrality and Wiki reliable references. After creation of the new article, then, I will put in its talk page my explanation and I will send you a message forthwith. Thanks, and Happy New Year 2008. Regards

--Florentino floro (talk) 04:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Florentino, thank you for the notification of the new article. I just wanted to drop by and concur with the users below regarding citations. You're still using the same references that we told you were not reliable. There's also still copyright violation problems. To illustrate this, the following paragraph is from your article:
 * Once mistakenly thought to be bad because of its saturated fat content, coconut oil is now known to contain a unique form of saturated fat that actually helps prevent heart disease, stroke, and hardening of the arteries. The saturated fat in coconut oil is unlike the fat found in meat or other vegetable fats. It is identical to a special group of fats found in human breast milk which have been shown to improve digestion, strengthen the immune system, and protect against bacterial, viral, and fungal infections. These fats, derived from coconut oil, are now routinely used in hospital IV formulations and commercial baby formulas. They're also used in sports drinks to boost energy and enhance athletic performance. Coconut oil does not - blood cholesterol level, promote platelet stickiness which leads to blood clot formation, contribute to atherosclerosis or heart disease, promote cancer or any other degenerative disease and does not contribute to weight problems.
 * The following is from the copyrighted, non-reliable source you gave:
 * Once mistakenly thought to be bad because of its saturated fat content, coconut oil is now known to contain a unique form of saturated fat that actually helps prevent heart disease, stroke, and hardening of the arteries. The saturated fat in coconut oil is unlike the fat found in meat or other vegetable fats. It is identical to a special group of fats found in human breast milk which have been shown to improve digestion, strengthen the immune system, and protect against bacterial, viral, and fungal infections. These fats, derived from coconut oil, are now routinely used in hospital IV formulations and commercial baby formulas. They're also used in sports drinks to boost energy and enhance athletic performance. What coconut oil does not do: Does not increase blood cholesterol level, Does not promote platelet stickiness which leads to blood clot formation, Does not contribute to atherosclerosis or heart disease, Does not promote cancer or any other degenerative disease, Does not contribute to weight problems. (from )
 * Compare the two. This is not just "quoting". This is blatant copyright violation, unchanged from the earlier version of your article. I can understand being a little unfamiliar with copyright law, especially since you don't live in the United States, which is the copyright law Wikipedia has to follow since its servers are based here. We did, however, provide you with links to the pertinent Wikipedia policy on copyrights. And I cautioned you that you must use your own words. If you would be so kind as to respond that you do understand the following Wikipedia policies and guidelines: WP:RS, WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:COPY. I know the guidelines and policies can be a bit overwhelming at first, but they exist for good reasons. I have deleted the article for the same reasons we redirected the first. Please do review the guidelines and policies, especially on copyrights. I saw nearly no change whatsoever from the older version, which was almost entirely a copyright violation. Taking text from other websites and placing it on Wikipedia is unacceptable. I hope you understand. As always leave me a note if you have any questions or concerns. Kind regards, Rkitko (talk) 13:43, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Given the existence of articles like coconut oil and charcoal, consider adding sections to those individual articles. Currently coconut oil does not have a section on 'medicinal uses' and I'd say the section on Coconut oil is short enough to expand.  However, if you are adding information on this, the appropriate sources are peer-reviewed journals and statements by major health bodies, not company websites or anywhere that profits from the sale of coconut oil.  If there are websites that cite sources, consider using the source cited rather than the website itself.  Similarly, charcoal has a section on Charcoal which could be expanded to include coconut charcoal, with a similar caveat - though this would not be a medical claim, the best source for information like this is not company websites.  Though in this case, there may not be many reliable sources, so the best choice would be the most neutral, least self-promoting and self-serving ones available (a derivation of WP:SPS).  For that matter, if you discuss and find consensus for it it on the relevant talk pages, you may be able to post unsourced information based solely on your own knowledge, though this could be removed by subsequent editors who do not feel it is appropriate.
 * Also, consider the international context of the articles. If referring to virgin cocounut oil as VCO is found only in the Philippines, it may not be best to use the term in mainspace pages and instead use prose or something internationally recognizable.  On the other hand, if the Philippines is a world leader or notable for their use, research on and distribution of coconut oil, it may warrant a separate section.
 * Incidentally, your comment above (I am a healing judge, GIFTED, and I cannnot even sell my OIL since it is a gift) suggests that you may be involved in the production or distribution of coconut oil; even if it's not for profit, WP:COI is something to keep in mind. Your intentions seem to be good, but there may be better choices for how to post the information on wikipedia.  WLU (talk) 14:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Philippine Virgin Coconut and Heat-Pressed Healing Oils
I created this article and line by line, I supported each paragraphs with objective, neutral and reliable sources. Hence, I removed from the old re-directed article, the commercial links, now limiting my sources to scholarly and Philippine government news, reports, and of course international researches studies and bibliographies. The images were all taken from WikiPedia Commons to enhance the article.

I chose the title in this manner, but the same may be changed by administrators, but I opted this title since the Philippines is one of the largest producers of this oil and VCO did shock the world in terms of sales, health benefits and global impact.

--Florentino floro (talk) 10:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll be reviewing the page today. WLU (talk) 12:22, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Random websites and pages for companies that sell products are not valid sources for claims about the medical benefits of anything. Medical claims should be sourced to peer-reviewed journals per WP:MEDRS.  This very much looks like a POV-fork for coconut healing oils.  Please learn how to use citation templates and a better use of the reference tags to avoid an unnecessarily long list of references when there is an enormous amount of duplication.  Please read WP:RS and WP:V - claims can't be sourced to random, unreferenced websites, particularly when that website sells that same product.  Please also look into WP:NAME - Philippine Virgin Coconut and Heat-Pressed Healing Oils is far too long, improperly capitalized, contains multiple subjects and is essentially a duplication of coconut healing oils with some extra words appended to it.  Also, linking coconuts to a specific country when their range spans a large part of the world seems bizarre and unduly POV.  Please include a separate references section for unlinked text and a footnotes section for inline citations, link the journal articles to pubmed numbers (easily done with pubmed/isbn this tool and www.pubmed.org) and review WP:EL - links should NOT include advertisers and companies selling products, and should not duplicate links used as references).   WLU (talk) 12:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * That last part was a bit "bitey", the use of citation templates is not obligatory though it is helpful, footnotes or 'reference tags' on the other hand are definitely the best way to sort references and keep a stable format. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  12:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I get frustrated when I have to take a fair amount of time to remove copyvios, OR and other problems, eventually redirecting an entire page, then it gets recreated as a POV fork. Floro is not a noob and citation templates are absurdly easy to generate using diberry's tool.  The use of company websites to add health information is not a minor error and should not be repeated.  These are basic mistakes, and after 2000 edits if Floro is not aware of this, he should be.  WLU (talk) 12:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not contending the accuracy of your comment but the attitude in wich it was presented, I have encountered similar and worst situations and I know the frustration that they carry (hey just yesterday the owner of a record label threatened to sue me for following policy) but we need to keep a cool head, especially for those editors that present patterns that may 'annoy' us. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  12:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think it was bitey at all. Stern, yes. But I see friendly language like "please" and a suggestion on how to go about implementing possible changes. Regardless, I deleted the new article as it was relatively unchanged from its copyright violation incarnation at Coconut healing oil. Same sections and paragraphs that were taken directly from copyrighted, non-reliable sources. Rkitko (talk) 13:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

With all due respect, since I had tried my best to re-write the article, and I did notify you, let me stress, that I added neutral and Philippine Government news on this like Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo's official acts, and our very own news printed materials and I eliminated practically all those sites that sell VCO. Now, Bruce Fife is Philippine Director here. At any rate, I suggest that instead of deleting it, I request that WITH KINDNESS (so that this article and the healing benefits including job and livelihood opportunities may be shared nationally here and globally especially to poor developed countries that have rich sources of coconuts / oils, like Sri Lanka). As lawyer and judge my passion here is to contribute to the judicial departments of rule of law and law, law personalities here and topics or articles. But this healing coconut oil caught our Philippine attention. I think, like in the case of my cited case of Thriller (Cebu, Philippines Inmates' Video) which I made but later edited and amended but retained to conform to WikiPedia policies, I HOPE that, since you cited the Wiki rules, then Please KINDLY re-write the article in accordance therewith if WIKI allows, if not then, I rest my case. The article on coconut healing oil is so technical that a poor lawyer and judge may not with ALL GOOD FAITH and all efforts re-write it in accordance with your suggestions. Respectfully,

--Florentino floro (talk) 04:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sir, unfortunately I cannot restore your article. We had warned you several times regarding copyright violations and yet you took no time to remove them or write them in your own words when you recreated it. If you'd like, you can bring the issue to deletion review for other editors to look at. I appreciate the few new references, but you still heavily relied on non-reliable sources (or rather, took information from these non-reliable sources and copied them for your article). Regarding a rewrite, unfortunately restoring the article to allow you to write it in your own words is still in violation of copyright. And to be quite honest, I do not have the time to rewrite your article for you. I would gladly answer your questions and provide help where needed, but if this is your passion and you want a respectable, reliable, non-copyrighted article on the subject on Wikipedia, then you must work hard to accomplish it. Creating articles on Wikipedia is hard work! One of my best, protocarnivorous plant, took me months to gather the references and write it, for example. I do hope you understand the reasons for the policies. Kind regards, Rkitko (talk) 13:22, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, sir, I do understand your position. And I accept I lost, I will not appeal to the deletion review by other editors since I respect you. I will not re-write the article, since you said it will be violation of copyright, and if in my own words, then no reliable source. WHAT I PROPOSE TO DO, is to write and not re-write an article on this Virgin Coconut Oil (Philippines) concentrating just on the news about it like Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, our Philippine Director Bruce Fife, and I will not write about items with links from sellers. But frankly, I do not know how to use sandbox, I am sorry, and I am afraid to make mistake, I might be banned here if I upload suddenly. But I had no problem with using SHOW PREVIEW, I had no accident using SAVE PAGE when I am not ready. Hence, if you have no more objection, I will write a new article simply Virgin Coconut Oil (Philippines) thusly, using the links you said "I appreciate the few new references", thats all SIR, Regards, and Merry Christmas.--Florentino floro (talk) 04:19, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I do think you could create a viable article on this topic. You just need to work hard at locating the reliable sources and then write an article in your own words using those sources as references. Like you said, focus on the news sources. But do make sure you write in a neutral point of view and if the article is going to make medical claims, try to follow WP:MEDMOS and WP:MEDRS. Creating your own user subpage or sandbox is easy! Click on a red link like User:Florentino floro/Virgin coconut oil and edit it like you would a regular article. Nothing else to it! What you're effectively doing is creating an article in what we call user space here on Wikipedia. A lot of people do this to make sure they get everything right before they move the article to the main article space. But of course all of the policies still apply for user subpages. That is to say make sure you don't copy information from a website or source and then rewrite it. Consider doing that offline (in a word processor, perhaps) so that you don't violate copyrights by publishing that information on Wikipedia. I hope all this makes sense. If any of it doesn't, by all means ask and I will try to explain again and help you along the way. Best, Rkitko (talk) 01:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks again Rkitko for your professional and kind message. That is why, I contribute to WikiPedia, since, here, whether your are a magistrate, a street guy or even Queen Beatrix, CIA or Vatican user, we are all equals of course, under you as Administrator/s. Unlike in our corrupt courts and the 9th circus court, of CA inter alia, who mentioned me and my case to join those jurists, with my dwarves, here in Wiki it makes sense. LET ME STRESS therefore, that I can write very well a NEW ARTICLE on coconut oil - healing, charcoal, vco, etc. since this is not my line. If you browse my EDITS now about 1,900, I rarely contribute to medical and oils, since my INTEREST is about law and dire prophecy and events in Philippines and notable events here in my own country; however, I ceased from editing medical articles since an expert user here if you read above, twice corrected me, since I thought that with BBC and Reuters news, I can edit medical articles; and it turned out that most of them, are biased and non-reliable to claims, but reliable as to NEWS. So, I will try (they say try and try until you die, here as idiom in Filipino), limiting the article/s on coco to NEWS and the medical claims, if back up by verifiable. Virgin coconut oil and coconut charcoal (Philippines) this perhaps to merge my 2 re-directed articles, concentrating just on the NEWS here rather than in the claims. Sincerely, --Florentino floro (talk) 05:18, 23 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Accept my apology for not getting back to you earlier. Just a few quick things, though. I'm glad you're going to try again, but please do consider writing the article first in a subpage. If you click on this red link: User:Florentino floro/Coconut oil and then edit it like you would edit any Wikipedia article, that's how you use a user subpage or sandbox. If you don't want to, at the very least read through Wikipedia's naming conventions and guidelines. An article titled Virgin coconut oil and coconut charcoal (Philippines) isn't really accessable and is difficult to link to. If you don't use the user subpage, I would first consider adding the information you write supported by reliable sources into the existing articles. If it's large enough for its own article, perhaps something along the lines of Philippines coconut products if you want to combine them all. Anyway, just a thought. I also wanted to comment on what you said above: "...[W]e are all equals of course, under you as Administrators". Being an administrator is "not a big deal" - it just means I have the trust of the community and a couple extra tools to help me edit. I'm an editor, just like you! I just wanted to correct any idea you had that administrators have any more authority than you do here. Best, Rkitko (talk) 05:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)Oh, hi Sir, don't worry, as you said, you even spent one month to write a good article, and here, in WikiPedia, it is fair enough if Users and admins do bother to check our/my edits and created articles, to make Wiki neutral. Actually, my passion is to create legal articles and bios here of most powerful officers, so that researchers and legal experts can cite and learn from. I just created Agnes Devanadera, William W. Bedsworth and another Timeline but there was challenge of neutrality. So, I desire to create another on Killings here, but I have to make it well and good. It is just that in the course of my legal profession, I discovered the UNDUPLICATED CURES here of 2 mata coconut healing oil HEAT-PRESSED. And my only problem as you DISCOVERED is LACK of links on this GREAT COCONUT healing oil. The world and Philippines is obsessed with virgin coconut oil, but, but, it is really a commercial hoax compared to my HEALING heat pressed coconut oil WHICH CANNOT BE SOLD due to it as GIFT. So, there it is, my problem. Anyway, after TIME after I create and add to legal articles here, then, I will advise and inform you in due course. Happy New year again. Regards.

--Florentino floro (talk) 06:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I also had to redirect Gamet: Philippine Black Gold to Porphyra. After I removed all of your copyright violations, there was nothing left in that article beyond what you had copied and pasted from Porphyra and Nori. --Rkitko (talk) 13:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Consider using a sub-page (as Rkitko calls it above, a sandbox) to draft the article, then requesting comments on what problems may exist with it. Information on creating sub-pages can be found at WP:SP.  Your best bet is to just click on the link provided by Rkitko in the above section.  WLU (talk) 14:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, thank, and I said, I am afraid of using sandbox, I do not know how to, and I use SHOW PREVIEW instead and use SAVE PAGE only when I reviewed. I admit that as lawyer and judge I never studied biology and all these, had little background on chemistry and physics. So, like in my edits to medical and health news, I was corrected by experts users on these fields, and I do not complain, since WikiPedia users with medical and biology etc. expertise must prevail but in LAW subject I will of course argue and even appeal in due course, for the sake of BETTER WIKIPEDIA. Hence, I will just add EDITS on Gamet, on the main article, in the light of verifiable links and NEWS here in Philippines, with the Wiki Commons images. Please review them and if there would be anything wrong advise me or amend my edits. Thanks and Happy New Year.--Florentino floro (talk) 04:25, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks, and Happy New Year. Regards. --Florentino floro (talk) 05:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, William W. Bedsworth, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 02:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, William W. Bedsworth, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 02:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting my talk page. Thanks also for noting my article William W. Bedsworth. Our Philippine rules of court were borrowed from California. And one of the most powerful and known justices there is Justice Beds, fondly called. It is sad that if you read the CA Court of Appeals, I, a Filipino, was the first to create an article on the jurists. NOTICE that all the jurists there in CA are WikiPedia red, or not yet created. Seems, that there is less interest by users to create justices' article, and they seemed to have forgotten that many, or very many legal experts and researchers worldwide, would benefit from reading the justices' profiles, instead of googling them so hard.

Happy New Year, more prosperity.

--Florentino floro (talk) 04:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The lack of interest is disappointing. I'm sure if you go to WikiProject California, you might be able to garner some interest from your fellow Wikipedians in creating articles for these jurists. Also, Happy New Year to you too! Nishkid64 (talk) 05:07, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

At the very least, I started and made Californians/jurists/law students, wake up. Since our nation, Philippines was colonized by Spain from 1521-1899, our grandparents were incarcerated, and our Criminal justice system was by the Royal Audiencia of Spain which practiced inquisitorial system of criminal justice. When the Americans came per Treaty of Paris, 1898, then by our Philippine Bill of 1902, we cherished for the first time democracy (we copied USA's 5th amendment etc.). But most important is that, our Rules of Court were copied 80% from the Rules of Federal Service of California. So, when I read of Justice Beds Criminal Waste of Space, his blog, and googles, I learned that he had been watching the corruption in courts for 35 years. And when I opened the CA courts and justices in WikiPedia, I was surprised to have known that all of them are RED. So, I made this one, hoping that it will be a START of STUBS at the very least, since, many many law students and jurists wanted and desire still to research on profiles of justices of CA. Why? One reason, is magnitude of corruption there especially in the 9th circuit court which is the most reversed. Regards.

--Florentino floro (talk) 05:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)