User talk:Foxpeetoo

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Recreational Aviation Australia
Thank you for your contribution to this article, but I have had to remove most of the content you added as it made highly controversial claims and did not cite a reliable reference to support those claims. This sort of information can be included, but needs to cite references other than WP:SPS websites as a source. If you can locate an WP:RS sources that support this then by all means please do put it back in. If you have any questions please do reply here, or on Talk:Recreational Aviation Australia as I will watch both pages. - Ahunt (talk) 11:29, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Dear AHunt, thank you for your welcome and for looking after aviation on Wikipedia.

You are right of course. The information is not, as Wikipedia requires, verifiable. I don't know whether or not to be surprised that you say the "claim" is "extraordinary". It is nevertheless true (which I now understand is insufficient). The full story (just for your interest) is that the Asst Ops Manager has been informing certain flight training facilities "If the website shows aircraft operating at or below 500’AGL when the CFI does not hold a Low Level endorsement, [and] cannot issue a Low Level endorsement" and appears to endorse this then the operator would be subject to "Section 1.06 of the Operations Manual. Statement of Duties and Responsibilities of a CFI. Paragraph 2. Conduct the operation and administration of the FTF for which they are responsible in such a manner as to not bring the RA-Aus into disrepute." I can't think of another industry where such intervention would be tolerated. She adds "Delving a little deeper, Section 9 of the Constitution, Disciplining of Members (i) aa. Failure to comply with a direction from the Board, or the Operations/Technical managers will be deemed to have brought the organisation into disrepute..." (You might think this is extraordinary. I couldn't possibly comment.) This was the basis of my saying more or less that there is a controversy brewing but I can't release this correspondence and in any case it would not be verifiable in the way Wikipedia requires. I suppose when or if the matter comes to court driven by one or more of the affected parties there will be verifiable sources which can then be published. btw The officeholders are as stated on the official RA-Aus website and were up to date at least as of September 2011. Are the citations still required, as that is the most official place I can think of, at least online? In the meantime I continue to attempt to source solid verifiable evidence for the "claims". Foxpeetoo (talk) 15:06, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The story you mention is the sort of controversy that can be included in Wikipedia articles, but as you note WP requires verifiability, otherwise anyone can say anything and WP becomes nothing more than a blog. Here is a thought: if you pass your information onto the press (general or aviation press) and they publish a story (on-line or on paper) then that can be cited as a source and the story added based on that. As far as the positions go, let me see if I can source those from the website. - Ahunt (talk) 15:50, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks like their website is down, so I'll have to try looking for that source a bit later on today. - Ahunt (talk) 15:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The home page appears to have been up and down today. However, the contact page was still live last time I looked: http://www.raa.asn.au/contact.html Foxpeetoo (talk) 09:13, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Super, I got it and added it! - Ahunt (talk) 12:28, 14 January 2012 (UTC)