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Cosmoteer moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Cosmoteer, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. –eggofreason(talk &middot; contribs) 16:21, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Cosmoteer (November 22)
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Kostas20142 (talk) 18:01, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

At 2019 UK Elections
I believe WP:PRIMARY is quite clear that primary sources (such as electoral results taken from official sources [at least, that is where they should be taken from]) are not sufficient except for simple facts (ex. the vote totals of each party in each constituency, etc...). If you wish to include critical commentary on the matter, no matter whether the argument is correct or not, this needs to be sourced to secondary sources such as newspaper articles or scholarly reviews (which, for the subject matter, there surely is plenty...). 107.190.33.254 (talk) 00:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I didn't know that was a rule. I've added back in what I wrote and added secondary source citations. FormularSumo (talk) 10:08, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

No original research
Rather to my own annoyance, (because what you wrote is true, the issue is how you wrote it), I have had to revert your edit again. We have another rule, designed to protect Wikipedia from all sorts of strange and wonderful theories, called WP:No original research. This says that Wikipedia editors [like you, now] may only report what wp:reliable sources say, that we cannot contribute our own theories or analysis. The evidence you produced in support of your contribution says clearly that you produced it from your own analysis of sources. Before you have another go (and I really hope you do), I suggest that you read WP:Synthesis and wp:Conflict of interest (as well as the suggestions in the welcome box I inserted above). Please don't be discouraged, as you spend some time on Wikipedia, you will begin to see fairly quickly why these rules have evolved. Again, welcome to Wikipedia. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:21, 16 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I have re-written the section to give the conclusions and data that ERS and MVM say rather than my own analysis.
 * I'm not as new to Wikipedia as you may think, I've made 300+ edits since joining and created quite a few articles. Still, I didn't know about these rules so thanks for informing me. Hopefully the current revision is fine.
 * Yes, that version looks a lot better, thank you. It really struck me how, in this month's election, the SNP got three times as many seats as the Liberals with a third of the votes.
 * I am surprised that no-one welcomed you before now, yes I see you have been busy. You could hardly be expected to know the rules if they weren't pointed out. If you are feeling really enthusiastic, you might also skim the contents of WP:Manual of Style – not to remember it all but just to know where to look when you are not sure about something. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:56, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Cosmoteer (December 23)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DGG were:

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 DGG ( talk ) 18:02, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

The article Cosmoteer has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "No actual coverage, fails WP:GNG, WP:NVG"

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. –eggofreason(talk &middot; contribs) 23:34, 20 November 2019 (UTC)