User talk:Fork99/Archive 2

A barnstar for you!

 * @Steelkamp: thanks! Just figured why not since I have some spare time. I was about to do the disused regional stations in Victoria in alphabetical order (Category:Disused railway stations in Victoria (state)), but I've already stopped at the first one AGM Siding lol! then I think we still need to do the vast majority of open passenger stations (i.e. V/Line and Metro) in Victoria, maybe we can split doing it line by line? Maybe we could split the disused list by letter groups like say A-F and so on for each of us or whatever suits? I also have no idea if NSW disused stations is done, same for Queensland. I'm pretty sure SA/Adelaide stations are done though. Seems like you guys have gotten WA done? @JarrahTree: for your info :) Fork99 (talk) 09:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I've gotten WA open stations done. I have also got every station in Australia that has opened since 1909 done. I was going through Category:Railway stations in Australia by year of opening backwards and got up until 1909. Steelkamp (talk) 09:19, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Steelkamp: Oh I see, I was wondering how come it seemed a bit random to me that some had the tag but most didn't. By the way, I don't think the vast majority of the links on Template:MelbourneTramNavbox are done, so I might do that now and leave the stations for some time later. Fork99 (talk) 09:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)


 * No need to micromanage anything really, just beware some of the oz main cats dont even have oz mentioned :) - and I am not sure where some of the oddities come from, it takes too long to work out the diffs compared to fixing... some runs of the categories show irregular bits and pieces.  The potential for other states to be as weird is always there...  JarrahTree 09:30, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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Your opinion on List of Sydney Metro stations
Hi. I have done some improvements to List of Sydney Metro stations and am thinking of taking it to WP:Featured list candidates. I would like to know what your opinion on the current state of the article is first. Thanks, Steelkamp (talk) 04:48, 2 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Steelkamp: Hm seems fine to me, maybe though except the lead might be a little too long? I think it should be as concise/brief as possible to make sure readers know the difference between train and metro, but most of that info, I think belongs at Sydney Metro to avoid content overlap. Also, in the future, info might be updated at the main article but the list might be forgotten, leaving it with outdated info that might not be picked up for a while.
 * Oh and I think there's a bit of MOS:DUPLINK throughout the tables. But other than that, seems alright! Fork99 (talk) 05:06, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your feedback. Generally the leads for featured lists are quite long. See List of Bay Area Rapid Transit stations or List of Copenhagen Metro stations or List of London Underground stations.
 * Regarding duplicate links, tables are generally exceptions to that rule as tables can be reordered.
 * Thanks for fixing the things I missed in this edit. Steelkamp (talk) 05:17, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Another question relating to the Sydney Metro list. Do you know of a source which has the ridership for each station? All I've found is this SMH article, which does not have ridership for every station. Thanks, Steelkamp (talk) 04:11, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Steelkamp: Good question, they don't seem to have publicly available stats for the most recent years.
 * If you go to opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au, that website has a lot of weird and fascinating datasets on NSW transport, but you first need to sign up for a free account to download any of the excel spreadsheets.
 * opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au/dataset/train-station-entries-and-exits-data is the closest thing I can find. It has snapshot data of selected two week periods for individual stations between 2016 and 2020.
 * Give this a try as well: opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au/dataset/opal-tap-on-and-tap-off-release-2.
 * They do have performance data and monthly, weekly and yearly stats for each train/metro/light rail/ferry line, bus contract region and bus operator and a total for each transport mode at transport.nsw.gov.au/data-and-research/data-and-insights. Interestingly, a breakdown of what type of ticket/concession people use too but no dice for individual station numbers. The Open Data website link is opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au/dataset/opal-trips-train. At that Open Data link, at the bottom, there's some comments by some users, and presumably an employee called alejandro.felman responded with the following:
 * Hi Llewellyn, unfortunately we don’t have updated data on a per station basis. However, you can use our Opal Tap-On/Tap-Off datasets to look at similar data on a per station basis. These datasets are historical snapshots from various two-week periods that should give you an idea of usage.
 * Since that Open Data website has a forum function thingy, I saw some users trying to ask for this data, but it seems that they haven't budged on ‘privacy’ concerns. I mean if any of us here have access to a reliable source to publish at, we could totally try and do a $30 GIPA/FOI application to Transport for NSW for this information lol! Assuming that it goes through and then they email us the data haha. Fork99 (talk) 05:13, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. So seems like nothing I can really use on the Sydney Metro list. Steelkamp (talk) 05:17, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Steelkamp: Yeah I guess unfortunately not, but maybe in the future, they might, I can see how it would help with the list. Completely irrelevant to the wiki, but I'm just happy that they have open data on real time public transport vehicle locations. You can track pretty much every TfNSW train, bus, coach, tram and ferry in the state, it really helps to see if your bus is running late or whatever. So many mobile trip planning/map apps have access to this data too. It's something I hope that some of the other states implement if they haven't already. Fork99 (talk) 05:24, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We have real time bus tracking in Perth, although often the tracker lags half a minute behind where the bus really is.
 * I have similar frustrations with the lack of ridership data for individual stations in Perth. When writing articles on stations in Perth, I generally have to make do with data from 2013-14, which is the latest I've been able to find comprehensive ridership data for each station. The only reason we even have that data is from a question asked during question time in parliament. Steelkamp (talk) 05:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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always a relief
...to see fundamental maintenance issues addressed in the wider scope of things. One small problem I have seen in some oz arts about rail things, is that the wikidata/short decrip has no sense of 'tense' relating to former railway lines, it is as if the railway lines still exist and are operational, even in some cases there is no attempt in the lead sentences to clearly say 'former' or as some enthusiasts so love to put it 'defunct' (maybe that is something that I miss, either they are open/ closed, or even tracks remain/tracks lifted distinction maybe as away of identifying levels of no longer operating) Anyways keep up the good work! JarrahTree 05:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Nobody bothered to tell me at all (well not until a few days ago), but rater has changed... :) - the top line in the box is possible to put the class for all the projects which can remain de-fanged. What I have done at TAA talk page might give you a clue... I was lucky enough to be at a meetup where I was able to have a chat with the creator of Rater - and also became very aware of the deprecation of ORES - you would have to either respond here or at my talk to find out more, It is spooky trying to relate to silent talk pages, so to speak. JarrahTree 04:16, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Your edits look very weird - the summary uses the word 'Rater' - but where?

Latest revision as of 08:56, 5 December 2023 edit undo thank Fork99 (talk | contribs)  rollback: 1 edit Assessment: Australia, Aviation (Rater) Basically it looks like you have disabled the banner shell.... Why? For heavens sake reply, I have repeatedly tried to have conversation and you remain silent? Am I cursed by some unknown virus or curse or something? The disabling of the banner shell removes a part of the serviceability of the process, unless you know something that I dont... and leaving off the importance level for transport still makes me wonder... Please take the time to engage, thanks. JarrahTree 01:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @JarrahTree: sorry I didn't see your pings. My rater seems to only add a banner shell if one doesn't already exist when three or more WikiProjects are on the page, as far as I'm aware, I'm only aware of it being for cosmetic purposes (i.e. so you're not bombarded with a million WikiProjects at once on the talk page)? I have no idea if on the technical side of things it changes anything.
 * Regarding the importance, as far as I’m aware, when the main parent WikiProject Australia already has an importance level set for a particular page, its child projects seems to default to the main project's importance unless otherwise set to something else. For example, see Talk:1931 Avro Ten Southern Cloud disappearance, where I didn't add the importance for WP:AUSTS, but it's still automatically in Category:Low-importance Australian Transport articles because WikiProject Australia was already set to low importance.
 * Unless there's also something technical/behind the scenes that I'm not aware of? Fork99 (talk) 01:23, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying, sorry to be a nuisance. Keep up the good work, my watchlist has been alive with your good work!
 * When I have more time to explain, the rater change thing I will try to explain better - and thanks for your explanation - I see very clearly the side of how you are explaining - much appreciate your patience... JarrahTree 01:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @JarrahTree: Sure thing, in many ways, I'm still quite new around here; I had to look up what ORES was since I haven't really dealt with recent changes much. Mainly, I just look at my watchlist and read a bunch of random articles every now and again and that's how I usually make my edits. Fork99 (talk) 01:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * you make it sound like you dont know much, but from my watchlist you have done brilliantly today - I am sorry that I havent explained very well the imminent changes with auto assessment processes - ORES is about be killed off, and I havent got a good explanation as to what happens next... more later... on everything, more later... sorry to have been a bit impatient, I hadnt realised how it is difficult to explain the things... JarrahTree 01:48, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

"Université station" listed at Redirects for discussion
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 * Note to self: fixed. Fork99 (talk) 08:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I sure hope
you understand the logic of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Railway_stations_in_Australia_closed_in_the_1900s - cheers JarrahTree 15:10, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @JarrahTree: If you mean your project tagging just then, it seems fine to me. Fork99 (talk) 21:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * apologies, I was misreading diffs, and I was tagging inadequately myself... JarrahTree 02:45, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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V/Line Sprinter
Seems like you forgot about that little V/Line Sprinter

I removed the model railways section as it violated WP:PROMO

You should also consider articles of trains from overseas as these may also have the Model Railways section 122.104.182.164 (talk) 23:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

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 * Note to self: has been WP:USERFIED, now at User:Fork99/List of Queensland Rail stations. Fork99 (talk) 09:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Good hatnote
I like what you did better re Cityrail at CityRail. I was mainly trying to avoid it showing up as an unfixable entry at Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations as it did with the redirect hatnote before I changed the redirect target. Dicklyon (talk) 01:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)