User talk:Fly by Night/Archive Feb 10

AWB
Hi. I replied to my talk page. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that this filed in the infobox doesn't affect only the title on the top but the name displayed on the map. Maybe you should go to Template talk:Infobox UK place and request the name on the map to be bolded too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:42, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Grid refs
Please don't put non-breaking spaces into OS grid refs - they cause the wrong coordinates to be generated. See Talk:Jumbles Reservoir, click on the examples I have given. The correct form is two letters and then four, six, eight or ten digits (depending on whether the accuracy is to be shown to 1 km, 100 m, 10 m or 1 m), with no spaces or punctuation. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:22, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The UK Grid Reference Finder site generates the grid reference with spaces. This is the correct way to display the coordinates. It seems to be a problem with Wikipedia that it can't handle the spaces. •• Fly by Night (talk) 14:25, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It does generate them with spaces - but spaces (whether non-breaking or normal) cannot be handled by the Wikipedia templates which permit an Ordnance Survey grid reference. There is documentation on valid forms of grid ref at, this template being the last stage within Wikipedia before the grid ref is passed on to an external site for further processing. I cannot control how Wikipedia/that site handle grid references: if you believe that the inability to handle spaces is a bug, I suggest taking it up at Template talk:Oscoor; it may well be a limitation within the external site. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:00, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information, Red. •• Fly by Night (talk) 15:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, any time. I see from your contributions a high proportion of articles concerning Bolton and your first article was Tonge, Greater Manchester. Did you know I used to live in Bolton? -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Really? It's a small world :-) Thanks for your help, I'm new to Wikipedia. I look forward to working with you in the future. •• Fly by Night (talk) 16:58, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep. Lowton House (School Hill estate); Shrewsbury Road; Hilden Street; Bury Road; Montrose Avenue. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Reservoirs and places
Hello Fly by Night,

Thanks for your contributions on places straddling the West Pennine Moors. Just a nudge that reservoirs should use Infobox lake and country parks, Infobox park. I converted the Jumbles Reservoir with this change, but it will need further input. You may need to check through your contributions in the last few days to ensure the right templates are used. Thanks again, --Jza84 | Talk  18:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for the advice. I didn't know there were different infoboxes. I can't get the river one working. There seems to be some convention for the conversion of coordinates, e.g. (53.6253,-2.4025) became 53.62528°N, -2.4025°W . I have only written three reservoir articles, and you've alreay corrected one of them. I would really appreciate the help of such an experienced user as yourself. Could you please help me by making the changes? I promise to study the changes. The other two were Wayoh Reservoir and Turton and Entwistle Reservoir. •• Fly by Night (talk) 19:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello there! We had a slight edit clash then - I think we posted one-another at the same time! :)


 * You seem very keen on Wikipedia, which is refreshing. It is good to see new editors joining up, particularly from the North West! I'm not sure if your on the urban or rural side of things, but we have the WikiProject Greater Manchester, the WikiProject Merseyside, the WikiProject Cheshire, and (the one which I suspect you will be interested in from your contributions) the WikiProject Lancashire and Cumbria. These are kind of like forums, or communities of editors who can share interests, goals, experience and advise - they are very good for getting input and/or solving problems.


 * I can't promise I'll get through them all (especially unlikely tonight), but I'll do my best to have a wizz through your additions and try to catch the basic infobox swaps where I can. Feel free to join one (or more) of our local WikiProjects in the mean time - I'm sure you will be welcomed warmly. Thanks ever so much again for your contributions - they are important articles that have been overlooked for too long. --Jza84 | Talk  19:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for your warm welcome. I appreciate it. I shall try to join some of these pages that you've suggested. •• Fly by Night (talk) 19:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

<-Hello! Just had another clash!

With regards to the WikiProject importance scale, WikiProject Greater Manchester/Assessment is the most comprehensive resource on the matter, but in short, it's mostly a subjective decision. The importance of the article can be determined by any editor, but common sense, consensus and the assessment guidelines are elements that can be considered.

To be truthful, I hadn't noticed I'd used mid for one, and low for another - I'd say the parks straddle the mid to low importance line and I wouldn't oppose any change (I trust your judgement entirely). Also, it doesn't mean the article is not important or that the edits are not valued, its more to do with prioritising editing time and objectives for the WikiProject's team. Does that help at all? --Jza84 | Talk  19:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * That does help, thanks. I'll try and read the link you gave me. Could I come back to you if I were to need any clarification? I wouldn't even think about changing any of the ratings: I'm still finding my feet around here. I appreciate your patience and the help you're giving me. Sorry to be such a nuisance. •• Fly by Night (talk) 19:45, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course you can - that's no problem at all. You're doing great! Much much better than I was doing at your stage in editting! The relevant WikiProject would be the better option though for all queries, especially if I'm not able to get back to you quickly. --Jza84 | Talk  20:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * My motto seems to have become "Copy and paste, paste and copy." I was doing alright with the UK infobox. That's why I've found the river one so hard to use: I need an example to "Copy and paste, paste and copy." :-) •• Fly by Night (talk) 20:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * When I create an article, I try and pop one or two relevant WikiProject banners on its talk page straight away. Choosing suitable ones can be difficult: but for a fixed subject - a village, reservoir, park etc., a subject-related banner and a geographical banner are usually adequate. It's not a bad idea to find an existing article dealing with the same subject, and in the same area, and pinch the banners from that. One thing to be careful of is not to apply an inappropriate importance or class. I believe that it's fairest if I didn't assess my own contributions, so when copying a banner, I blank out class and any importance parameters, and remove all the other parameters except those which are obviously correct. So, if I were writing (say) Bromley Cross railway station (which already exists), then I'd look at Talk:Bolton Interchange, which has these:
 * so on Talk:Bromley Cross railway station I would put:
 * After a while somebody else will come along and assess it for importance and class. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:10, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply; I went to cook after my last post. Thanks for the tips. I'll try to put banners on all of my new articles. And if I can't find the right one then I know who to ask. •• Fly by Night (talk) 17:38, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * After a while somebody else will come along and assess it for importance and class. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:10, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply; I went to cook after my last post. Thanks for the tips. I'll try to put banners on all of my new articles. And if I can't find the right one then I know who to ask. •• Fly by Night (talk) 17:38, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * After a while somebody else will come along and assess it for importance and class. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:10, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply; I went to cook after my last post. Thanks for the tips. I'll try to put banners on all of my new articles. And if I can't find the right one then I know who to ask. •• Fly by Night (talk) 17:38, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits
Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. --SineBot (talk) 19:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * But I have been signing my posts. •• Fly by Night (talk) 19:47, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Wayoh Reservoir
Hi, I've no objection to you removing the category. See my comment on the article talk page. All the best. NtheP (talk) 08:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)