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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Ashwini Bhat Profile 2012.jpg


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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Ashwini Bhat 2012.jpg


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Your submission at Articles for creation
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Your email
I received your email regarding "Ashwini Bhat". In order to address it point-by-point I would like to copy the body of it here. I will leave out your email address of course.

If you prefer, you may post a revised version of it here. I am logging out of Wikipedia but I should be back within 12-48 hours. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  03:01, 10 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I received your second email. I prefer to communicate about Wikipedia articles "out in public" so everyone can see.  If you will re-post your emails to me here OR give me permission to re-post them here for you, then I can reply.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  04:46, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

David, I'm not really sure how (technically) to interact here. If I write this, do you see it? I'm fine about communicating in public. Just not adept at it. But yes, you have my permission to post the body of my Bhat entry here if it will help me to see how more properly to edit it. Thanks. Forthgone (talk) 17:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I see this. I have your talk page on my "watchlist" (see special:watchlist for your personal watchlist, and Help:Watching pages for help regarding the "watchlist" feature), which I check almost every day that I edit.  I wanted permission to post your emails to me.  There is no need to copy the content of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ashwini Bhat here, since that's already "on wiki" for everyone to see.
 * So, do I have your permission to copy the bodies of both of the emails I received here? If not, that is okay, you may wish to just rewrite your questions here.  In any case, once a question is asked here, I'll try my best to answer it.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  23:03, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Great. And I can see from the responses of others that you have extended yourself on many occasions. Thank you. So yes, I'll rewrite my questions here. In the denial of my posting of an article on Ashwini Bhat, you suggested that there were two major errors. I'm not sure I understand them completely, but this is how I understand them. 1. That by making links to museums and galleries where her work has been exhibited, and perhaps by linking The Howard Foundation Award to both the Howard Foundation website and to the page that lists her as a recipient of the award, I am promoting her rather than providing information. My thinking was that in terms of "verifiability," it was necessary to show her relation to those exhibitions and awards. 2. The second major observation has to do with citations by people with whom she is somehow "connected." But I don't see any of those besides the reference to my own article about her work which, since I am a professional writer and since my essay on her work appeared in a major juried trade journal, I thought would be relevant. As Bhat is really a significant ceramic artist, winning significant prizes and exhibiting her work on three continents, the flaws in representing her as a significant artist must be my own. I'm grateful for any suggestions you have. Thanks again. Forthgone (talk) 03:38, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Are there non-primary, reliable sources that are "independent" of Ms. Bhat which say pretty much the same things as the sources you are using? See Reliable sources and No original research to get an idea of the kinds of sources Wikipedia prefers.  Primary sources, which include a listing of who exhibited at a given gallery that was created by that gallery or an announcement of who won a given award by the people who are giving the award are allowed but secondary sources are strongly preferred.  A local or better yet non-local newspaper, magazine, or journal that meets the criteria in Reliable sources which listed her appearances in galleries and her awards would be better than the primary sources.  Just be sure to use a source that Wikipedia considers reliable.  The lack of secondary, reliable sources independent of the person is a good but not certain indication of a lack of notability.
 * As for your second question, any gallery which stands to make money or gain prestige by displaying her works is "connected" to her in the sense that concerns Wikipedia. The connected-ness is almost always 2-way.  Being "connected" isn't a huge issue for merely factual information but it can be a major issue when it comes to opinions.  For example, if you used a gallery web page as a reference for "Bhat displayed her work at XYZ gallery" that would be okay because it's purely factual, although a newspaper or other secondary source would be strongly preferred.  If you used that same gallery's web site as a reference to "Bhat's work is the best work in the field in the last 10 years" that would not be okay because the gallery's opinion could be perceived as being biased by the fact that they are showing her works.  However, if that same gallery said "Joe Expert (were Joe Expert is a recognized expert and is not affiliated with the gallery in question) said 'Bhat's work is the best work in the field in the last 10 years'" then that would probably be fine because it's some other expert's opinion, not the gallery's, which you are citing.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  04:05, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
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AfC notification: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ashwini Bhat has a new comment
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Ashwini Bhat (2) (January 2)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Ashwini Bhat (2) (March 9)
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AfC notification: Draft:Ashwini Bhat (2) has a new comment
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