User talk:Fnazeeri

Solar car
Something about this being a "one year college project."

The phrase was "one year's student project". Not about solar power. Not about Solar cars. Not about the University of Michigan or its college of engineering. Not even about the competition or the team participating: '''One freaking year's entry from 13 years ago AND a meaninglessly trivial text dump of statistics. The former is bad enough, but why in God's name is a separate article for specifications the tiniest bit necessary?

Over 100,000 man-hours of labor and more than $2 million were invested in building the car How much time and was spent bear little relation to whether the subject is worth an article. --Calton | Talk 06:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The two articles referenced have been edited so that they describe the Maize & Blue solar car which is part of the permanent collection at the Chicago Museum of Science & Industry. I would presume that if the curators deem the vehicle worthy of permanent display in their museum it would be worthy of mention on Wikipedia, but that is not my decision to make.

FN 01:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)fnazeeri


 * I believe it is sufficient to have a subsection on the UMSCT page for each car, as is done currently. The page for "Maize & Blue" has barely any addditional information, instead regurgitating information from the UMSCT page. ~Gertlex 03:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There are a mere 60 words on the University of Michigan Solar Car Team page, which is hardly a complete let alone thorough history of Maize & Blue. You may also want to check out the Wikipedia articles on the GM Sunraycer which is also mentioned on the General Motors website with 50 words or the Nuna article about that solar car built by Delft University.  The separate article describing a museum artifact seems accepted practice on Wikipedia.

66.30.193.215 04:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)fnazeeri

Given the importance of the energy economy these days, and the potential importance of clean energy generation for the future, it is worthwhile to have information available on some of these early projects demonstrating people driving a car using such little power. The page provides a good summary of the vehicle design, the organization of the team, as well as a description of the race. The technical detail is complete enough to understand what this group of people did, and that's satisfying and important. This vehicle is a permanent display piece at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry, and definitely deserves some Wikipedia time. --ESlimko 17:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Maize & Blue was built with two purposes in mind: to compete and win Sunrayce 93 (predecessor of North American Solar Challenge) and to compete in the 1993 World Solar Challenge. It was understood by both the team and the University that once these goals had been attempted (and hopefully completed) the University of Michigan Solar Car Team would move on to the next generation project. For this reason Maize and Blue as an entity and the project and people that surround it should have a spearate space from the University of Michigan Solar Car Team. Now, I'm not trying to imply that succesfully engineering, building and racing a solar powered vehicle and winning a national championship with it is the equivalent of putting a person on the moon (though it may have seemed that way to many of the students during the wee hours of morning many a day during the project) but I would like to draw the following analogy: The following hierarchy exists in Wikipedia: NASA → Project_Apollo → Apollo 11 (space project that put the first person on the moon). Using this logic wouldn't it then follow that this hierarchy would be just as acceptable: University of Michigan → University of Michigan Solar Car Team → 1993 %22Maize %26 Blue%22 University of Michigan Solar Car Team. -- Bdelapen 21:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Reasonable enough to me. I'm not going to and never was planning to submit and Article for Deletion.  The car's page looks much better than when I last looked at it as well. ~Gertlex 00:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Just saw this "adopt me" feature and would love to get some help from an experienced Wikipedian.

Editing guidelines
When linking to other wiki articles, use double brackets. Example: UM Solar Car Team NOT UM Solar Car Team

Use the Show preview button to see if your edit will have the desired result before submitting it. You've made a lot of small edits, so I'm assuming you aren't. If you are, it's still desirable to make the edits together; it's easier for others to review your work this way. ~Gertlex 03:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Adoption
Hi Fnazeeri

I would be happy to adopt you - and answer any questions I can - check out user page and contact me at my User talk:Lethaniol if you are interested 14:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Adoption Complete
Cool - well if you have any questions on any subject (technical or procedural) just gives us a shout on my talk page.

In terms of the 1993 "Maize & Blue" University of Michigan Solar Car article - normally such competition cars might not be noteworthy see WP:Notability, but it appears from the discussions on this talk page (see above) that it is noteworthy as a early project in the design of solar powered cars. So yes the issue is now more about getting the article up to scratch - and from my initial first look it looks good - well on the way to being an excellent Wikipedia entry. In fact I am normally quite critical but this seems very good to me - a couple of points:


 * 1) Check out if it needs to be in any other Category or not see Categorical_index
 * 2) Get it added to the relevant Wikiproject
 * 3) Also the advise from Gertlex is spot on

One thing you need to remember about Wikipedia, is that a lot of people want to put a lot of rubbish and vanity press info onto it. Hence there are some dedicated people who go round questioning notability or asking for deletion such things. As long as you have a good reason why an article should exist you should have no problem - but if you ever do you there are ways and means of getting a community opinion/decision on such things.

Anyway hope that helps Cheers Lethaniol 18:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh almost forgot - User talk pages versus Article talk pages. There is not really a right or wrong answer about which one to use when, but a good rule of thumb -


 * 1) If there is an ongoing discussion about the content of an article it should be on the article talk page so saved for future editors to read through.
 * 2) If about user conduct, or a quick notification of an issue in an article then the User talk page is fine.

The idea being that in a few years time when another editor comes along and wants to update an article all the issues that have previously discussed on content are easily available on article talk page (much harder to access it on user talk pages especially with archiving), but by keeping the personal arguments of points off the article talk into user talk it saves the article talk from being cluttered. Also seeHelp:Talk page

So in this case you may want to copy and paste the above section on notability into the article talk, while leaving the advise on technical editing issues from other users here. Cheers Lethaniol 18:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Equations
This is why I like Adopting - new questions all the time - I do not know the answer - so let me have a look ...

Right I think it is explained all here Help:Displaying a formula - with a separate wikimarkup language for writing equations:

So for example instead of 1.16 m^2 use $$1.16 m^2$$ to get the latter write $$1.16 m^2$$

Anyway I will let you have a look - any problems or just want me to check give us a shout :):)

Cheers Lethaniol 23:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Equation +
Well that is surely one meaty equation - make sure it is referenced with a source - see WP:CITE and WP:RS. Also I think you have missed out defining v (I assume it is velocity). Good work Cheers Lethaniol 11:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

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 * I ended up just making the page a redirect. That's usually what we do after merges. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 11:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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