User talk:Fly by Night/Archive Aug 10

Talk:Black Moss Reservoirs
A3 is actually only for articles A for Article. For a talk page, you can just blank and leave ti that way or put on the top. Many articles should have project taggings on the talk pages, so if you can work out a sensible one, add it on. To really nominate for deletion you can just use G6 - non controversial, no one at all would object, but please add a reason. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:38, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Graeme. — Fly by Night  ( talk )  09:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Calf Hey Reservoir
I declined your speedy-tag, because your proposed reasoning was not one of the WP:CSD items. The reason you did give is a good one for creating an actual page, but doing so does not require having the redirect formally deleted. You can just edit the page and write your actual content. DMacks (talk) 12:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Question regarding undo action in This Artcle
Hello, Fly by Night. As I am a beginner user in Wikipedia, I am not sure whether it is right to leave a message here (if I am wrong, please teach me proper way). I do find a small problem on the action done by "Fly by Night" in [St._Francis_Xavier_Secondary_School_(Mississauga)] document. The addition to the article done by 180.224.136.180 improves the article, but "Fly by Night" reverted it to the past. I would like to know the reason why the document had to be reverted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yojo1000 (talk • contribs) 06:55, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello! Thanks for your message. I assume you're talking about these changes made to this article. I left an explanation on the user's talk page: see here. Wikipedia is an on-line encyclopedia, and as such we try to create articles that are as professional as possible. It isn't just a random collection of thoughts. Please take a look at the essay "What Wikipedia is not". The changes made by IP 180.224.136.180 were a little informal and chatty, that's why I had to revert them. In fact, there were quite a few problems with the additions. For example:
 * The informal style went against Wikipedia's manual of style: see here.
 * Adding the names of some students went against Wikipedia's policy on notability: see here.
 * The tone of the additions went against Wikipedia's policy of writing from a neutral point of view: see here.
 * The additions didn't cite any references which goes against Wikipedia's policy on verifiability: see here.
 * The line "If you are, please add your name. I do not remember all the names." was also used twice. Requests for help can be made to specific users on their user talk pages (like you have done here), or in general on the article's talk page. These are spaces where you can be more informal and ask question or make requests for help. The actual article itself should be the finished, professional, polished thing. I'm sorry to be so critical, but I'm just being honest. I'm sure that with a bit of practise and time spent reading articles you, and IP 180.224.136.180, will be making fantastic contributions in not time. If you, or IP 180.224.136.180, have any more questions then feel free to come and ask. —  Fly by Night  ( talk )  19:02, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your kind and useful information! I totally agree on your points and now understand the important rules that exist in Wikipedia. Also, I think the rules are essential to make the articles in Wikipedia trustful. But, I still have some questions regarding the article I mentioned above. I think the article itself should be edited much. Although I hope to improve it by myself, I cannot due to my lack of time English proficiency. As a Senior student in the school of the article, I would like to point out a number of errors exist in the article, so that you can help me what I have to do about them.
 * First, the article is outdated: for example, the current principal of the school is Mr. Mant (or N.Mant), but the articles inform that "The principal is currently Jim Horvath."
 * Next, the article does not contain adequate information: for example, it does not list all of the clubs existing in the school, but rather it only specifies a few clubs. Also, it does not even mention about important events that hold in the school.
 * Finally, the article might give negative impact to students in the school: for example, suppose that there are Senior students of the school who try to apply for a prestigious college in USA. It is well-known that USA top colleges look at students' Extra Curricular Activities (such as club activities) heavily. The student might be part of some clubs of the school and might write about the clubs he/she is currently in. Although I hope that college admission officers do not look at Wikipedia's school information (since it does not contain adequate information), if they look at it, they might erroneously think the student is making up facts because the article does not explain, and do not even mention, about many clubs in the school. Also, the article mentions that IB Diplmoa program is one thing that has to be noted about the school, but it does not explain it in detail. In fact, the IB Diplmoa program of St. Francis Xavier Secondary School has some restrictions that discourage many smart students not to go for it (for example, IB French is mandatory! Some might want to focus more on other subjects instead of wasting their time on subjects that they won't need in future at all.). But, the college officers may think that students who did not take IB Diploma Program didn't take it just because they are not smart enough, or they do not want to challenge themselves.
 * I well understand that my argument contains some unverifiable information, but I tried to write it subjectively. So, what should I do on the article? I do not have enough time to edit the whole article, but I know that the article has potential threat that it might give wrong impression about the school. Shouldn't we actually just take out the article until some people in the school (St. Francis Xavier Secondary School) are willing to improve the article or willing to correct the errors of the article. If the article gives wrong information, what's the point of the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yojo1000 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll answer your first few bullet point questions in bullet form:
 * According to St. Francis Xavier's School Website the principal is still James Horvath. So it will be almost impossible to change the name of the principal in the article until the school's own website changes the name.
 * Wikipedia is not meant to detail every single fact of every single thing. There is no need to list all of the clubs and societies of the school. The only ones that need listing are those that meet WP:NOTABILITY. If the school has some clubs that excel or perform some special functions then they should be mentioned. But there is no need, for example, to mention that the school has a chess club. The school's Wikipedia article should not be a prospectus.
 * Again, Wikipedia is not designed to be used as a job or college reference. Wikipedia is not here to advertise people, places or things. It would be inappropriate for Wikipedia to try and "sell" the school to prospective employers or educators. — Fly by Night  ( talk )  21:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know anything about the school, so I don't feel that I would be a very good contributor to the article. Why not post a request on the article's take page detailing the improvements that you would like to see. Alternatively, why not find a WikiProject, for example WikiProject Ontario, that covers the school and post a request there? — Fly by Night  ( talk )  21:51, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Again thanks! I will stop bothering you anymore since I agree on your points. One thing I feel really sad about my school is that ... how didn't they update their principal name on their official website. That's really ridiculous since I am pretty sure the principal changed a long time ago. Check http://www.dpcdsb.org/NR/rdonlyres/93916DAC-31DD-4974-A4BD-C763B3A62737/22095/TigerTalesOct20098.pdf for example. I see the guy everyday :( Anyway, again, I really appreciate your effort/time to help me and explain things to me. Have a good day!. Yojo1000 (talk) 01:13, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry; you're not bothering me at all! I recommend you get involved with WikiProject Ontario like I suggested. You might find people there that are able to help you update the article, or at least find someone to point you to where you will find someone able to help you update the article. I wish you good luck. — Fly by Night  ( talk )  00:04, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

in what way exactly?
''Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, one or more of the external links you added to the page Turkish language do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed.''

i added an ad-free free resource that helps learners of turkish memorize 1500 words of turkish. it is non-commerical and free to use. it does not even use cookies.

http://www.qasana.com/cgi/content.pl?skin=eng&lng=tur

in what way does this site violate your guidelines? do double check. wikipedia is overrun with commercial sites containing nothing but adsense links yet you have an issue with my link?

let me summarize that again.

1. no ads on site. 2. free to use. 3. 100% relevant and VERY USEFUL - universally agreed by all users 4. no software to download - available online. 5. does not even use cookies.

if this site still contravenes the guidelines, then please go edit the guidelines. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.207.200.248 (talk) 18:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Your edits go against the guidelines of WP:SPAM; where it says "Adding external links to an article or user page for the purpose of promoting a website or a product is not allowed, and is considered to be spam." Leaving a link to a site that offers a service with the intention that people use that service is an attempt to promote that site and is a conflict of interest. It is not a matter of whether the site aimes to make money, to get you to download something, or to show you advertisements. The problem is that you were promoting a website and trying to encourage people to use the services provided by that website. The WP:SPAM and WP:COI guidelines have been shaped by the mutual effort and consensus of many different editors, and as such are accepted by the community. I doubt very much that these guideline should, or would, be changed because you personally disagree with them. Please don't forget to sign your posts by adding four tildes ( ~ ) at the end of your message. — Fly by Night  ( talk )  15:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Rosie and Jim
Hi, you were asking about French dialogue on the Rosie and Jim talk page. I think you were thinking of Tots TV, made by the same production company. 79.71.10.129 (talk) 20:15, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You're exactly right! Thanks for that. — Fly by Night  ( talk )  22:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot
That is useful to me. SongJie@NTU (talk) 15:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem, I'm glad I could help. If you can think of any improvements then please let me know. It would be nice to improve the article. — Fly by Night  ( talk )  21:41, 29 August 2010 (UTC)