User talk:Fowler&fowler/Archive 4

Taxila
Feeling so heated over a content dispute is unbecoming of your usually calm manner. The issue is being discussed with formidable citations being bought by both sides; emotions must surely be kept out of it. Freedom skies 18:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Kurta
Hi, I've started a discussion on the Kurta talk page regarding the word's etymology. Thanks, AnupamTalk 19:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Socks on India page
You might be interested in reading this recent exchange between  and me. Abecedare 19:14, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

demography
I stopped the moves when I was made aware of the discussion page, at which point I started the discussion. I have by the way replied to you there. Virgule82 03:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Ahmadiyya Persecution
Why are you trying to remove these sections? You are doing the Pakistan Studies phenomenon i.e. to pretend that history of Pakistan was all well and good which is far from correct. In fact since the very beginning Sunnis have been persecuting non-Sunnis included Shias, Ahmadis, Hindus and later on Christians too. Do not distort history or pretend parts of history do not exist. You call yourself a professor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.150.192 (talk • contribs)


 * You can disregard the above rant from the banned user . I've blocked the disruptive user and his IPs. --Ragib 04:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Fowler, please look into the WP:ANB/I report I'm creating on this user and comment. Thanks. --Ragib 20:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.


 * Freedom skies is placed on standard revert parole for one year. He is limited to one revert per page per week, excepting obvious vandalism. Further, he is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page.
 * Freedom skies shall select one account and use only that account. Any other account used may be indefinitely banned. Pending selection of an account Freedom skies may not edit Wikipedia.
 * Violations of paroles and probations imposed on parties of this case shall be enforced by blocks for an appropriate period of time. Blocks and bans are to be logged at Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies.

For the Arbitration Committee --Srikeit 18:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
I can't help draw comparisons between Chandrasekhar and Pervez Musharraf. The article on Pervez says "born Delhi, British India". In a similar manner, article on Chandrasekhar should say "born Lahore, British India". And how in this world is this article under Wikiproject Pakistan? Bob Woolmer was born in India (and not British India), but that doesn't mean his article comes within the scope of Wikiproject India. Chandrasekhar didn't even spend his childhood there! Keep this nationalistic crap out of Wikipedia please. And Fowler, yr userpage says u r a prof. Atleast you should be matured enough. Makes me feel it might be the same case as Essjay. Guys.. grow up!!! --74.140.104.220 20:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok.. let me put this in a plain and simple manner. Because the fact that Pervez Musharraf and Bob Woolmer were born in India doesn't mean that the articles on them comes within the scope of Indian Wikiproject. Same goes for Chandrasekhar. If you still don't understand the logic then I must say.. I pity your students. Lol --74.140.104.220 03:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Whether or not you're right on the template, I feel the need to remind of of the WP:CIVIL policy as well as WP:NPA. It's one little thing, and there is no reason for you to respond in the manner you did.-- Wizardman 03:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * In addition to Wizardman's comment. I also strongly suggest you watch your tone when speaking to other users. That kind of incivility isn't tolerated and I expect it to stop immediately.--Jersey Devil 04:04, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Rohilkhand
Dear Fowler&fowler, I have noticed that you have added many helpful maps of India to Wikipedia. I was wondering if you could please upload a map for the region of Rohilkhand, India. Please let me know. I look forward to hearing from you soon. Thanks, AnupamTalk 21:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all your help. I really appreciate it. I look forward to receiving your image. With regards, AnupamTalk 20:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Prejudices?
Hey, Fowler&fowler.

May I ask why you are so prejudiced against me? BTW, please do not take offense at some of my comments in the India talk page; I meant to be courteous, but my anger took the best of me. Warm regards. Universe=atom 18:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

History of India is a Candidate for WP:ACID
Hi,

Did you know that the article History of India is a candidate for Article Creation and Improvement Drive (shortened to WP:ACID)? If you want it to be the article for the week (and perhaps get it to Featured Article status), perhaps you would want to go the page and vote. Thank you. Universe=atom •Talk•Contributions• 15:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

More dashes
OK, I take your point on dashes, it is widely used. I was once sent, at work, on a course on writing plain English, mainly because of my tendency to write long complex sentences, and some of it has now been beaten out of me. Cheers. Imc 17:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Indian mathematics
Sure Fowler&fowler, whenever I get a chance to get back substantially to wikipedia, I'll help improve that article. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 03:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Fowler or fowler?
I'm curious: are you related to mathematical historian David Fowler of Warwick? It seems more likely just a coincidence, since he seems to have died in 2004, but...

Feel free not to answer if you don't wish to reveal your identity.

—David Eppstein 21:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi David, No, I'm afraid I'm not related to David Fowler. But I did happen upon his paper on the square root approximations in Babylonian mathematics earlier today and am looking forward to reading it soon.  Seems very well written.  That reminds me that somewhere in the RfC in March you had mentioned a relation between the square root approximations, continued fractions and Pell numbers.  I was wondering if you could add a few lines (or a footnote) in the Indian math article explaining this.  (I'm assuming it is not any old continued fraction approx for sqrt(2), since, at least the one I came up with (based on y-1, where y=2+1/y) didn't seem to give me the Indian approximation.)   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  00:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Oversight
Since you asked what "oversight" is, it's one step up from "deletion". Here - Oversight goes into detail. DS 22:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I know you did this as a mistake, but in the future please refrain from referring to people who do oversight as "trolls", most of them are arbitrators - as what happened in this case, User:Blnguyen is an Arbitrator and is held in high esteem in the community. He is most definitely not a troll. I know this is a tense situation, but please do be more careful whom you accuse of trolling.--Konstable 09:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

thanks
Hi - I appreciate your kind message. We had gotten off to a bad start with all that back-and-forth bitching over the India-Pakistan dispute - I apologize for my behavior on my part. Although I can't honestly agree with some of your actions, there was never any doubt about your exceptional intelligence and good faith. If you ever need anything, lemme know. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 02:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Blanking Kashmir?
I'm pretty sure there's a reason you blanked Kashmir, cuz you don't seem like a vandal. Anyways, I put it back up as a knee-jerk reaction whenever I see "blanked the page". Sorry if you had good intentions tho! Banpei 08:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * erm... frankly...that's beyond my scope...usually I just deal with vandalism. But anyways, I don't see why a copy & paste wouldn't work?  Although I don't fully get the "move" process, and ashamedly I only *slightly* get what the problem is...  Is there a way to get back to before the move?  =(    Banpei 09:00, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Pages moves
No problem, I regularly create more of mess when moving around pages, unfortunatly it is not as easy to clean up without the admin-bit. I noticed you did/are doing a great job at Indian mathematics. Would you like to comment on the renaming issue at Talk:Islamic mathematics as it might affect the title Indian mathematics, as well? Cheers, —Ruud 14:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Once more
U=a and Johnsmithcba are the same people. The others are unrelated. i.e. u=a, KH and Nikkul are different people. Also, I don't think a block or anything is needed for multiple INCOTW voting. But could you leave u=a a message informing him about WP:SOCK. You can also notify Dwaipayanc about possible double voting at the INCOTW. - Aksi_great (talk) 18:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Indian Mathematics
Sure, you are welcome to disable the edits. Anyway, using citation templates enables the re-use of your references as it embeds the citation data as a COinS in the html code and this is quite helpful for Zotero users like me ;) - Ioverka 01:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Trolls
No, everything's fine, there is no problem. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

What have I done??
Why do you suspect me to be a sock of Nikkul? Can you give me concrete reasons as to what I have done to face your wrath. I read UA's page, your page and then Aksi's page and felt cheated....coz what's my fault that I gave a 'yes' to some of UA's(whom you suspect of being another of Nikkul's puppet)Grammar corrections. Yes even I thought some of them were not that important but felt I should answer his comments on it as nobody had responded to him for a couple of days and even he stated that'if nobody responds to my suggestion I'll go ahead with my edits'.(please go thru the archived version again) But sorry didn't know supporting new-comers like me can lead to being labelled "A PUPPET" or "A SOCK". Atleast I should thank you for calling me 'the organiser'(as you did on Aksi's page). Knowledge Hegemony  11:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to Indian Mathematics
More than 5000 years of mystic curiosity coupled with natural human love of patterns ‎can produce a few ideas which were refined by Muslims and Europeans in just a few hundred ‎years. Present refined ideas are attributed to the Indian mystics as if they produced every ‎single detail of them as we know these concepts today. It is too much of provision of ‎undeserved credit for Indian. There is no detail of whatsoever about the religious and mythological ‎triggers which forced Indians to produce mathematical ideas without any scientific ‎intentions. Hence, the article seems to equate Indians with the brilliance of modern day ‎scientists who devote their lives to science without hopes of any religious or worldly gains which is in no way justified. The article does not draw a true and neutral ‎picture of Indian Mathematics. I wrote the section in a quest to balance the article. I hoped ‎if this section is let stay, it will grow into a significantly solid part of the articles with the ‎help of other participants. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Makafaat (talk • contribs). at 04:34, 4 June 2007 ‎

Re:Taj FPC and Wonders of the World
Thanks for pointing it out. Universe=atom •Talk•Contributions• 11:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Greater India
Hi. Just dropping a line to ensure that you don't ignore the discussion on the talk page of this article. If you choose to "reply tomorrow" please note down today's date :) Thanks, deeptrivia (talk) 03:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Snow Leopard images
I have just nominated a fair batch of images of snow leopards (most of which you uploaded) for deletion, and removed them from the article. The animal is not extinct, and, especially as we have a (very good) free image, these images are not fair use under our rules, as they are replaceable. They will be deleted in a few days, unless you (or someone else) contests the deletion. J Milburn 22:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Malhi
Mr Fowler&Fowler,

I have noticed that you have placed the article that I have authored under the hoax category. This is based on the fact that I have not provided any references.

Mr fowler our family has books about Mr Malhi, by Pakistani journalists, they are in Urdu. If you like I can send you a copy. However I cannot make references to it's ISBN because the material is with the family in Lahore and I am overseas in Australia.

Nawaiwaqt prints an article on Mr Malhi on his Barsi every 12th July, which states just about what my article states. So if you pick any article on the 12th of July from any year after 1991, you will be able to confirm the validity of this article.

However, the authenticity of this article cannot be disputed because I am his grandson and anyone who knows the truth about him would be me.

As to checking the validity of what I have written, it can checked by anyone in the Muslim league archives.

Also our history books mention him and Sialkot convention.

We have in our collection all the medals that he was awarded at these conventions and I have photographs of Malhi sahib sitting next to the quaid at the sialkot convention.

I have looked at your other articles and I can see that you have particular interest in Pakistan/subcontinent history.

I am assuming that you are more likely than not from Pakistan. If you want I can organise for the material to be sent to you.

However Mr Malhi, nor his Biography is a hoax.

Regards,

Haroon

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Language movement WP:FAC
Hi Fowler, I recall the great job you did in helping Shahbag become an FA. Right now, we are working on Language movement, which is on FAC. Can you please take a look and do some copyedit? Thanks. --Ragib 03:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Request for copyediting
Hi - I request your assistance in copyediting Language movement, which is on FAC currently. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 17:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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Bourne image
Wow, they were quick! I thought I'd paste you the latest reply here and then thought better of it. If you'd like to email me (link on my userpage sidebar) I'll forward it to you instead. mikaultalk 14:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

hkelkar
In regards to this comment I might ask the same thing about you and nadirali. Baka man  20:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Eemergency
The article Language movement is an FAC for sometime now. But, the copy is still in shambles. It disparately needs an experienced copyrighter. If you can't dabble into it right away, can yo get some one else to lend a hand? Aditya Kabir 04:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * We are working on other concern raised in the FAC of Language movement. However, copyedit and excellent prose remains a big problem. Ragib, Rama's Arrow, Aditya have already requested you for help. Can you please help improve the prose? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 08:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Gone to review
I have put myself for an editor review at Editor review/Aditya Kabir. Check. Aditya Kabir 05:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Futile debating
Sarvgnya is above facts. Bring a trillion facts and no use.-- Knowledge Hegemony  09:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Never mind me
Hello Fowler. My issue isn't with regard to mentioning the Eighth Schedule (which I don't think is appropriate), it's about getting across the fact - as concisely as possible - that Hindi and English's status at Central level doesn't confer any status upon them at State level (and that there are, in fact, states where Hindi and / or English don't have any official status). I take your point that secondary sources don't bear this distinction out, hence my comment about poking academic chums to actually write this up for some journal or the other. It's a rather fine distinction anyhow, so I'm content to let it be for now, and go with your "Hindi, English, other" without the footnote after other, or whatever else is acceptable to the south Indian editors (since it seems to be mainly them who have an issue with this). -- Lexmercatoria 20:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

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