User talk:Fowler&fowler/Archive 3

Role as a copyeditor
Hi Fowler&Fowler! We have a lot of articles on WP:FAC that need to be copyedited for "brilliant prose". As such, WP India does not have a dedicated copyeditor for such a process. Would you be interested in helping as a copyeditor? An average of 3 India-related articles are rolled out each month on FAC. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  13:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The FAC process works this way: An editor takes the lead and works on the article. After peer review and incorporating changes, the article will be more or less stable. At this point the editor requests a copyedit for grammar, choppiness, and removing redundancy. Once done, the article is submitted to FAC.
 * Unlike other FAC nominations, Indian articles usually see minor activity when on FAC due to the heavy-duty internal peer review which sorts out most issues. We also happen to be one of the most active wikiprojects in getting articles featured.
 * See Delhi. Though it passed FAC, the prose is not up to the mark IMO. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  14:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Indian mathematics
Greetings, I no longer can keep up the pace. My exams will continue and after that I will be leaving, taking a few days off WP. I have reviewed my future with the Indian mathematics article, and have come to the conclusion that since I am under time constraints and am under such pressure in real life that adequate responses or editing actions on "Indian mathematics" are just not possible for me right now. I can't contribute to it in the manner that I usually would; it would be unethical to the extreme to ask the other editors, who have wished me well during my examination, to wait. The article is under the watch of many good editors and I see and hope that it's quality benefits from the present situation. Many regards, Freedom skies 02:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Takshashila University
I left a comment back on the Talkpage in regard to your past one. Steve 13:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Scharfe (2002) is miscited on the Taxila page as well. CiteCop 16:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I redirected Takshashila University to Taxila ages ago, migrating over whatever verifiable content there was but IAF kept reverting it. I did a lot of the verification stuff myself, reading Education in Ancient India (both the Scharfe and the Altekar). Neither made the claim that Taxila was the oldest university in the world. CiteCop 18:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * We'll see how long it lasts before someone reverts it.
 * I used both Scharfe and Altekar to try to verify the "oldest university" claim. I figured if 2 books called Education in Ancient India wouldn't verify it, it didn't reflect the academic consensus on the matter. CiteCop 00:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Re Unre4L
Hey Fowler. Regarding your message. The decision has pretty much been reached. The Arbcom only considered banning the 4 Pakistani users who stood up to Indian Pov. No mention of any other user even getting a warning.

A 1 year ban each is in order. Apparently its a bigger crime to question Indian Pov than to make racist remarks against Pakistanis, Muslims and their Prophet, and hijacking articles. It was nice knowing you in particular. I wish you the best.

Here is the link to my last comments. -- Unre4L  ﺍﹸﻧﺮﮮﺍﻝ  UT 13:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Reply
Thanks alot for your message Fowler.You can visit the main page of the case here.On the main page you can click the links to the workshop page,the evidence page and the proposed descision page.You can also visit the discussion pages of these sections to post any comments/evidence that you have.

The descision already seems to have been made.We are to be banned for one year.All four of us.The only question is which day the bans are due to be set.

Well Fowler most of my contributions to wikipedia were a good pastime hobby.During my one year ban (assuming I might decide to return after the ban,which does not seem likely anymore) I'll be switching to my old hobbies of reading books and going back on my flight simulator.I have flown on the cessna skyhawk 2 seater when about 2 years ago once for half an hour with an instructor.I was hoping to go back and do full time training and get my private pilots liscense by the end of the summer but it will have to wait until I get my studies done. Since I won't be able to go for a full time training,I'll just do the flight simulator for fun until I go back to full time training.

As for reading books,I don't know what your favorite literature is,but I love science fiction.Right now I am reading a book on Clark Kent.It's not really about Superman,but more about Clark Kent and how he's struggling with an ordinary life.That's why I enjoy television shows like Smallville as oppossed to any Superman movie or book.Smallville isn't really about Superman,but an extraordinary person trying to cope with human society.Actually you don't have to be a Superman fan (I'm not really a fan of any franchise except Star Wars) to enjoy Smallville.

I just love science fiction.I once bought the first issue of the Darkover series.I unfortunately wasn't able to get a hold of the direct sequel,but instead issues that go all the way ahead into episode #50.If I find the direct sequel,I'll be able to enjoy the series better and read them in chronological order.

So Fowler that's what I'll be doing for the next year or so to keep myself occupied aside from my studies during my pastime.If there's anything I can do for you,you can always email me but you must have your email adress in your preferences section to be able to do that.

All the best.--Nadirali نادرالی

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Greetings
Happy Holi !!--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: FAC copy editor
Yup, I mean the brilliant prose clause for WP:FAC. There are no Indian articles on FAC, but Delhi which passed recently could do with a copyedit to reduce it's choppiness. We've listed it for a copyedit so that we can use the content to feature New Delhi. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  06:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

India Demographics
Because of India's rich diversity, no one image can represent all of India's one billion people. That is why I propose selecting a new demographics image every three months. This would allow for a regional balance and would show India as a whole. Many people have agreed that this is the only way to represent India's rich and varied diversity. Since you have voted for a change in the demographics section, I wanted to update you on this proposal. I would love to hear your comments on talk:India. Thanks so much. Have a great day!

-Coollemonade 23:50, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Shahbag
Will you you take a look at the article Shahbag? Ragib thinks it may deserve a FA drive. So, where do we begin? Aditya Kabir 17:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think I understand what you are saying. But, can you show me an example? Something to do with a subject not generally interesting to all people, but the article is formed in such a way that it became generally interesting. Aditya Kabir 09:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

No personal attacks
Do not make personal attacks in edit summaries as you did here Sarvagnya 08:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Fowler, instead of using such edit summaries, this may be an option to handle the situation. Just keep your calm, and don't call someone a troll, regardless of the disruption :). Thanks. --Ragib 13:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Salwar Kameez
Hello Fowler&fowler, thanks for all your improvements to the Salwar Kameez article. I added the reference because it supported the sentence that stated that the Salwar Kameez is also referred to as the Punjabi suit (and why it is referred to as such). Please read the section titled Kurta Churdiar in the reference. I hope this helps! Thanks, AnupamTalk 02:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Socks on India page
"ace sock-buster"? :) I will look into the matter. - Aksi_great (talk) 16:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

While I do think those group of users are one and the same, I suggest launching an RFCU for this to make sure. --Ragib 17:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Done - Aksi_great (talk) 17:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like eliminating sockpuppetry has become a passion for me. The battle continues... - Aksi_great (talk) 10:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

New Delhi
Fowler, if you havent realized, the demographics of a region do not change if you go one kilometer away! If you would like to better my edits, please go ahead. But do not revert edits that benefit the article. Nikkul 14:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

History of Pakistan
Hi Fowler. Sure, we could remove the disclaimer if it could be properly incorporated into the lead. The lead leaves several serious problems which need to be resolved. An important one, for example, is the first sentence that says that Pakistan's pre-1947 history "overlaps" with that of Afghanistan, India and Iran. For this to happen, Pakistan should exist pre-20th century at least as an idea in somebody's mind. The word "overlaps" is cited from a book that has received several unfavorable critiques from reviewers for its "complete lack of objectivity", "dangerous narrative that it will not guide younger historians in Pakistan towards proper national self-criticism", "disquieting", "the official Pakistani point of view", etc. I think the exact situation needs to be explained much more explicitly. The best solution, however, is to follow the approach that reputed encyclopediae like Britannica follow on this subject. That's how their article begins: "This discussion treats the history of Pakistan largely since the country's founding. For earlier history, see India: History." deeptrivia (talk) 21:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Insofar as Encarta is concerned, you might find this interesting. The wikipedia article on it mentions people criticizing it for "pandering to local prejudices instead of presenting subjects objectively " If Encarta's version of Pakistan's history has to sound much like a chapter from Pakistan Studies for whatever reason, we perhaps can try to do a better job. Starting "History of Pakistan" from IVC (or any point prior to 1940) is inherently revisionist and POV, but if we have to do it anyway (but why?), at least make it clear to the readers what exactly we are doing. deeptrivia (talk) 23:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Anyway, the bigger issue of content could be discussed with more people on a longer time scale, for now let us try to work on the lead to make it less misleading. deeptrivia (talk) 23:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I completely agree with the case for History of Nepal, and that for History of West Bengal to be merged into History of Bangladesh (to be named as History of Bengal. I completely agree with the point of having History of Punjab, History of Sindh, History of Balochistan, etc., but History of Pakistan is a very different case -- Punjab and Sindh, it can be argued for example, have been closer to Bengal and Assam than to Balochistan. So in what context would you put Pakistani Punjab and Balochistan together, but exclude Indian Punjab? All these references are coming from the same university (Saeed Shafqat is affiliated to Columbia, although he also seems to be the chairman of the Department of Pakistan Studies at the Quaid-i-Azam University, Islamabad; Ayesha Jalal was at Columbia too, where (as an aside) it seems she was denied tenure, which she blamed on an Indian conspiracy, only to be dismissed by the court). Let's try to find out if this idea is more widespread among scholarship. I think the reason we see these people cited everywhere is that these are the only people who are working on "History of Pakistan" as being separate from the History of rest of the region, so whenever an encyclopedia editor looks for authors for national histories, s/he finds them for Pakistan, regardless of whether they are the best people to write the history of that region or not. Sorry, if I am sounding too skeptic here. If you agree, we can focus on the correcting the lead for now, about which the argument remains the same regardless of the bigger issue of content. I think that issue would be much easier to sort out. deeptrivia (talk) 03:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, when you said you are not on any side of this "dispute", I didn't quite get it :) Which dispute? deeptrivia (talk) 03:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been trying to see which universities do it which way. Here's what I found out till now: Columbia, Berkeley: this vs. this, yale, ..(more to come). deeptrivia (talk) 03:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with much of what you said. One problem with presenting a history of Pakistan, as I mentioned earlier, is that putting up histories of these disparate regions together gives an impression of isolated regions like Baluchistan and Pakistani Punjab being more related than other parts of the same region (Indian Punjab). Such an impression becomes inherently misleading. To give a perhaps silly example, a general article on Anatomy of Mammals makes sense. Articles on Anatomy of Cows, Anatomy of Rabbits, Anatomy of Deers, Anatomy of Whales, Anatomy of Echidnas, Anatomy of Horses, Anatomy of Bats all make sense. But a separate article on "Anatomy of Cows, Bats and Echidnas" sounds out of place. Anyway, reading Ayesha Jalal's "Conjuring Pakistan: History as Official Imagining" right now. It's quite nicely written. Read it if you get some time. Cheers :) deeptrivia (talk) 04:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've been proposing renaming History of India to "History of the Indian subcontinent", and having regional articles for Punjab, Sind, Gujarat, Bengal, Nepal, etc. Reasons are twofold: (1) Even as a 12 year-old, I read it that way in my Dorling Kindersley's Children's Illustrated Encyclopedia (There was one "History of the Indian subcontinent", Pakistan article was only post 1947, India article corresponded to History of the Republic of India), and (2)South Asia is less specific, although the term is a popular replacement for "Indian subcontinent" in Pakistan, and is common in USA as well, the article suggests it could be confused with a lot more regions - almost certainly Afghanistan, and probably Iran and Tibet as well, while Indian subcontinent is less ambiguous, and refers almost exactly to the region we want to be talking about. deeptrivia (talk) 05:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Taking cue from Nichalp...
Hello Sir. It would be great if we can have you as a copyeditor for Indian articles that are in FAC or are being readied for FAC. Nichalp has told you, Indian articles usually see minor activity when on FAC due to the heavy-duty internal peer review which sorts out most issues. However, lately there have been some India-related FACs that did not go through this usual process of internal reviews. For example, right now Partition of India is in FAC and it was not being worked upon by any user or workgroup. It is almost bound to fail the FAC.

The India-related activities can be found in Notice board for India-related topics, though some parts of the notice board are backlogged. Still, FACs and Peer reviews are usually updated on a regular basis. You can check the notice board and work as you please. Thanks for taking interest in Delhi and copyediting. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Delhi copy edit
Hehe! I saw that "stupid" edit, and understood why you wrote that :) Anyway, I'll try to clarify that medium of instruction bit. And you just go on copyediting, and ask me or any other else (like Nichalp) if you have any question. Many Indian articles need somebody to copyedit them. We are grateful that you have obliged. Thanks a lot. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * In fact, if needed you can leave embedded comments in the text, and mention that in the edit summary. Anyone stumbling over the article can try to clarify the query. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey
Hey Fowler&fowler, please look at my comment on Talk:History_of_India. Your opinion is crucial and much appreciated. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 23:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration
Hello,

I've requested an arbitration regarding the conduct of Freedom skies.

Can I trouble you to write a brief statement at Requests for arbitration recounting your interactions with him and your impressions of his conduct as an editor?

Thanks.

JFD 04:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Shahbag once more
The Shahbag article has gone through major changes. Would you care to take a look at it again? Aditya Kabir 15:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Education in Bangladesh, please, help
I have started working on the article Education in Bangladesh. It was in an extremely bad shape. The last few edits were turning it into a motley hotchpotch of text, link and image for private university/English medium agenda-pushers. Even without that the article had little content. I have began by putting in an enormous amount of fresh text, and even more massive amount of resource links (Banglapedia, government sites and downloadable pdf links). Now the real work should begin. Would you lend a hand in this? I can't do it alone. Do you have anyone else in mind who might help? That person doesn't need to be Bangladeshi. Aditya Kabir 18:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC) - please, answer to my talk page

Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies
Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 03:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Posting again, it's about Shahbag once more
Please, take a look at Shahbag again. It has gone through dramatic changes. A lot of the issues has been solved. But, new issues probably have crept in. Well, over and above everything the prose looks pretty shabby. It really needs a quality copyeditor. And, I know only one - that's you. Thanks. Aditya Kabir 17:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Very much. The artcile is really shaping up nice. Aditya Kabir 17:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The "Priest King" statue
The "Priest King" statue is in Moen-Jo-Daro Museum itself in Larkana(then why karachi is written on artilces).One thing mre (Moen-Jo-Daro or Mohen-Jo-Daro or Moalan-Jo-Daro) it is more near to larkana but i have seen you wrote Sukkur(so i changed it).Khalidkhoso 03:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Help request
Hi. Can you look at the discussion at the bottom of Talk:Devadasi and help out? I don't know about all of these caste things so I'm having trouble resolving the issue. Thanks. The Behnam 04:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Indian mathematics
Read pages 40 and 41 of The Nothing That Is: A Natural History of Zero by Robert Kaplan. CiteCop 15:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Peer review/Shahbag/archive2
I have just put the article to peer review. Would you care to take a look? Aditya Kabir 20:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hindutva Propaganda
The amount of bad faith involved is appalling, isn't it? If I were an admin, I'd kill the AfD stone dead, and move any "debates" to the Talk page. rudra 16:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I responded to your query that you placed on my talk page. My response can be found here. If the message isn't on my talk page, please see the archives for the time period of your original message. Feel free to post any further comments on my talk page, and I'll respond to you as soon as possible. Cheers,  Daniel Bryant  13:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)  Daniel Bryant  13:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for your reply. The AfD is up for archiving so I am not editing there. I have personally never heard of "Indigenous Aryans" ever, as a term. I appreciate your finding of citations. But picking up "Indigenous Aryans" to write an article is akin to picking up "Bush's failures" from "Many of the actions of Bush have turned out to be failure". I bet you will find many more citations for the case I suggest here, still you must agree that an article like Bush's failures will be deleted. Anyway, the talk was about "Hindutva propaganda". There is no such scholarly notation for propaganda pertaining to its origin. Propaganda is what it is, and until it is officially classified, creating an article about it is nothing but original research.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I completely believe that Aryans came from outside and Vedas are not as scientific as people claim. I think they were important statements, philosophical or scientific or about traditions etc., which people at that time deemed important enough to pass through generations. I don't think people were using nuclear bombs anytime before WWII.--Scheibenzahl 22:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

break

 * dab, hornplease, and fowler, how long are you going to cast your pearls before the swinish multitude? Wikipedia is for lulz and trolling. Please remember that all your efforts you aim at NPOV and scholarship falls within the framework enunciated by one Larry Sanger. Although he didn't create anything new in the realm of scholarship or in academia, he is the pioneer of the idea of a large scale collaboration over the Internet to evolve an encyclopedia. His ideas made this project a success. Now it has gone to seeds. The experiment which made great strides is now reeling under the concerted attack of the pov brigade. Wikipedia can't move on because the retards who run it grovel before the pov brigades. You men try to save it from the inevitable fall just holding off for some more time. What purpose does it serve? Sanger has moved on. The Citizendium is there awaiting your brilliant efforts. You could spend there creatively all the efforts you spend here fighting trolls, casting pearls before the swine. All of you spent a hell lot of time on Hindutva Propaganda, nobody could have questioned the underlying scholarship. But troll they could and troll they did. Socks troll. Admins trolls (Rama's Arrow). And the result? A 13 year old monkey came and deleted it based on consensus.  Consensus, mind you! My foot! And Fowler who made astonishing efforts now has to go and ask the monkey to release the material he culled up. Why in the world should you talk with these idiots? What the hell are you doing here men? This is the place for men like bhadani. Transpose the e in beleive and earn a count (while not seeing dozens of fucking bad typos) and brag on the user page in terms of edit counts. Either do as Romans do or get out of here for better places. Doesn't the idea of a place where scholarship is valued and and not treated the same as a monkey's itch interest you? I don't belong there but the idea interests me. The efforts and time you waste here discounting what is spent on articles is (should I use are, fowler?)appalling.Bypd 07:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * well, I don't think Sanger can get his act together. He has great ideas, but he doesn't tick the right way to lead such a project. The requirements for citizendium are a joke. Sure, the brilliant and academic will be among themselves, and that's how they'll stay. And if Citizendium does fly, hey, they can just take my version of an article before the trolls went over it and copy it over there, it's the same licence. The advantage of citizendium, no 13 year olds and no pov pushers, is also its weakness. Do you think it would ever have occurred to me to research the topic of Hindutva revisionism if the trolls hadn't forced me? That's the motor of Wikipedia. So Wikipedia gets teenagers with attitude problems. These same teenages do also the tremendous amount of 'menial' housekeeping tasks required to keep Wikipedia running. None of the distinguished eggheads at citizendium will be prepared to work as a grunt in the trenches. And if they do turn out a number of decent articles -- hey, we can go over there and copy-paste them here, the license being compatible :) dab (𒁳) 20:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point, Dab! I came to Wikipedia with the intention of writing articles on the Natural History (and Historians) of British India.  It was the trolls who forced me to get interested in other topics.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  21:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Shahbag
Shahbag is an FAC now. Care to take a look? Cheers. Aditya Kabir 15:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, dear. Great images, and very appropriate copyedit. The bookmarket at Aziz Supermarket is a indoor modern shopping facility, while the Nilkhet-Babupura one is a street side hawkers' market (BTW, I like the second one that sells second-hand books at great value for money. The books are often rare, though a few pages may remain missing - a source of incomplete book citations, :D). Cheers. Aditya Kabir 15:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Merging American-Born Confused Desi
Hello Fowler&Fowler,

I've nominated American-Born Confused Desi to be merged with South Asian American. I've given my reasons here. I saw your comments on the page, and I thought you might be interested in joining the discussion. -- vi5in [talk] 17:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: This weekend
I will be around, but at limited capacity (explained Featured article candidates/Shahbag). Please, do ask the questions, and I'll try my best to meet the issues raised. Currently, it seems that the biggest issues are a wholesome map and proper biblio formatting, including publishers' names. Thanks for taking so much interest in the article, and it was a tremendous learning experience for me. Aditya Kabir 18:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC) Is it possible to arrange the Civic Life section arround four main features of the civic life in Shahbag - education, recreation, health care and cultural activities (the last one is currently not featured in the section). The first three are already there, but the second one (i.e. recreation) is not stated as such. But, that is the part where the area retains its original purpose as a garden and a complex of pleasure mansions. Please, advice. Aditya Kabir 06:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Question (Post Script)

Shahbag leader text
It is a bit longish, but not inappropriately so. May be you can trim it a bit without compromising on the info. You have already done a great job there. More comments are underway. Aditya Kabir 14:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now, for more comments as promised - (1) I think there's nothing wrong in the lead (as I've stated in the FAC discussion); and (2) I also think we need to give the section header - "Family mansions" (I find a previous version - "Dhaka Nawab Family mansions" - more to the point, or may be "Historic mansions"). Now, a question - do I need to creat a stub for Chayanaut Music School, as I have done for most proper nouns in the article? Aditya Kabir 15:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Update. I have added geo and met data and info on transportation to the article. But, the geo and met data is looking a bit out of place in "Civic life" section. Will it be better if I reorganized it into a fresh section titled - "Geography and adminstration" - and added the administration info to it (like that of the infobox)? Aditya Kabir 19:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Congrats The article reads great now. And, in the process you have managed to teach a very bad writer a thing or two on organizing and phrasing an article, Thanks. I love this community. Aditya Kabir 03:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge for American Born Confused Desi
Hello Fowler&Fowler,

I have added a paragraph to the "Identity" section in South Asian American, which explains the term "ABCD". I was wondering if you could take a look at it. Thanks -- vi5in [talk] 16:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Yeah, the "identity crisis" part was bordering Original Research. I'll see if I can find some articles that talk about second-generation migrants in the United States and any identity crisis issues. Thanks once again for taking a look at it! -- vi5in [talk] 20:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I have a link from The Hindu (article about the movie ABCD) and another from here (site for the movie ABCD). It doesn't explicitly discuss or state the "identity crisis", but they say that the movie is about the identity crisis faced by "ABCD's". I'll keep looking for more. -- vi5in [talk] 20:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge Desi with South Asian American
I was going over Desi, and noticed a lot of overlap with South Asian American. The term itself is used to refer to the same, as similar to ABCD, is not well known outside the community. I suggest a merge. Perhaps we can have a section under identity, that describes the different terms used by South Asian Americans to describe themselves. We can include ABCD, Desi, and perhaps FOB also. What do you think? -- vi5in [talk] 15:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Request
Your job with Shahbag seems to be finished. I have a request. Religion in India is at present Indian collaboration of the week. The article us still in formative phase. The structure of the article is yet to reach a consensus, while the content is gradually being enhanced. We'd like to request you to have a look, and help enhancing the content as well as copyedit. Of course we have a plan to improve the article greatly, with an ultimate goal for FAC. However, that is far in the future. Meanwhile, your help would be greatly beneficial for the article. The article has great potential for controversies! So, one goal is to try to avoid controversies as much as possible, and giving the article a neutral tone. Thanks. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler:
Dear Fowler&fowler:

The links I have added in the India section, for example have improved, not spoiled, the article. For example, I added internal links to all the years I saw that were not linked. Also, for example, please observe the following paragraph (the one after I changed did my linking) to the one given after (the one given after you reverted my changes):


 * Home to the Indus Valley civilization and a region of historic trade routes and vast empires, the Indian subcontinent was identified with its commercial and cultural wealth for much of its long 'history'. Four major world religions, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism originated here, while Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism arrived in the first millennium CE and shaped the region's variegated 'culture'. Gradually annexed by the British East India Company from the early eighteenth century and colonized by Great Britain from the mid-nineteenth century, India became a modern nation-state in '1947' after a struggle for independence marked by widespread use of nonviolent resistance as a means of social protest.

OR, AS IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS EDITED BY ME (OR AFTER YOU REVERTED MY CHANGES):


 * Home to the Indus Valley civilization and a region of historic trade routes and vast empires, the Indian subcontinent was identified with its commercial and cultural wealth for much of its long history. Four major world religions, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism originated here, while Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism arrived in the first millennium CE and shaped the region's variegated culture. Gradually annexed by the British East India Company from the early eighteenth century and colonised by Great Britain from the mid-nineteenth century, India became a modern nation-state in 1947 after a struggle for independence marked by widespread use of nonviolent resistance as a means of social protest.

Please not that I interlinked the 1947 (a year), changed "colonised" to "colonized" (a spelling correction), linked the word "culture" to "Culture of India", linked the word "history" to "History of India." In the paragraph in the article India right after the previous example, I changed the word "multiethnic" to "multi ethnic" (a grammar/spelling mistake which you also reverted.) Also, in another section, where it introduces the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government, I linked each one to their respective sections in the article "Politics of India" (e.g.: "legislative" was made into Politics of India). Throughout the article, I have only done these kind of important changes. Thank you for your understanding. Universe=atom 18:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Shahbag map
It's pretty simple. I download the map onto my desktop, place it on a blank illustrator page, then use the path tool to make paths. It gets even simpler from that point - writing on the map, coloring free form areas and creating buttons etc. are rather less time consuming. And, finally I save it as *.svg. This last part gave me the biggest trouble since my acrobat reader got corrupted. Give it a try, and if you meet a hiccup, I'm here. Aditya Kabir 11:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Request
Hi Fowler. I remember that you did a great job building and copyediting India. Dwaipayanc suggested that I approach you to clean up the prose at Climate of India. Do you think you have time to take a look? I need someone who hasn't worked on the article to copyedit it (or at least give suggestions). Thanks again. Saravask 06:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks--there's no rush. Regards. Saravask 03:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: History of Pakistan for FAC?
Hi Fowler. I dont think that it is a good idea to push for FAC. The article has too many problems with pov, as does the history of India. It might be better to start from scratch with a history of South Asia, or history of the subcontinent. I think User:Deeptrivia might be willing to help with this. Another use that comes to mind is User:Ragib. IP198 19:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

History of Pakistan
Actually, if you give me a few weeks, I might have time to help you with the article. Sections would have to be shortened and a LOT of references used to give it credibility. I've worked on history of articles before and they are usually pretty interesting. I think the barebones of it are okay though, but that information will have to be verified. Hope you have a university research library nearby! Ciao. Tombseye 22:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Pakistan
Can you please look into the revert I made on Pakistan and handle the issues raised by (posted to talk page). Thanks. --Ragib 00:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)