User talk:Fox/April 2008

Torchwood
why did you request deletion? I'm puzzled, I dont want to just delete it if you've maybe made a mistake of some sort. . I'll look here for the reply. DGG (talk) 01:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Because I realise that the delete arguments of the AfD were very valid. You can keep the article if you like, though.  weburiedoursecrets  inthegarden  07:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Your signature...
...is broken. It's just a load of code. Or have you 'got me'? J Milburn (talk) 12:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I just got two messages within a minute for trying to 'fix' jokes. I evidently have no sense of humour... J Milburn (talk) 12:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Like the signature! Olaf Davis | Talk 13:10, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

BCAD

 * Hi! We're looking to finish the BCAD drive within the next few days. People do sign up and find themselves, for a variety of excellent reasons, unable to complete their range as quickly as they intended. I see you've done about a quarter of your range. May I please allocate your range to another editor as it is important we wrap this drive up before the main one starts mid-April-ish. If I don't hear within 24 hours, I'll assume that you have no objections. All the best, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 07:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for letting me know :) -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 21:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

My signature
See the /* NEW CUSTOM SIGNATURE METHOD */ section of user:brian0918/monobook.js. It adds a new signature button to the end of the buttons above the edit field. Just add that to user:wBOSITG/monobook.js. &mdash; BRIAN 0918 • 2008-04-01 17:44Z
 * I think you also need to force refresh the monobook.js page after making that change. For Firefox, that just means holding down CTRL and pressing F5 while you're viewing your monobook.js page. &mdash; BRIAN 0918 • 2008-04-01 17:57Z
 * It should put a new signature button at the end of your row of buttons (above the edit window). Make sure you're clicking on that button rather than the normal signature button. &mdash; BRIAN 0918 • 2008-04-01 18:01Z
 * I fixed it for you. You had to surround it in   and comment out the pre lines. Now just force refresh that page. Also, the "Z" just denotes UTC. &mdash; BRIAN 0918  • 2008-04-01 19:35Z

Your signature
Just saying that first i finally understand where your username came from - it is a variation on lyrics from a band called Bloc Party

Secondly, your signature seems to be messed up as evidenced on the main page talk page, or was that a joke? Simply south (talk) 13:10, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * :( Simply south (talk) 13:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Naaa, i was meaning the above in a jokey way. ;) Simply south (talk) 13:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Please revert whatever joke you're trying to pull with your signature. It's just leaving a mess all over the place whenever you issue warnings or make WP:AIV reports. Thanks. --   Netsnipe  ►  14:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Btw, on your new one, you have put "graden" instead of "garden" Simply south (talk) 16:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * But you could have buried them in Graden (a municipality in Austria). I wonder what they were exactly and why there... Simply south (talk) 16:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

PROD of Michael Paton
Sorry, but that's incorrect on both counts. The Scottish Second Division is the third division of Scottish football (behind the Premier League and First Division), and is definitely not fully professional (Queen's Park are well known for being amateur) - see this recent discussion on a player from the same division which noted that only 3 of the 10 clubs are professional. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  08:49, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, he needs to actually play for them (or a team in the SPL/First division) to meet the WP:BIO criteria. The AfD I linked to above is for a Hibs reserve player who had only played in Division 2. If you don't mind, could you add db-author to the articles so they can be speedy deleted, rather than waiting five days for the prod to expire (during which time an IP invariably removes it and means we have the hassle of a full AfD...). Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  08:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. As you probably noticed on my talk page, some people tend to get a bit defensive in these situations, so it's nice to come across someone rational :) пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  09:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And thanks again! пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  10:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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Aberdeen GA
It's absolutely deserved. I came across the first GA, and made some minor amendments then, but only just started reviewing GAs myself. The improvements made since that first listing are amazing and it's fully deserved. I seriously think it's not far off a push for FAC. Peanut4 (talk) 14:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a quick note, regarding the changing of the references for the Jack Webster book. You really ought to quote page numbers per cite book. Peanut4 (talk) 20:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't worry about bloating the reference block. Adding page numbers just helps anyone to find the information easier I suppose. Peanut4 (talk) 20:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol. No worries. You've also just pointed me in the direction I've also been changing elsewhere (and hesistantly I may add) but now realise I was right. Woohoo!! Peanut4 (talk) 20:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Complaint by PRasmussen (talk)
PRasmussen (talk) 11:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC) Thanks for your swift reply. However, I still have the issue of the accusation being on my profile page so even if the discussion was closed yesterday the world doesn't know this and will think that I am a sockpuppet.PRasmussen (talk) 11:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Émile Lemoine
Could you give the article a copyedit? It's up for FAC right now, and I probably should get someone who's not me (presumably because I'm too familiar with the article the way it is) to do a copyedit. Thanks! Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 02:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks to you and Epr for the copyedit. Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 22:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Life on Mars - April 2008 Newsletter
Newsletter delievered by  weburiedoursecrets inthegarden  at 21:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC). Direct any questions or comments to him.

GA Aryacakravarti dynasty
Thanks, yes I will try to some reviews Taprobanus (talk) 22:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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Newsletter
Sure, but remember: it's fortnightly, so I need it by the 11th (as I need to review it, submit it, copyedit, etc.) Edit the template found here. Enjoy. -- Shark face  217  20:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Reason for color scheme -->  Shark face  217  22:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Who wouldn't? [[image:SFriendly.gif|19px]] Yeah, feel free to do whatever. Just tell me when you're done. -- Shark face  217  22:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you make the header say "Award Center Newsletter"? -- Shark face  217  23:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a ton. -- Shark face  217  02:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I can't believe I've never given you this before

 * Thanks for the star. But you do beat me a lot with the reverts. I think it's because I have 5 Mb/s downstream but only like 384 Kb/s upstream, so I can see the vandalisms almost as they happen, but it takes a second for it to actually revert them. J.d ela noy gabs adds  18:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know what you mean. Once, I saw a vandal that was actually vandalizing faster than I could revert with huggle, so I just opened his contribs in Firefox and clicked on all the rollback links, and after I clicked a few times, it said that it had "throttled" me as an anti-spam measure for making too many edits in a ridiculously short time. I wonder if that is why our automated tools slow down randomly. J.d ela noy gabs adds  18:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be nice. This fall I'm going to college to study computer programming, so maybe I would be able write a little patch that would make it say that. Or maybe I could make it try to space out the edits, if you know what I mean, so that when you are browsing through suspected vandalisms, it is actually reverting previous ones slow enough so that you don't get throttled. Either way, hopefully we will be admins by then. I don't think admins can be throttled. J.d ela noy gabs adds  18:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Huggle, yeh?
Thanks, your pretty good yourself ;).  Sunder land <font color="White">06   18:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

RE: Thanks
Thank you for the thanks lol, but its fine mate really as soon as I saw it come up on my Watchlist I thought that was dodgy. :) Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs) ☺ 18:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Princess Janay
Hey there WBOSITG, I've commented on this MfD that you started, and I've moved the nominated page (which I believe was an honest n00b mistake) to a user subpage. Perhaps, (and forgive me if you tried this first), you should have visited Princess Janay's talkpage first? It seems she didn't know she had made an error. An MfD could have been avoided with a simple non admin page move, followed by a a speedy deletion tag for the redirect. For next time I suppose. Thanks, garden! Happy editing, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. I've seen you around, and know you do great work.  I'm positive there was no malice in your good faith nomination.  Just giving you an FYI.  Hopefully the MfD will be closed soon.  Cheers!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect is long gone. Just deleted it.  Thanks for your efforts, WBO!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And, by the way, this was very classy. Nice move!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Arab
Why didn't you warn him when he cursed at and told me to shut up? Why the bias? Bayoumi (talk) 19:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes he did and also said this  to me. I can't believe the bias here!!! Bayoumi (talk) 19:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't get this!! Why do people who don't know anything about Egypt or Egyptians should have a say about how they consider themselves. The whole "Arab Republic" thing is explained on the article of Egypt; did you read before you said that? anyway i wasn't arguing about the government of Egypt, a lot of Egyptians are very offended when people call them Arab just as they hate the fact the nasser called Egypt "Arab". This is complicated unless you understand the whole situation. Bayoumi (talk) 21:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

It's not an argument, all I did was remove a picture of an Egyptian nobel prize winner from the arabs page because he didn't consider himself Arab. Then I started get harassed for it. Bayoumi (talk) 21:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Bayoumi
I already forgot about him. If you havent noticed, i removed Mahfouz. You should try to understand me. I worked hours and suddenly he "nominates the image for speddy deletion" without even talking about it on the talk page! Twice i reverted him saying wait!!! Give me a minute to change and go to the talk page. And he ignored. That realy annoyed. Look at the Arab talk page. We, the participants, had a civil argument. Nothing went off without a compromise. I created an image when i'm against 3 figures to appear their. Why? A concensus decided. He didnt search for a concensus but for manipulation. Look at the image page. Creating the image, filling the page with detales about every license of every image, it's hard work. He should learn to behave. Some administrator is simply going to block him. If i would complaine on the notice board, he would be blocked. But i havent. Someone will. Shpakovich (talk) 20:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, and i already forgot about him. I dont know what's his problem, i did what he wanted in the image.
 * He havent nomonated the image for deletion, but for speedy deletion. But you're right, left behind! Shpakovich (talk) 20:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Aberdeen F.C. seasons
Can you tell me why you overwrote my wikitable with one which contained erroneous data, I got all of my information from the club's own website at the time, before the website changed to it's current format. The data which is incorrect is in the Scottish Cup & League Cup columns. The best way to get the wikitable back to having correct data contained in it may require it to be reverted back to the last edit before you added your version. The final version of the old one is dated the [| 8th of March 2008]. If you need any information from me please get in touch using my Usertalk page, thanks, Dreamweaverjack (talk) 13:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I grateful for the fact that you expanded the wikitable in this article to show the number of Wins, Draws & Defeats that the club had in each season, but surely you could have referred fully to the previous wikitable before you replaced it with your own one, this would have stopped the problem of having to go back and compare the two versions to sort out any discrepencies between them. Dreamweaverjack (talk) 13:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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Complaint by 64.9.50.200 (talk)
64.9.50.200 (talk) 19:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

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Spelling
In you "complaint" thing "apologize" is spelled wrong. :0 - Thought I should let you know - <font face="Matura MT Script Capitals" size="3px" color="#4D0100">Milk's  <font face="Matura MT Script Capitals" size="3px" color="#4D0100">favorite  <font face="Matura MT Script Capitals" size="3px" color="#4D0100">Cookie  21:55, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Great! I can't spell and I try to teach other people how to spell. - <font face="Matura MT Script Capitals" size="3px" color="#4D0100">Milk's  <font face="Matura MT Script Capitals" size="3px" color="#4D0100">favorite  <font face="Matura MT Script Capitals" size="3px" color="#4D0100">Cookie  22:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow! I'm surprised! Considering you made several edits to Aberdeen F.C., Aberdeen Grammar School, Cullen F.C., Portal:English football - I'm really surprised your not! - <font face="Matura MT Script Capitals" size="3px" color="#4D0100">Milk's  <font face="Matura MT Script Capitals" size="3px" color="#4D0100">favorite  <font face="Matura MT Script Capitals" size="3px" color="#4D0100">Cookie  22:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Newsletter thingy
Thanks a ton. I might select MFC's revision that he stole from you, as the only difference is the centering of the issue/date line. As for my RFA... well, it wasn't completely unexpected. -- Shark face  217  23:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

2005 UEFA Champions League Final
Could you please re-GA review it and put your remarks on my talk page? // Fi  nns  17:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I would just want you to tell me if I could go for it or not // Fi  nns  20:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks alot // Fi  nns  20:16, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I very muchly appreciate that // Fi  nns  21:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

RFA thanks
Thanks for your support in my RFA, that didn't quite make it and ended at 120/47/13. There was a ton of great advice there, that I'm going to go on. Maybe someday. If not, there are articles to write! Thanks for your support. Lawrence §  t / e  18:04, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

William Gallas extra s
This actually depends upon your point of view on English Grammar, we are continually taught that you can put Gallas' or Gallas's // Fi  nns  21:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

FL
Would you mind having another look at this FLC? I addressed your issue. Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 02:17, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

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RFA Thanks
Thank you for your comments on my RFA. Even though it failed with 28 supports, 42 opposes, and 15 neutrals, I am grateful for the suggestions and advice I have received and I do hope to improve as a Wikipedian. If you ever need my help in any endeavor, feel free to drop me a line. -- Shark face  217  19:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
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Re:Vis á vis Talk:Main Page
My apologies back to you. I didn't even think about your name being shown in the edit summary with me calling it nonsense. I didn't think you'd done it intentionally. --Onorem♠Dil 17:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Comprehensive long lists‎ discussion
Hello, I noticed that you took part in the recent FLRC for List of Arsenal F.C. players and thought you might be interested in participating in a new discussion. The FLRC was closed as no consensus and it is clear the the issue of incompleteness in longer FLs is not over, so a discussion page has been started here. Please feel free to comment. -- Scorpion0422 21:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Aberdeen
Hi there again. I've just taken a look at Aberdeen F.C. It looks to be making good progress. I guess you're working towards FAC. If not, I'd certainly suggest doing so. Peanut4 (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Best of luck then. It looks good so far, but if you need any assistance, don't hesitate to get in touch. I'll keep a look out for it at FAC though. Peanut4 (talk) 19:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Quick!
[shrugs] Well, you know where my talk is...  21 <font color="#990000">6 55  ωhατ δo γoυ ωαητ? 17:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Continued from IRC: Probably not tommorow. I'll be busy.  Sorry, Malinaccier (talk) 22:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Wisdom89 3
Hey there, was wondering if you had spoken with either Wisdom or Pedro before you added your co-nomination to Wisdom's RfA? The reason I am asking is because it was decided prior to the RfA that Pedro, myself, and Rudget would be the nominators but that we thought that should be all. Often it is looked down upon to have more than three nominations and think it would be a good idea to ask one of those two users before you add it. Remember you can always add your support to his RfA! Cheers, Tiptoety  talk 14:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey no worries. I actually would not remove it until you talk with Wisdom, he may be perfectly fine with it. I was more or less asking you to ask him. Cheers, Tiptoety  talk 15:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

regarding Mercury (element)
Hello. This is my only edit on that page. Can you clarify why that is censorship? On the other hand, if I have misunderstood you regarding the point you were trying to raise, pls clarify. Thanks. Prashanthns (talk) 14:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah! Was confused myself! Happy vandal fighting. Prashanthns (talk) 14:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

*Pings* Malinaccier (talk) 00:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably our IRC coaching chats will have to remain on the weekends due to our locations. Sorry, Malinaccier (talk) 23:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

News! Tag & Assess 2008 is coming ...
Milhist's new drive – Tag & Assess 2008 – goes live on April 25 and you are cordially invited to participate. This time, the task is housekeeping. As ever, there are awards galore, plus there's a bit of friendly competition built-in, with a race for bronze, silver and gold wikis! You can sign up, in advance, here. I look forward to seeing you on the drive page! All the best, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 13:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)




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 * This one runs until 4 July so I hope you can squeeze some in. The more the merrier as they say. -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 07:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Ruari Burgham
I'm wondering how that page isn't vandalism when it's well documented who wrote the scripts to those two films and neither one of them was written by someone named Ruari Burgham? Rnb (talk) 21:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to fit the definition of vandalism pretty clearly: Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. It's the addition of material to deliberately compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. If that's not vandalism, I'm not sure anything would rate as vandalism.  Rnb (talk) 21:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No problems. Thanks for afd'ing it, anyway.  I screenwrite a little, so I was immediately familiar with the actual writers of those films and knew what was going on.  Thanks again.  Rnb (talk) 22:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Dreamafter/WikiCup/2008
Just wondering if you could add me some 5 points per DYK Prohibition of death (since you updated the page)... Happy editing, ♠ <font face="Old English Text MT"> TomasBat  23:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

RE:FF/Bloc Party
Teh reps for being Scottish. Good luck with Bloc Party. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 23:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks
Thanks for supporting my recent request for adminship which was successful with 89 supports, 0 opposes, and 2 neutrals. Unfortunately all I can offer is this lame text thanks rather than some fancy-smancy thank-you spam template thingy. I was very pleased to receive such strong support and to hear so many nice comments from editors whom I respect. I’ll do my best with the tools, and if you ever see me going astray don’t hesitate to drop a note on my talk page. Thanks again for your support!--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 03:38, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I see from your contribs that you're active now...Would you like to chat on IRC? Malinaccier (talk) 19:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Aberdeen F.C. FAC
It took me a while to get back to you, but better late than never. After another look, I decided to support the nomination. There is one sentence I didn't care for, and noted it in my comment there. Despite that, I think the article is ready to be featured. Giants2008 (talk) 20:43, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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Featured list candidates/List of San Diego Chargers head coaches
✅ with everything. Except - what brackets and acronym's? <font style="color:#fef;background:navy;"> Milk’s Favorite Cookie  <font face="Candara" size="3px" color="#2500FF">(Talk)  22:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the RfA support
Can afford to personally thank as there werent many supports anyway. :) No issues though. I have withdrawn my self-nom at this moment. I appreciate your support and it only will help me continue my work here. Cheers. Prashanthns (talk) 17:32, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Huggle Reverts
WBOSITG: is there a problem here? I reverted one of this IPs good faith edits by accident, and noticed you did too – a huggle issue, or a random coincidence? <span style="font-size:90%;font-family:Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;">&mdash; Alex . Muller 21:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert
Thanks for helping take care of the vandalism on the Karaoke Revolution songlist page from earlier this month! 70.236.10.83 (talk) 15:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Adoption
I was wondering if you'd be willing to adopt me? Elluminate (talk) 02:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)