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 Sincerely, S0091 (talk) 17:53, 22 March 2020 (UTC)  [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:S0091&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:WelcomeVisual/user-talk_preload (Leave me a message)]

Date formats
Please refrain from using purely numeric date formats on Wikipedia, as you did on COVID-19 vaccination programme in the United Kingdom. A date written as 01/02/03 means 1 February 2003 to a European, 2 January 2003 to an American or 3 February 2001 to a Japanese. Rather, use one of the date formats that is standard across Wikipedia: ' for articles on British/European topics, ' for articles on American topics, otherwise just keep it consistent throughout the article. Formats such as 29 July 2024 or the ISO format  may also be used where brevity is desired such as in tables. Please see Manual of Style/Dates and numbers for more information on how to write dates in Wikipedia articles. Thank you. — Smjg (talk) 10:47, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Many thanks for that tip, most appreciated! As a relative newbie, I didn't realise the numeric standard but always good to pick up these little gems of info... Thanks for taking the time to point it out. Cheers.  FotoFree (talk) 00:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

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Articles on aviation accidents
Hi FotoFree. I noticed your recent edit to Kegworth air disaster in which your Edit summary said “Restored original wording as, generally, the page title should be the subject of the first sentence unless an exception applies which it doesn't in this case. As per MOS:FIRST.” See your diff.

I don’t have a problem with the edit you made to Kegworth air disaster but I am a little concerned at your statement that “… generally, the page title should be the subject of the first sentence unless an exception applies which it doesn't in this case. See MOS:FIRST.”

MOS:FIRST is broadly applicable to articles in general. You may not be aware that the Aviation accident task force provides explicit advice regarding the title of articles on aviation accidents, and explicit advice regarding the lead section of these articles. This advice is not identical to MOS:FIRST and in some ways is at variance with it. Article naming conventions are provided at WikiProject Aviation/Aviation accident task force. The recommended title usually includes the name of the airline and the flight number despite the fact that the flight number is usually not notable, and often trivial. The name of the airline often has no relevance to the accident or its causes.

(Note that “Kegworth air disaster” does not meet any of the recommended formats for a title for an aviation accident article.)

The composition of the lead of an aviation accident article should conform to the guidelines provided at: WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Layout (Accidents) where it says:
 * Lead – The lead section is not titled. It should be a summary of the accident and should reflect the content of the body of the article. As a minimum, it needs to detail the location, airline and aircraft involved, the number of people involved and, once known, the official cause of the accident.

Notice that Flight number is not mentioned. Nothing is said to suggest that the title of the article should be incorporated into the first sentence, or even the lead section. This appears to be at variance with the general advice at MOS:FIRST.

I believe there are many articles on aviation accidents that do not incorporate the title into the first sentence, or the lead section. This is most reasonable because the Flight number, and often the name of the airline, are trivial and do not qualify under “should reflect the content of the body of the article.”

When assessing the first sentence and the lead section of an article on an aviation accident please use the criteria established by the Aviation accident task force rather than MOS:FIRST. If you disagree with this interpretation please raise the matter with the Task force. Cheers. Dolphin ( t ) 13:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)