User talk:Former user 9172

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March 2011
Is there any particular reason you keep trying to erase any and all evidence of communication with other users, including admins? While it's true that you're free to do pretty much anything with your User page, such deletions are frowned upon, because it makes you look like you're hiding something. Just my two cents' worth... Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 19:04, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Block
have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abuse of editing privileges. In addition to your edit warring, your removal of content from ANI,, demonstrates an unwillingness to engage in consensus building. There is no doubt that this IP was you; it is in the same range as that complained of and blocked in your previous sock puppet investigation. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Your unblock request should demonstrate a willingness to work with others as required by policy through discussing differences and reaching consensus. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Hello,

my name is and i am a editor in wikipedia. I saw that you have blocked my user account.

I would like you to look at the following pages that i have created : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnter_Weiler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitris_Reppas * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michalis_Karchimakis * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyros_Kouvelis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milena_Apostolaki * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgos_Petalotis * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litsa_Kouroupaki * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evi_Christofilopoulou http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haris_Kastanidis * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haris_Pamboukis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giannis_Diamantidis * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlos_Geroulanos *

I would like you to look at the "View History" section of these pages.

The pages that have the star sign on their right side, are being constantly vandalized by specific users.

I was trying to protect these pages, but i do not know how. I read all these pages in wikipedia related to page protection and i tried a few methods such as, as well as , but i did not manage to protect them.

Yesterday i contacted the secretary of the Panhellenic Socialist Movement and informed him about these vandalisms and ask him to take legal actions to stop these people.

Today i contacted mrs.Litsa Kouroupaki, as well as mr.Haris Kastanidis and reported to them these incidences as well, however it seems that they did not manage to take any actions.

A few hours ago, i contacted wikipedia in +14158396885 and informed them as well. The person that i spoke to, said that i should write a letter to info@wikimedia.org. . He told me though, that the persons that operate this account are volunteers and not an employee of wikipedia, so it is usually taking time until some action will be taken, in order to stop these users from vandalising theses pages. I asked him as well whether he knows what shall i type in order to protect these pages, but he replied to me that he doesn't know.

In case that you will go back to the "View History" section, you will see, that it is not me that it is vandalising, or performing disruptive editing on these pages, but the people that are editing them after me.

You can look at this page as well : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Loverdos, to understand, that even an unknown user, reverted the actions of these specific users saying indirectly that they are insane.

I did not want to call wikipedia and ask them for an assistance to take actions about these incidences, but i had no other choice as they were vandalising them every 10 minutes.

As you do understand, it is not me that it is vandalising, or performing disruptive editting on these pages, but the people that have editted them after me. I did everything possible to protect them, but there was no result.

I do not want you to take any actions whatsoever against these users. I believe that i did not do anything wrong to have my account blocked, so i would like to be able to use my account. Additionally, if it is compatible according to the legislation of wikipedia, i will ask you not to allow to anyone to edit on them, apart from me that created them and if that can not happen, then please write to me on your reply what shall i do to protect these pages.

In case that i can not have the rights to use my account anymore, although i do not see the reason for that, i will ask you to delete every single one of these pages, as i have been asked to do in case that i can not find a way to protect them from being vandalized.

I am looking forward for your reply.

Kind regards


 * I'm afraid based on your note here that you may have misunderstood the way Wikipedia works. We are a website composed by volunteers; with a very few limited exceptions, every page is open to editing by anyone. That you created the page does not give you control over it, I'm afraid. As it says at the bottom of every edit screen: "If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." Articles on Wikipedia belong to the Wikipedia community, who will alter and expand them in accordance with policies and guidelines. Sometimes you may not like the way the articles are changed, but you must persuade others to your point of view. You can't just keep reverting them. Please see WP:OWN, Consensus and Dispute resolution. Too, I'm afraid that while we will sometimes delete articles as a courtesy when creators change their minds, we do not do this once they have been edited by others. If the articles meet our inclusion guidelines, they are likely to be retained.


 * Looking specifically at Pavlos Geroulanos, there is no apparent vandalism in that article's history. With respect to Andreas Loverdos, I'm afraid you may have misunderstood the comment the other editor made. If you look at the changes he made, here, the content he is objecting to was actually the Greek introduced by you. The "sane" version he restored was that of another editor.


 * In order for your account to be unblocked, we need some indication there that you now understand the way that Wikipedia works and are willing to follow our processes. You may certainly talk to other contributors about the development of these articles, but you can't stop them from being edited so long as those edits are within policies and guidelines, as it seems these are. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello,

i would like to congradulate you for the speed in which you replied to my request.

It is absolutely clear that i do understand the policies of wikipedia as well as the fact that any user has the right to edit on any article.

However, this is not the case with the following users: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HaeB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cplakidas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dr.K. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Seb_az86556 All the above four users and especially the last two, are constantly vandalizing the pages that i mentioned to my previous letter, either by deleting links or spoiling the forms by shortening the texts, as well as deleting the sections: "Education", "Early Life", "Career" and "Politics". I do understand the terms that wikipedia is based on, but i do not believe that these type of changes are included on the guidelines, as there are vandalizing an article by depriving informations from it.

Conserning the article of mr.Andreas Loverdos, this is not how the issue is. The User:Wassel reverted the page, into the form that i had it, as the User:Seb az86556, vandalized it by deleting links as well as shortening it.

I did not do anything wrong on the page of Mr.Loverdos. As i recall, i did not edit anything in greek, apart from the publications of mr.Loverdos and this, because there are in greek and it will not make sense to translate them, as the publications will no longer be possible to be found if someone would like to read them. I do not see anything wrong with that though, as the publications of Dr. Norbert Röttgen, are in german, because this is the language that they have been published.

Please accept that the pages that i have marked with the stars, are constantly vandalized, some times in less than 10 minutes time by these users that i have earlier mentioned to you.

In case that it is within the range of your authorizations, please do not block, but ask from the following users: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HaeB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cplakidas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dr.K. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Seb_az86556 and especially from the last two, not to contact me again, as in their first messages they rather seemed that they want to create a friendship with me, rather than teach me how to edit. However wikipedia for me is not a website that i use to make friendships.

These users and especially that last two, were constantly writting to me, expecting for a reply. I did not reply anything to them, as their way of talking was relatively offensive and after some time they started to send me messages that they will block my account.

I believe that you do understand that a page refering to a Political person, has a different serioussness than that of a common article and it is not possible that it will be vandalized without consequences.

I would like you to accept, that the issue with the four above mentioned users, really went out of control. I should probably mention, that the very next action that was discussed to be taken in case that these users continued to vandalize these articles for the greek politicians, would be that a member from the Panhellenic Socialist Movement, or even a Minister himself, to contact Interpol, Europol, or the National Intelligence Services of Greece and ask them to take all the necessary actions in order to stop these Users from vandalizing the pages.

I would like to congradulate you for your serioussness, professionalism as well as the speed in which you replied to my request.

Kind regards


 * There are several issues here. First, it is necessary for me to point out to you that you have again violated our policies with your legal threat. It will not be possible for you to be unblocked while these are outstanding. If you wish to participate as an editor in Wikipedia, you must work through its processes. If you feel must pursue legal remedies, you cannot edit until it is concluded. Second, your misunderstanding of the actions of Wasell suggest to me that you might not be quite as aware of the situation here as you may think. If you look at this link, here, you can see very clearly what content Wasell restored. His changes are marked in red. They are exactly the same as the content added by User:Cplakidas, here. This is a matter of record. Finally, it is not Wikipedia's policy to protect articles from editing prior to the demonstration of a serious need. You have not demonstrated any vandalism to these articles. Even if you disagree with content changes, they seem to be well within Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:37, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello,

there is no legal, or illegal threat on my letter. The consequences of commiting an illegal action, such as vandalizing an article, are the legal consequences according to the Constitution of the country that the individual belongs to. So, in fact what you have named as a "Legal Threat" in legal terms it is actually called, "Legal Actions".

You could be right in relation to the article reffering to mr.Loverdos, but what i wrote was : "As i recall", which means that i did not spend time to read the whole history so this is what i remember since when i last editted it.

I have just understood the reason that these users that were deleting all the context and links from the articles, were not writing the truth relating to the actions that they were performing. By the time that i didn't know the terms and therefore did not find it necessary to write on the bottom of the page which are the changes that i have made, they were even able to report a disruptive-editting, although the actual truth is that they were the ones that were deleting the parts of the article and therefore vandalizing it, while i was the person that was undoing their actions to revert the text into its original form.

By the time that i did not report that the reason that i undid their editting was because of the fact that they deleted a part of the article, they were the ones that were proven as if they were not doing anything wrong, while i was the one that was proven as if i was committing a disruptive-editting fault. This is the reason that my account was blocked.

Interesting.

I believe that you understood what have happened.

I should thank you for pointing out to me the actions that i have to perform in order not to be proven again as a an author that is commiting an action which is not obeying in the principles of editting in wikipedia, while the truth is that the people that have asked for my account to be blocked, are the actual users that vandalized the articles.

It was very useful to communicate with you.

Kind regards

 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing and your ability to edit this talk page has now been revoked, for continuing to make legal threats towards other editors. This conversation is going nowhere. If you would like to be unblocked, you should read the guide to appealing blocks, then contact the unblock mailing list at . Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:41, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Sockpuppet investigations/Former user 9172 for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 00:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)