User talk:FotoDutch

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 * Thanks, I improved the link to Westerwolde (region)!FotoDutch (talk) 10:09, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Quotations
Hi I see you've been adding large numbers of quotations to various articles. That's generally discouraged – in general, brief quotations may be included when (and only when) they are the subject of discussion in the text. There's some guidance here and here, not perhaps as clear as it might be. Any quotation must be attributed to the source (the real source, that is, not Wikiquote); in the case of a translation of the original, the translator must also be attributed. May I suggest that you remove any other bulk additions of quotations that you've made, and from now on seek consensus on the article talk-page before adding any more elsewhere? I think that would be wise.

Since I'm here: please take care not to edit-war over this (or indeed anything else). If your edit has been reverted, your next step is not to make the same edit again, as you did at Frédéric Bazille, but to start a discussion on the talk-page. Thank you, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:56, 6 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hallo,

Thank you for beginning the talk here and now. You give a lot of arguments, so I will try to answer them.
 * - large numbers of quotes: I limited them consciously till 5 quotes. And selected them over the years of the artist, so they support the life story of the artist in that. I know the m all rather well, so I can select characteristic quotes of them from Wikiquote where I attributed most of them, recent years. you are talking about a bulk of quotes. I don't think 5 quotes are a bulk. And I selected not long ones, as you can find many on Wikiquote, which is appropriate there.
 * - the 'real source': this sounds not very nice; Wikiquote is a very serious source. When I selected artists-quotes during the last six years from the books and online (like Archive), I noticed that only 20-25% was cited the original source. The rest was all cited by... another book. And then Wikiquote is just the next book, I believe. That is common practice in quotes since 150 years.To give the [detailed] link to Wikiquote for every quote I paced on Wikipedia, is much more useful for the interested reader, because he can find there connected quotes of the artist at once. So the integration of Wikipedia and Wikiquote grows. From the other side I do the same, on Wikiquote I frequently give a related link to Wikipedia. Or to Wikimedia-Commons. So you help the reader with useful and connected content, I believe.
 * - about the Bazille-quotes I placed back: Why was it removed suddenly, without a talk? Only a short and very general sentence as comment and explination? There the talk could have started already, isn't it? Not very respectful for my work, I believe. To select the 5 quotes of Bazille and to connect them with the content on Wikipedia I spent a few hours work. And than that is removed in a few seconds.. My part of the conflict is that I have not much experience in starting a talk. So I am gratefully that you started it here. Or must I place this in the talk-page of the last Bazille-update? If you can help me in that with an advice, I thank you very much.

I started my project of attributing small collections of artist-quotes on Wikipedia, to supplement the general information about the artist by others with his of her own information as an artist. So an integration grows, together with the images of the visual artists's works. So the reader can combine these three different sources and make an own opinion.

Thanks for your suggestion to remove them. But I don't remove them for some weeks if you don't mind; so other Wikipedia people can see them and judge them, together with this talk. If I remove them now; nobody can judge them anymore. They are invisible. If people judge after a discussion it is not appropriate, I will remove them and go back working exclusively on Wikiquote. Then I have tried at least.

Artwork captions
Hello FotoDutch, please familiarize yourself with standard Wikipedia caption style. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts/ Captions too. Thanks. Coldcreation (talk) 17:06, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will read it and repair the wrong things I did! Can you advice me how I can use / upload pictures of artist's works for a Gallery on Wikipedia if I can't find almost anything on WikiCommons?
 * Which artists work? The artist has to have died 71 years ago for uploading at Commons (in general). At Wikipedia English you can upload images of works that were published before 1923. See my user page for examples. Coldcreation (talk) 12:00, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * For instance Karl Schmidt-Rottluff: 1905-1976..
 * Since not dead for 71 years, you can't upload to Commons until 2047, when his works will become public domain. You can upload images of his work to WP English, here, if and only if the work in question was published (reproduced) in a magazine, newspaper, catalogue, etc. before 1923. You may be asked to provide a link to where it was published. I usually include the reference in the image file page. Coldcreation (talk) 12:20, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The work of Luigi Russolo for example, became public domain this year, because he died in 1947. That is why they are at Commons. Coldcreation (talk) 12:26, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I understand! And when museums published for instance a work of Karl Schmidt-Rottluff, he painted in 1943? Published online in the public domain, because they own it and have the rights? Some do!
 * See here for an explanation. Coldcreation (talk) 12:38, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I will read!

Please familiarize yourself with standard Wikipedia caption style. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts/ Captions before continuing to write captions... Coldcreation (talk) 13:48, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hallo, Coldcreation -I find many different ways of descriptions in the captions on Wikipedia, that is the problem. Please tell me just what you mean / tell me what I am doing wrong. Do you mean I must use the sequence: artist|title|year|medium???? Better is, just give me a good example of what is right to do in the caption - or indicate what I am doing wrong - I think that works better.FotoDutch (talk) 14:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC) I made a new Gallery as example. Did I do the new Gallery of the painter Théodore Rousseau in the right way?? Please, give your comment..  ...  .And this new Gallery of Willem Roelofs?? It is almost the same, but in front is now given his name first; is that necessary, as the template standard Wikipedia caption style says...? It gives much repetition. I selected for Roelofs deliberately works from his early (Romantic) style, from his middle and from his late style - ànd different subjects, as he did in reality.FotoDutch (talk) 16:39, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Here is an example: Jean Metzinger, 1912, Danseuse au café (Dancer in a café), oil on canvas, 146.1 x 114.3 cm, Albright-Knox Art Gallery, Buffalo, New York Coldcreation (talk) 12:42, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * In a gallery of works, the name of the artist is not needed. You can start with title, then date. Notice there is no :  or  ;  after the date. Coldcreation (talk) 12:42, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I really can't believe you want me to use the model of the given Metzinger image-caption inside a Gallery full of images. Do you? I looked at your many corrections you did last days, and will follow their model. Thanks for that. Stupid thing that it is not allowed to place a ; after the year. It gives a clear break for readers, I think. But I will follow, next times.
 * There's just no need for : or ; (I noticed you used both). The date is formed of numbers, followed by an italic title made of letters is a sufficient "break" for readers. Coldcreation (talk) 13:24, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * and yet you continue to incorrectly punctuate captions. Read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts/ Captions. Coldcreation (talk) 09:13, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
 * So even with the location?! You didn't tell me! I will do! Nice weekend.FotoDutch (talk) 09:25, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * I made a correction: good link is: Museum of Fine Arts, BostonFotoDutch (talk) 09:37, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Caption punctuation
There are no periods in captions (except at the end of a complete sentence). See corrections here, and observe the example I've already given you above. Coldcreation (talk) 11:08, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I did not place them, only to 'The Sick Child' which you removed as major work. Because the Sick Child had an own page on Wikipedia, so it is useful. Can you replace the image of the Sick Child back?! It is a major work of Munch, a remembrance of Munch's young sister who died very early; her death was very impressive for Munch and he made several works of her. I placed the first version painting as major work. I don't like you remove all kind of things I place. Very discouraging.FotoDutch (talk) 13:40, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Must have happened as a result of an edit conflict. You can replace it if you like. Coldcreation (talk) 15:05, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, than I know what has happened. Do you perhaps know some images of landscape-paintings of Gabriele Munter which are allowed to use? Or maybe a source where I can look for them? Now the Gallery there is so empty..FotoDutch (talk) 09:51, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

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Copyright questions
could you please provided proof or evidence that the files you recently uploaded are in the public domain in the United States? If not they will be removed from Wikipedia. Note, just because someone says so on another website is not proof. If any of these paintings were published before 1923 you need to show where: full reference with link if possible. Coldcreation (talk) 17:33, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Wikiart is not some website where somebody says something. You know better, of course! Wikiart presents and describes more than 250.000 pictures of art, worldwide. This is their policy on copyright: WikiArt presents both public domain and copyright protected artworks. The latter are showcased in accordance with fair use principle:
 * * as historically significant artworks
 * * as used for informational and educational purposes
 * * as readily available on the internet
 * * as low resolution copies unsuitable for commercial use We respond to notices of alleged copyright infringement and remove copyright protected artworks, or block them for users from countries where infringement is alerted. But mostly we try to get artist's permission to demonstrate his art, and confirm it with a credit line. We provide information to help copyright holders manage their intellectual property online. If you think somebody is violating your copyrights and want to notify us, please submit the notice by wikipaintings@gmail.com. Did you ever noticed or experienced nasty things about copyrights from Wikiart? Or did you hear about it? Till now I never heard. So, I believe it is a reliable source to mention. If you have a different opinion than start a discussion about the question and ask other Wikipedians about their experiences with Wikiart as a source; instead of just removing things beforehand.FotoDutch (talk) 21:51, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It's really quite simple. You tagged several images as published before 1923. Show where they were published. If you cannot, the file will be deleted. Wikiart is loaded with works they claim are free in the US, and they are in fact not. Since you uploaded the images to Wikipedia, you alone are responsible for providing justification for doing so. Coldcreation (talk) 22:13, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * We've had this discussion before; here, and above here: "You can upload images [...] to WP English [...] if the work in question was published (reproduced) in a magazine, newspaper, catalogue, etc. before 1923. You may be asked to provide a link to where it was published." Coldcreation (talk) 22:26, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You asked me some questions, but even before I could answer, you removed already all the images. Not very nice. So I replaced them, so the discussion can go on. Meanwhile I sent a mail to Wikiart to ask them information about their use of the mentioned 'Public Domain US' on each image. I am waiting what they will answer. Till now I never heard about copyright-problems for Wikiart. And you neither, otherwise you had told.
 * Thanks for the suggestion of 'faire-use'. I was thinking about it also already, but still don't know how to handle it yet. If you think this is the right option, why don't you change the permission of the images at once? Than the problem is solved, isn't it? And you have much more experience than I have in this matters! I can imagine you will also appreciate to see more pictures on the pages of artists like Gabriele Münter, Maurice de Vlaminck and many possible other artists. They really deserve a picture-Gallery as illustration of the text about their work and life. Especially in the pictures of De Vlaminck it was very good possible to illustrate his fast swifts in style and color in only a few years. That tells a lot, isn't it? All the bestFotoDutch (talk) 10:21, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair use is likely not a good option for de Vlaminck, since other images are available (the ones I uploaded already). For Münter that might be a viable option, in which case the most notable works could be uploaded at low resolution. Wikiart is loaded with non-free images they state erroneously are free in the U.S. I can give you hundreds of examples. The ones you posted are but a few. Unfortunately, it is likely those images will be removed. If you would like, I can help with some non-free fair use uploads. Let me know what that website provides as evidence for Public Domain US", though I am confident they have no idea if these images were published prior to 1923 (or why they claim of PD-US). Incidentally, if you look through the links I have posted of de Vlaminck images in the article, there may be others published before 1923 that I have not uploaded... Coldcreation (talk) 10:54, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ...such as this image that I just uploaded (note the link to where it was published in 1908): Maurice de Vlaminck, 1907, Le bassin à Chatou (White Sailboat at Chatou), oil on canvas, 60.2 x 73.7 cm, private collection. Coldcreation (talk) 11:07, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ...or this one that I just uploaded (note the link to where it was published in 1919): Maurice de Vlaminck, c.1910, Le pont de Poissy, oil on canvas, 46.4 x 54.9 cm. Coldcreation (talk) 11:30, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your suggestions. de Vlaminck's are good images for his after-fauvist period. I let you know about the answer of Wikiart. And I am glad for your help. Can you learn me somehow how to upload images in free use?. I take now a short break because I just lost a very good friend.FotoDutch (talk) 10:14, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Condolences regarding your friend. Until one of de Vlaminck's Fauve paintings are found published in the literature prior to 1923 (or other valid criteria)—such as The River Seine at Chatou, 1906, already in the article—they cannot be uploaded with the PD-US license. Before uploading images in free use, make sure they are indeed free use. Are you referring to uploading at Wikipedia or Commons? Coldcreation (talk) 09:59, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

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 * Hallo Kudpung,
 * Thanks for the hint how to contest your proposed deletion. Please give me some more time to translate first more text on the Dutch Wikipedia about this group.FotoDutch (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


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 * Okay, thanks for the hint. How do I submit the article for approval to AfC?? And what do you mean by: Don't forget the attribution for the translation?? I am not recently-experienced on Wikipedia.FotoDutch (talk) 11:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You will see there is now the official draft template on your draft. The instructions for submitting it are are on it. For the translation attrib., please see Help:Translation. We recommend option (b). You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:13, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I submitted it, thanks
 * Takes four months, about.
 * I never use the translation option any more: so, just starting the article for new is your advice?! FotoDutch (talk) 11:22, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

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