User talk:Fluidfellow

Categories and flags
Hi there, I noticed you've been doing some work on NASCAR drivers' articles. While this appreciated, you should know that you should not be adding Category:American racing drivers to articles. That is a container category, and it is diffused to the by-state categories; it should be nearly empty with all its contents located in the appropriate subcategories, only containing directly those drivers who do not have a home state provided. (It is not that way now simply because it's a slow job working on it.) In addition, flag icons are discouraged in infoboxes; please see WP:MOSFLAG. Thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 13:28, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Dear Bushranger, having taken a look at your edits, I'm ready to clean up the rest of the pages I've worked on myself. A few issues need to be sorted out, though:


 * 1. I wonder whether removing Category:American racing drivers from drivers' articles is actually desirable. Thus, users could not view the names of all American drivers in one place any more but would have to wade through numerous subcategories instead.


 * 2. Should Category:Racing drivers killed while racing really be removed from the articles of drivers who died as a result of injuries sustained in racing-related crashes years later (see here, for instance)? According to the definition on its page, the category "includes drivers who were killed immediately, as well as those who were not killed immediately but succumbed to their injuries some time later." Regardless whether "some time" covers "several years" or not, I think the question whether the injuries suffered in the crash are the assignable cause of death should be the sole criterion for the inclusion of drivers who were not killed immediately irrespective of the time that elapsed between accident and death.


 * 3. According to Template:Infobox NASCAR driver, the name parameter demands the full name be entered (see also the example under Template:Infobox NASCAR driver). You've changed full names to the most commonly used ones (see here, for instance), citing WP:COMMONNAME.


 * 4. Why have death cause entries be replaced (see here, for instance)? For the sake of brevity?


 * --Fluidfellow (talk) 09:14, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


 * 1. As the category would be wildly oversized if all drivers were in it, it should only be subdivided. When a category goes above a certain size, in the vast majority of cases it should be diffused, and this is one of those case.


 * 2. I wasn't aware of that wording; IMHO if that's the case the category name needs to be changed.


 * 3. Template:Infobox NASCAR driver needs to be changed then; note for instance that the infobox at Bill Clinton reads "Bill Clinton", not "William Jefferson Clinton". This is the standard - the infobox header should match the page title.


 * 4. The infobox is a summary; in that case, "head injuries from racing crash" is a summary, the details can go, with their reference, in the main article.


 * Hope this helps. - The Bushranger One ping only 14:42, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


 * 1. I'm going to remove the category from pages which also show a category depicting the state the driver is from.


 * 2. Maybe "while" could be replaced with "as a result of." Anyway, I'd like to reenter the category for the time being. A discussion on the issue could be held here.


 * 3. I'll adopt the standard policy, which could also be contended here.


 * 4. I'm going to remove death cause details from the info boxes.


 * --Fluidfellow (talk) 21:01, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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