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Selfstudier (talk) 07:59, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks,.
 * , were you aware of the extended-confirmed restriction in this area? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 08:11, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This is still true, if you continue to violate the restriction you may be reported to arbitration enforcement.  nableezy  - 20:16, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My bad. I will not create extended-confirmed restricted pages until I get the necessary certification. FortUser (talk) 20:18, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It isnt just creating, you cant edit material related to the topic besides in article talk pages, and even then not in formal discussions like RFCs and requested moves. I removed your comment at the AFD on those grounds as well.  nableezy  - 20:23, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of 2023 Hamra shooting


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April 2023
To enforce an arbitration decision, and for violating the WP:ARBECR restriction in this area, you have been blocked from editing Wikipedia for a period of 24 hours. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block or other sanctions. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing blocks (specifically this section) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page:. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, I suggest you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC)  Reminder to administrators: In May 2014, ArbCom adopted the following procedure instructing administrators regarding Arbitration Enforcement blocks: "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" [in the procedure]). Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped."

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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Wikipedia:Sandbox, you may be blocked from editing. Untamed1910 (talk) 02:08, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
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You need to stop right now. What you are doing is WP:GAMING and by itself is sanctionable behavior. If you want to edit in a restricted topic area you should actually spend some time on the talk pages and editing other pages to get a better understanding about how these pages are put together. But if you keep this up you will be blocked again, and even if you get to 500 edits an admin will remove the permission as it was clearly gotten through gaming the system. So stop, right now.  nableezy  - 02:12, 14 April 2023 (UTC)


 * (and ec) Hi FortUser! Just reiterating some of the above: it's no big deal if you'd like to make a large number of sandbox edits but they aren't a path to extended-confirmed. The point of the extended confirmed protection is to limit contentious article access to editors with a reasonable familiarity with Wikipedia editing processes and consensus decision-making. An editor who reaches that 500-edit cutoff wholly or largely through repetitive sandbox or userpage tweaks has not met the intent of the restriction and will likely have their extended-confirmed right removed. If this is the reason why you're making all these sandbox edits, can I sugegst you stop and just go back to regular editing elsewhere. You'll reach 500 legitimate edits soon enough. -- Euryalus (talk) 02:24, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * How long does it usually take? Have you been editing for years? FortUser (talk) 02:26, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * EC came in right as I first started editing seriously. As I recall, I think it took me a few days -- definitely less than a week -- to reach the plateau.  It can seem daunting, but I promise, it's not that bad.  Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 02:29, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * (ec again) Everyone edits at a different pace. Just edit articles normally and don't worry about collecting new permissions. There's no hurry to dive into contentious topics, and there are plenty of risks in wading into areas where blocks and sanctions fly free. As random advice, for the moment find a less contentious area than Israel-Palestine to work on and create, improve or collaborate on some articles in that space for a while. With the experience you gain there you'll probably be well set up for more contentious areas sooner than you realise. -- Euryalus (talk) 02:30, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as Dumuzid said, EC arrives quickly enough legitimately. Generally, if you create an account and immediately start editing seriously, you'll reach 500 long before 30 days. Also, the WP:ARBPIA area is a minefield, and it really isn't a pleasant place to start editing. Nor is any Contentious topic for that manner. Can I direct you to the Task center if you want an idea of where to start? Much, much safer, and less likely to send you to WP:ANI. Mako001 (C) (T)  🇺🇦 02:40, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Are the only four big topics affected by EC listed in WP:ECP (Arab-Israeli conflict, Anti-Semitism in Poland, Russia-Ukraine war, and India-Pakistan war)? Or are there any others listed that aren't listed? FortUser (talk) 02:40, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There are many. Gamergate was an early protected topic.  Caste issues have likewise been protected for quite some time.  You can find the exhaustive list here.  One of the things I did when I was working towards 500 edits was to simply read articles that fascinated me (non-ECP, of course) and copyedit them.  Fix typos.  Correct punctuation, that sort of thing.  You'd be amazed how much of that work is needed and how quickly the edits will accumulate. Dumuzid (talk) 02:48, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Nitpick: That is not an exhaustive list of topics affected by WP:ARBECR, and it will inevitably contain protections in areas that are not covered by it too. For example, quite a few pages are extended-confirmed protected per WP:ARBAP2, but there is no general extended-confirmed restriction for American Politics. So please better ignore that list. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:33, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If an article not related to the above four topics doesn't have ECP, may I edit it? FortUser (talk) 04:56, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * , if you have not yet been made formally aware of the restriction in an area, and are genuinely unaware of it, there is no issue. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:36, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * But you can also not edit material related to those topics either. If you want to edit Jimmy Carter about his health go for it. If you want to edit about Camp David or his later book like Peace not Apartheid, do not.  nableezy  - 04:59, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There are some pages relating to those topics (e.g. Commentary on Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid) which doesn't even have semi-protection. Why is that the case? May anyone edit that? If not, why doesn't it have ECP. FortUser (talk) 05:02, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not just the Arab-Israeli conflict. List of military engagements during the Russian invasion of Ukraine has the same problem. FortUser (talk) 05:04, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Its because it hasnt been requested yet for those articles, but no the sanction is in place even if the protection is not there. Just dont edit about those topics in articles, regardless of protection. Like Euryalus said below, just go edit some other topics for now and get a handle on how things go here.  nableezy  - 06:53, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Same for India-Pakistan. See Operation Desert Hawk. FortUser (talk) 05:08, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There is no extended-confirmed restriction for WP:ARBIPA. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 10:35, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Is ECP automatically granted at 500 edits, assuming 30 days? Or do I have to formally request it? FortUser (talk) 05:09, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It is automatically granted, but can also be removed if there is evidence of gaming the system. If it is removed it will not be automatically reinstated, so you'd have to apply for it if that ever occurred. I wouldn't worry about that right now though, just go do some editing. :) -- Euryalus (talk) 06:46, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

One thing I personally don't really understand is why 99% of Wikipedia's new editors seem to have no issue with avoiding the few highly-contentious restricted topics and editing about trees, animal species, ancient history, sports events, whatever, while a (perceived) 1% isn't just magically drawn towards extended-confirmed restricted topics but then also continues to seek for loopholes, exceptions, clarifications, instead of joining the other 99% through the Task Center or the community portal. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 10:43, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

ANI
Please see WP:ANI  nableezy  - 02:19, 14 April 2023 (UTC)


 * As I said earlier, I erred. I will no longer try to game EC. Please don't block me. FortUser (talk) 02:23, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * (Just to preempt the question: No, this area does not have an extended-confirmed restriction.) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:30, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Selenium (software) \ Wikipedia application \ Proof of concept


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 * I wanted to demonstrate my Lorem Ipsum text as a proof of concept on a seperate page. The main page is Selenium (software). FortUser (talk) 00:05, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

April 2023
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Courcelles (talk) 00:05, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Please unblock me. I just wanted to preempt a potential mistake. I'm really sorry and didn't know that was prohibited. I will no longer seek ECP. Please unblock me. FortUser (talk) 00:08, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

For someone warned so extensively on gaming to be making pages like Selenium (software) \ Wikipedia application \ Proof of concept is unacceptable. You have disrupted this project enough. Courcelles (talk) 00:07, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * In the main page Selenium (software), I wanted to prove the topic. Please unblock me. It was an honest mistake and I won't do it again. I thought it wasn't gaming if I wanted to warn you in advance about something. I did it in the wrong way but I thought it was legitamite. Please unblock me soon. FortUser (talk) 00:09, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * See this revision (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Selenium_(software)&oldid=1150221451). I honestly thought it was legitamite. I was showing how Selenium could be misused and wanted to warn the admin about it. FortUser (talk) 00:11, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * To add to the above: as noted above there have been multiple attempts to explain what gaming the system is, and to encouragee you to make productive edits. We're now at the point of diminishing returns. If you genuinely didn't know that your edit to the selenium article wasn't appropriate, or that the lorem ipsum spam page wasn't appropriate, then you need to work on your Wikipedia skills and background knowledge before returning to editing. If you're interested, there's more info on this topic at this essay. You might reasonably demonstrate you have these skills and background knowledge by proposing some viable edits to articles on your talkpage and getting others to review them. Alternatively you might go work on some other Wikipedia (commons, Simple, another language etc) and come back here in a few moths with evidence of productive editing elsewhere. Maybe even just spend a few months reading Wikipedia articles until you can demonstrate you know a bit more about what is and is not acceptable in articles. Unfortunately unless/until these steps occur, your account will likely stay blocked. -- Euryalus (talk) 00:27, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the email but I still don't support an unblock for the reasons already listed. Your additional unblock request above can be considered by a third party. -- Euryalus (talk) 01:40, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I am also acknowledging the email that you sent to me, but I don't see anything in the subsequent discussion to change the reason for the decline. To comment on a specific request in your email (and in your above unblock request), I do not think it at all appropriate to change the block from indefinite to a timed block; the issues that caused the block are not something to "wait out". - Aoidh (talk) 02:20, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You can also just respond here, email is not necessary. To respond to your second email, however, where you ask What is there left to do? Please advise. I would suggest looking at Standard offer and going from there. Making subsequent unblock requests only minutes after the decline of the previous one (ten minutes and five minutes, respectively) does not show that you're taking the time to read and trying to understand the reason for the block and the decline of the unblock requests. You said please advise and my advice is to slow down. The rapid-fire unblock requests and the ECP-gaming issue have the same underlying appearance of rushing too fast. Take a few months, read, absorb the information, and then make an unblock request. Show that you're not going to rush, that you understand the underlying issues, and that they will not be repeated. - Aoidh (talk) 02:53, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Is your advice literally to come back in a few months? I don't think my unblock request can get better if I take a break for a few months. Please advise. FortUser (talk) 03:03, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My advice, again, is to slow down. Read the things that are being said and shared with you because the answer to your questions are all already there. My advice was not to simply "come back in a few months". - Aoidh (talk) 03:21, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe I've already fulfilled the second condition of the standard offer. How long should I wait? Is there any chance I can get the six month threshold shortened? FortUser (talk) 03:00, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Euryalus how much do I have edit elsewhere or propose good edits here? Should I wait a few months before coming back? FortUser (talk) 03:06, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I mispoke. Should I wait a few months before proposing edits or should I do so immediately? FortUser (talk) 03:06, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * How will I demonstrate that I know more rules? FortUser (talk) 03:08, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pings and the further email. It's getting a bit repetitive, please see the advice above from Aoidh and my earlier comments on what to do if you want to be unblocked. Read the policies, build up some evidence of productive editing (example: write an entire, properly sourced article in your sandbox page). When these steps are done, ask for an unblock (via the usual template that you used above) and see how it goes. Until then I'm not going to keep replying in real time given there's nothing new to say. All the best. -- Euryalus (talk) 04:32, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that this block is sitewide so they can't edit their sandbox, they will need to do it here. 331dot (talk) 09:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey there! Sorry to butt in, but may I offer FortUser the WP:SO? Cheers! Fakescientist8000 19:36, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Ctrl+F "Wikipedia:Standard offer" ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:10, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Very well. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 00:46, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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