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Cooee
Do NOT add Cooee to state league history. Cooee's final season of existence was in the NWFU in it's final season. It then MERGED with the Burnie Tigers to form the Burnie Hawks, and it was that merged entity that joined the State League in 1987. Please recheck your facts because they contradict the Burnie Advocate newspaper and the NWFU ladder in 1986 - which finished after the grand final as;


 * ULVERSTONE
 * WYNYARD
 * LATROBE
 * PENGUIN
 * SMITHTON
 * East Devonport
 * Burnie Tigers
 * Cooee
 * Devonport

And please don't leave messages for other users on the article pages. They go on the talk pages. Thank you. AFL-Cool (talk) 13:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

August 2008
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. -- Chuq (talk) 00:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Template doesn't specifically refer to any problem as such. If it could be demonstrated where the problem is, I could rectify it. I thought it was AFL_Cool just being small minded and doing that because I called him out on his lack of knowledge on another page. Thanks Chuq! PS: Is that you from Austadiums? Forfuxake (talk) 04:10, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * To answer your question - the whole article needs to be fortified with citations. A number of statements (too many to mention 100 percent) look very much like WP:OR. Some may well be true but it needs sources otherwise it can be removed. Just as a start - and I'm not saying these points are untrue but they still need sources;


 * You need to cite where it says that the TANFL met in 1944 for a 1945 return and the "fact" that they went district instead of club.
 * Clarence and New Norfolk's origins (the SEDFL did not exist before WW2 incidentally).
 * The merger of New Town and Glenorchy.
 * The claim that the succeeding period was the strongest era in the league's history (that reads like an opinion which is not allowed).
 * The Winfield sponsorship.


 * And that's just the District Football part. There are issues with the rest as well, but I'm just giving you an idea of what you need to do. This isn't about small mindedness. This is about WP policy. This could be a candidate for good article status if you could just cite stuff. Just remember what I said about primary sources, okay? AFL-Cool (talk) 09:13, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

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User name
You have a nice user name.--Macrocosmic microcosm (talk) 08:57, 19 December 2009 (UTC) Hahaha thanks, I got that from trying to sign up, everyone had every user name I'd tried to sign up, then I came up with that one LOL. Forfuxake (talk) 09:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

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Usernames
Yeah, it's amusingly clever, but it could be a problem later on.

I strongly recommend you file a request at WP:Changing usernames for something that is less likely to make you look like a vandal. (Don't get me wrong - you haven't misbehaved. But sneaky vandals like to use this sort of name, to be obnoxious.) DS (talk) 13:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Season denotation
As you can see from various other articles, "season" is listed without a capital. AFL and NFL as examples. Regards. Cs-wolves (talk)  02:29, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Cool, that's fine! Forfuxake (talk) 07:05, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

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Tasmanian football question
Hi mate. Loving the work you're doing with the TFL, the season articles look great. Perhaps you could help me out here, do you know if the Shane Williams who is listed as the Sandy Bay coach in your 1989 TFL Statewide League season article is this guy? Cheers. Jevansen (talk) 07:59, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Gday Jev! Thanks for the kudos mate. Yes that's the same bloke, he ended up being an around-the-grounds commentator for ABC Radio in the old Statewide League after he got the bullet from the Bay in 1990. I also think he might've had something to do with coaching juniors down this way as well somewhere. Last I heard of him, he was doing live crosses at Bellerive a few years back on the same station during Devils VFL matches.Forfuxake (talk) 15:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I'll update Shane's page. Keep up the good work. Jevansen (talk) 06:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

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Whole slew of edits for links to Attendance
Hello-

As part of the Disambiguation pages with links project, I have edited a number of pages that you have created which all featured large numbers of ambiguous links to Attendance. Since it appeared that all the links were for the dictionary definition, and the closest applicable page on Wikipedia I could find was List of sports attendance figures, I elected to de-link all of them. It looks like you are very active in creating pages related to the Tasmanian Football League, many of which feature these links. I'm not sure where I'm going with this- I guess I'm concerned that this could turn into some weird edit war. Anyway, from my perspective, I'd prefer that the links not exist, but I don't know if it's all part of some larger plan I'm not aware of. Let me know what you think- I don't have a problem de-linking all of them en masse, but I didn't want you to think that I was crazily laying siege to a whole pile of your pages either. Regards, Rejectwater (talk) 12:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
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I'm enjoying your contributions
I'm enjoying your contributions.

Have you noticed that the for and against totals in the ladders fail to balance, that what you get when you copy straight out the The Mercury. Purrum (talk) 04:19, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

G'day Purrum! Cheers for that. Which years would be the ones not matching up? I'll go back through the results and add them myself if they don't stack up. The Muckery can be a bit ropey at times like that and also some of the print is that small that I may have made a mistake writing it down. Forfuxake (talk) 18:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

1970, 1972, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1986, 1987,1990,1999 1995 the win and losses don't add up. Purrum (talk) 11:47, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that, are you talking about the points "For" versus points "Against" or actual wins and losses mate? I'm a bit confused.

As an example in 1970:

Sandy Bay had wins in Rounds 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 & 20 (15 wins)

Clarence had wins in Rounds 1, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19 & drew 16 (13 wins, 1 draw)

Norfik' had wins in Rounds 1, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 14, 16, 18, 20 & drew 3 & 19 (11 wins, 2 draws)

Nth Hobart had wins in Rounds 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 15, 20 & drew 18 & 19 (11 wins, 2 draws)

Glenorchy had wins in Rounds 6, 12, 13 & drew 3 & 16 (3 wins, 2 draws)

Hobart had wins in Rounds 2, 7, 17 & drew 18 (3 wins, 1 draw)

1999 was a huge kerfuffle due to the Southern Cats being wound up by their executives after seven rounds. They stripped the Cats of all points and awarded points to all teams that had play them up to that point, then awarded points to the teams who were having a bye from there-after, created by the Cats going under.

If you're talking about the scores not adding up I'll go back and re-add them again to make sure they balance out.

Generally some of the publications do have some discrepancies between the Mercury and the League publications (eg: 1977 Glenorchy were always listed in league publications as kicking 3.14 (32) in the Grand Final, but the Mercury had 5.14 (44) with five goal scorers listed).

Former TFL historian Alf Upton always claimed the lowest crowd at a match was 531 in 1979, but I've come across lower in the 1940's, I'll keep my eye out anyway. Thanks for letting me know!! Forfuxake (talk) 15:09, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I was talking about the for and against for those years listed except 1995
 * In 1995 the wins column add up to 97 and the losses 99, there was one draw,  I should have been clearer Purrum (talk) 02:43, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

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Hey dude. As per the others on your talk page, thoroughly enjoying looking through old Tasmanian footy results. Just wanted to alert you to the 1965 TANFL Grand Final - the Robins have an impossible half-time score listed (they go from 4.1 at QT, to 2.12 at HT, to 5.8 at 3QT). Aspirex (talk) 11:20, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Ahh yes, thanks for that dude! I've fixed that now. Must've been half asleep when I typed that (more than likely was). Glad you like the articles, terrific job on the '67 State Final article too - excellent stuff! ''— thanks. Aspirex (talk) 06:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)'' Will start doing a few more pages in the next couple of months, business has been hectic over the past three months or so and haven't had time to research much. Forfuxake (talk) 21:17, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Me again. Same sort of thing, on the 1958 TANFL Preliminary Final scores. Also, the 1957 first semi final scores are possible, but look a bit suspicious; did Hobart actually have a huge nine-goals-to-one final quarter to recovery from a 31 point deficit? Aspirex (talk) 11:54, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi Aspirex! Nice spotting, it was indeed wrong, it was SB 13.18 (96) not 13.8 (86) for the '58 Prelim Final.

Also, yes Hobart booted 9.3 to 1.3 in the final quarter to win the '57 First Semi. The week after that North and Glenorchy met on the record wettest single day ever recorded in Hobart (156mm)!Forfuxake (talk) 17:04, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

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What are the clash jumpers in the TSL? Seeing that Glenorchy, Devonport, Laudervale and North Launceston have clashing jumpers, what is the away strip?

When did North Launceston revert back to North Launceston from the Northern Bombers ? Purrum (talk) 23:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Purrum!

Glenorchy wear a bottle green and white (think Port Power) uniform when playing in Devonport, the green is like a Peppermint Crisp wrapper colour.

Lauderdale wear the Geelong strip (their former colours until they entered the SFL Premier League a few years ago) when they play North Launceston away.

North Launceston wear a grey/off white uniform with a "Northern Bombers" logo on the chest and black numbers away to Lauderdale.

As for Devonport, I can't say I've ever seen them wear a clash strip, I don't think they've played Glenorchy away in the two years the comp's been running.

North Launceston's actual nickname is "Northern Bombers" and that's just what they were referred to as by the media and the club themselves after they ditched the North Launceston Robins moniker after 1997, until they joined the TSL.

Curiously, the senior and reserve grade teams are called North Launceston, but their Under-19's team is known simply as "Northern Bombers".

Strange - but it is Tasmania after all!! Forfuxake (talk) 05:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

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An interesting piece of news about Triabunna, but it needs a source and I have tagged it accordingly. Footy Freak7 (talk) 23:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

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Had to revert your changes from TFL to TSL, because that causes confusion with soccer and it's also using the commercial name instead of the proper name. Also, I haven't tagged it yet, but could you cite where you got those updated crowd figures that you edited? Footy Freak7 (talk) 04:29, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

G'day FF7!, Sorry, the SFL crowd edit was me checking how to do something and I wiped out a number with my spacebar and typed the wrong one in LOL. Since reverted.

That's cool re:TFL/TSL. PS: What's happened to AFL Cool? Forfuxake (talk) 15:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Afl cool got deleated. Norchy pies4life (talk) 06:15, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Baaahahahahahahaha! Forfuxake (talk) 23:39, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hey mate, I don't think we've ever met, which is odd considering we both mainly edit Aussie rules articles. Anyway, I realise that my edits to the East Launceston Football Club article were all pretty minor, but I don't think they were "pointless", as they were all to help the article comply with the manual of style. I do appreciate that you've gone to the trouble of creating a good article and all my edits were intended to do was to slightly improve that effort. If you think any of my edits have made the article worse, I'll be happy to try and rectify the problem. So, is there anything that you specifically don't like about my edits? Also, when creating articles, please add references to them. I knew the club was notable, but without references, many editors from other parts of the world might not have. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 20:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

No we possibly have not, no. I take it that you're relatively new here and eager to edit? The edits I find annoying are things such "Red and blue", "winners" instead of Winners (lower casing where it looks tidier being in upper) - this makes it looks sloppy, unprofessional and teenage-like and I don't want them on articles I put up, thankyou.

I also want these articles spaced out properly, I do not want them where all the sentences all run into each other, again, sloppy and unprofessional. If I find them annoying in future I will undo them.

You will also find that with Tasmanian football there is not a great deal of information out there, that is where a good deal of local information and an intimate inside knowledge is an advantage. Forfuxake (talk) 20:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC) all the time (but, again, it's your article, so add them back if you really want). I do understand that it can be difficult to reference articles on Tasmanian football (writing Ken Hall (footballer) is about the closest I've got to Tassie football), but you per WP:V (one of Wikipedia's core policies), everything you add to an article must be referenced to a reliable source. There are editors who make it their mission to remove all unsourced content from articles, so please don't let this happen to the useful articles you write. For example, if you're using the full points footy book to as your reference for most of the article (as it appeared you did for the East Launceston article), please just add that to the references section in future (as I've done for this article). As I'm writing this, I realise that you have re-capitalised everything; could you please explain why words like blue and red are proper nouns and need to be capitalised? Jenks24 (talk) 21:08, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Slightly amused to be called "relatively new" by someone with less than 2000 edits, but yes, I guess I haven't been around as long as you (only since April last year). Firstly, I changed "red & blue" to "red and blue" because WP:& recommends against it, although it does state they can be used in infoboxes, I think it looks sloppy and unprofessional use ampersands (but it's your article, so change it back if you wish). As to the capitalisation, that's something I won't budge on. Manual of Style (capital letters) and Manual of Style might be an interesting read for you, but to summarise it, Wikipedia does not use title case, it uses sentence case for headings, by which I mean only proper nouns are capitalised. As to the spacing out properly, I'm not sure what you really mean by that, but it's fairly ridiculous continually add

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Hi. The article about Mornington is correct information. I'm a former employee there, played at the centre I'm also longtime friends with two former managers of the facility and also, any statistical data provided comes courtesy of the 1992 STTBA (Southern Tasmanian Tenpin Bowling Association) end of season report from that year. By the way, CMC ran the centre for tax reasons.Forfuxake (talk) 19:26, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Burnie Hawks Football Club
G'day mate. I have just patrolled your new article. In its present state it is vulnerable for nomination for deletion for a couple of reasons - firstly, there is very little to demonstrate that this little footie club, disbanded 16 years ago, is sufficiently notable to warrant its own article on Wikipedia. Have a look at WP:NOTABILITY. Secondly, your article contains no reference or in-line citation to allow independent verification of anything you have written. On Wikipedia anything that is likely to be challenged needs to be supported by some information about the source. Have a look at WP:VERIFY.

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This 'little footie club' you mention had a good history thanks Dolphin. It had its roots stemming back to 1894, but closed the original club down to eradicate debts and rebranded itself with a metropolitan name to be included in the state's most popular league. Just because it wasn't playing in the AFL doesn't mean it was some crappy little tinpot outfit.Forfuxake (talk) 19:04, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

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Usage of icons on SFL season pages
Hi Forfuxake, just thought I'd give you a bit more clarification on the usage of icons on the SFL season pages as I couldn't fit it all in the edit summary. Since the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian rules football/Archive 6, the consensus has been to not include/remove existing icons from articles that fall into the WP:AFL project, which the SFL season pages do. The discussion stemmed from WP:ICONDECORATION whereby icons should serve an encyclopedic purpose and not merely be decorative, and as already stated, the consensus is to not include them on pages such as season pages, lists etc. The only time you'll find they're used is on league pages in team tables and in grand final type pages. I'm also planning on getting the SFL season pages up to formatting standards and having the games listed in templates, i.e. AFLGame, and the use of icons in those templates has always been discouraged. It's also a good idea for future reference when reverting someone to provide an edit summary so they know why you've made the change. Thanks for all your hard work otherwise on Tasmanian football related pages though. Flickerd (talk) 05:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The roster match set up you've done with the 2016 and 2017 pages looks good, however I would prefer to see quarter-by-quarter scores in ALL finals series matches as is the case with the Grand Final (the local media do use these for reference at various times I've noticed with the TFL pages and will likely do so with these).
 * I understand you taking club colours down from each individual match but I feel it would be necessary to keep them in the section entitled "Participating Clubs" as a number of these clubs have used different colours and jumpers down the years.
 * Namely Hobart, Kermandie, Glenorchy, North Hobart, New Norfolk, Central Hawks, Lauderdale for example.
 * Also, I would prefer to see neat capitalisation used (ie: "Medal Winners" as opposed to Medal winners, Grand Final as opposed to grand final as examples).
 * Best wishes, FFXK. Forfuxake (talk)
 * I'm not opposed to having the colours in the participating clubs for the reasons you've stated as it would aid comprehension for the reader. As for the capitalisation, this is a big no no on Wikipedia per MOS:CAPS and MOS:HEADCAPS as they are in sentence case rather than every word capitalised. The exception to this is if it's a proper noun, so for example, 2017 SFL Grand Final is capitalised as it's an official event, but just having grand final is generic and thus reverts to sentence case. Having all quarter results for finals is fine, I just did it how all other season pages have been done, but it doesn't hurt to have it. Thanks, Flickerd (talk) 03:51, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

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As far as I'm concerned the whole lot's ruined now anyway and I won't be bothering to make any further contributions at all.

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Why the hell would you want to go and delete these pages? Forfuxake (talk) 03:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

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