User talk:Fluttershypon3


 *  The reference desk is for asking for general information about a subject, not for help with editing Wikipedia, so I am transferring the section you created to this page, and offering my advice about it.  The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:03, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Articles that should exist in my opinion.
There's 2 guys in Pennsylvania that have been making music for a couple years now, and with 2 albums, an ep, and an upcoming 3rd and 4th album, a documentary and more, plus solo work from both members, I think they deserve wiki pages for the fact that they exist, and they have done a lot of hard work. All the other small name musicians have wiki pages, even if they don't do as much as these guys do. I would be more than happy to create these articles if given permission by you, Wikipedia, I'd be perfect for it, being that I am personally friends with these guys and can provide every single piece of information needed, every one, from their birthdays to the details of their early stages of their music and band, Horizons.

To prove their existence and work, here are just a couple of their links. They also have facebooks, twitters, soundclouds and more. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1AM_X0j2K-g8vVdQkL-h3Q https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqygy_3VxYntl6lNYvbXutQ https://devilrecordsrules.wixsite.com/devilrecords https://devilrecordsrules.wixsite.com/horizons https://devilrecordsrules.wixsite.com/lucassoo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fluttershypon3 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Merely existing is insufficient. You would need to find notable coverage by independent sources. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:41, 18 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The fact that people exist and have done a lot of hard work are not reasons for inclusion in Wikipedia. To be the topic of a Wikipedia article a subject needs to satisfy our notability guidelines. There are (in my opinion) too many of these guidelines, and they are all too long and detailed, making it confusing for new editors, but the ones most relevant in this case are the general notability guideline and Notability (music). You should check very carefully whether the people in question satisfy those guidelines: if they don't, any work you put into creating an article about them is likely to be wasted, as the article is likely to be deleted.
 * Since you are a personal friend of the people involved there is a risk that you may find it difficult to write neutrally. Experience over the years indicates that in such a situation it can be very difficult to see objectively how one's writing will look to an uninvolved outsider, with the result that often people write what looks to others like blatant advertising or promotion, even if they sincerely believe they are writing neutrally. We are therefore discouraged from writing about people we have a personal involvement with. This is described in more detail in the guideline on conflict of interest, which you really should look if you are still considering creating such an article.
 * You say "All the other small name musicians have wiki pages". Two points there. (1) Many articles are created on non-notable musicians. Such articles are frequently deleted, sometimes very soon after they are created, but sometimes they escape notice for quite a long time, so it is not entirely safe to assume that existing articles are a reliable indication of what is considered suitable. (2) In many cases new editors think "such-and-such an article is similar to mine", but in fact there are important differences, such as the one satisfying Wikipedia's notability guidelines and the other one not, which may not be obvious to a new editor. OF course, I don't know either what other articles yo have in mind or what the one you propose to create would be like, so I don't know whether this applies in your case, but I am just warning you that it often does.
 * My advice to new editors is that it is best to start by making small improvements to existing articles, rather than creating new articles. That way any mistakes you make will be small ones, and you won't have the discouraging experience of repeatedly seeing hours of work deleted. Gradually, you will get to learn how Wikipedia works, and after a while you will know enough about what is acceptable to be able to write whole new articles without fear that they will be deleted. Over the years I have found that editors who start by making small changes to existing articles and work up from there have a far better chance of having a successful time here than those who jump right into creating new articles from the start. Of course that will not be much help to you if you have no interest in writing on any other subject other than your friends, but I recommend considering my advice anyway.
 * Sorry if this seems like a long attempt to put you off editing: it absolutely isn't, but experience over the years has led me to the conclusion that it is actually more helpful to new editors to make sure they are aware right from the start of the possible problems, rather than encouraging them to think that everything will be easier than it really will, which can just set the up for disappointment. If, despite my advice, you still want to go ahead, you don't need permission to create a new page, but you should start by creating a draft article and submitting it for review, rather than making it straight into a new article. (In fact you won't be able to create a new article directly until your account is a little more mature, but even when you can it will be better to start with a draft.) You can find how to make a draft at Articles for creation. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:03, 18 November 2018 (UTC)


 * One other thing which I didn't think to mention when I wrote the message above. I looked at the web pages you linked to, and none of them goes anywhere towards showing notability in Wikipedia's terms. Things like a band's own web site, its YouTube channel, etc, do nothing to show notability, as anyone can create a web site for themselves and post their own YouTube videos. Independent reliable sources are needed. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:10, 18 November 2018 (UTC)