User talk:Flyingpicket

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Air Sylhet
Hi, welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your edits to Air Sylhet. Please have a browse of the links above and in particular our policies on No original research and Verifiability. As an encylopedia, we can only report on what has been "published" in reliable sources. We cannot add information into an article which we may know to be true (particularly if we are closely associated with the subject) if it cannot be verified. We cannot include our own opinions (which is considered original research) either. If you have any queries, feel free to ask here, or on my talk page. Your edit summary states:

"Reason for resigation of Choudhury given by him in writing was ill health and other business interests. FSA registration only required by those offering financial services. Air Sylhet is an airline."

Can you give a reference to the resignation letter (on a publicly available medium)? The FSA comment was made in the newslink that you removed (which I will add back in since it is relevant to the article) and was mentioned by both O'Neil and Choudhury. We are not making any judgements on whether it is required or not - just reporting what both sides have said. → AA (talk) — 15:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Since when are resignation letters ever published on any medium - have'nt you heard of confidentiality? I assume you are being facetious.
 * Could you then explain how you know about the contents of the resignation letter? I assumed the contents were made available to the media but if it wasn't then how can you say it was ill health? → AA (talk) — 00:02, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

See Air Sylhet statement on: http://www.airsylhetonline.com/press_release.php


 * The source given to verify Choudhury's statement is simply a video on youtube of Choudhury making the claim on Channel S. This was formally refuted the following night on the same channel. No copyright permission is given by channel S for the video in any case. Choudhury also appears to have hijacked www.airsylhet.com website and is making defamatory statements about Air Sylhet on that website. This is currently the subject of legal action.

'''The youtube reference has been removed by the user (copyright maybe?). Please remove all parts of the article that refer to this citation.'''


 * Choudhury's claim that the company needs to be FSA registered is easily refuted: Google FSA and go to FSA Register. Type in easyjet, you will get the response: Not found. Type in British Airways and you will get several items related to financial services. That is because easyjet plc do not offer financial services, but BA do. Air sylhet does not offer financial services. QED. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flyingpicket (talk • contribs)


 * Thanks for your response but you have not answered my query regarding the source for the statements you added to the article. To answer the points you've raised:
 * The source is Channel S. An independent satellite television channel. This is acceptable as a source (please see WP:RS & WP:V for policy information).


 * If you can cite a source to verify the comments made in the news were later refuted/retracted, then you can add that to the article and say that it was refuted. We are simply reporting what has been published in other sources.

You are now inciting me to break copyright about a channel S programme or encourage another to do so.


 * Regarding copyright of the video, the video is simply used as a reference. It is equally permissable to do a transcript of it but that would not change the statements made in the article.


 * Regarding your claims that Choudhury is making defamatory statements on the Air Sylhet website, that is an issue between Air Sylhet and Choudhury but if you can cite any sources, it would warrant mentioning in the article.

So you are just digging for dirt? The article is clearly contentious.


 * Regarding the FSA issue, this is purely original research on your part which is forbidden on Wikipedia. It is not our task to determine whether statements are true or warranted. We just report them. O'Neill (Air Sylhet's MD) says they are fully compliant with FSA regulations. That is sufficient for us to report on it. However, to answer your examples on easyJet, BA etc., they are airlines. Air Sylhet is not an airline - it is a travel company. To be an airline, a company needs to be registered with the CAA. Air Sylhet can therefore be anything that does require FSA registration - again making these types of judgements is original research and we therefore stick to reporting what has been said.

'''The FSA reference is not orignal research since the FSA Register is an official published database that can be interrogated by the public. I simply showed how to access certain information on that database to show Choudhury's statements were untrue. So it is NOT original research.'''

It establishes that Choudhury's statements are irrelevant and untrue and not worthy of publication on Wikipedia.


 * I would request you to review the policies on WP:OR and WP:COI also. → AA (talk) — 17:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

In quoting Choudhury, you are simply self referencing a statement he made - the citation (a video of himself) is not independent verification of his claims. You reference www.airsylhet.com - a website he clearly controls and ignore the official website www.airsylhetonline.com. The reference I gave to the FSA website is a simple citation that the statement made by Choudhury is untrue - permission from the FSA is not required because Air Sylhet does not offer Financial Services. Hence his comment is both irrelevant to the subject (Air Sylhet) and clearly untrue. Choudhury's statements are simply malicious gossip. Not what Wikipedia is about. If I say the moon is made of green cheese and produce a video and release it on youtube - does that make it true? would it be worthy of serious consideration or would it make wikipedia a pointless joke? I fail to see why you believe the statements made by Choudhury are worthy of publication on Wikipedia.

The youtube reference has been removed by the user (copyright maybe?). This is no longer, therefore, available as a citation


 * Youtube reference will be uploaded shortly by the user and Choudhury detail press release will be posted in every media. The real story behind Air Sylhet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.46.164 (talk • contribs) 22:04, 6 November 2007
 * How do you know this? I haven't seen any press releases - can you provide a link to one?
 * This wikipedia article is degenerating from an encyclopedia to a gossip column.
 * Why are you willing to include statements being made by an individual as if they were fact?
 * Surely this breaks the rule on contentious content?
 * Chowdhury clearly has an axe to grind and isn't apparently concerned about what he says.
 * Why is Wikipedia playing his game? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flyingpicket (talk • contribs) 11:24, 7 November 2007

Air Sylhet has issued a public statement giving the formal reasons for Chowdhury's resignation. http://www.airsylhetonline.com/press_release.php
 * Thanks for the link - although I note that it's not accessible from the home page. Could you see to it that it's added to the Press Room links. Also, can you confirm if Air Sylhet will be flying by the end of this month (as Kim O'Neill mentioned when he was on Bangla TV). Thanks. → AA (talk) — 11:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)