User talk:Foxy.foxburg

The Battle of Stockton
Please do not delete sourced material without explanation and calling it a minor edit when it is not minor.. You have done this before. Please stop. Spinney Hill (talk) 00:20, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


 * But the ‘source’ you refer to is not based on any documentation, whereas I have the police report, Jordan’s report and the CP report as well as interviews with participants. There are no accounts that say the anti fascists were hiding in side streets, this is an invention of the battle of Stockton group who glorify violence for some reason 82.12.189.154 (talk) 03:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Immediately after this there is a statement that reports vary widely. The implication is that we do not know which is true. I expect the answer is the truth lies somewhere in between. If you have a published source which shows that any of the accounts are not true then cite it. If for some reason it is not appropriate to do so please refer to it in your edit summary. You will see I have altered the article slightly and I hope we can agree on this. The object of wikipedia is I think to reach the best account of something by co-operation. Spinney Hill (talk) 09:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The northern echo as a paper didn’t exist, Chris Lloyd has used one or two words from the North Eastern Daily Gazette article and then added parts, as I said earlier there no reports of Stocktonians hiding in the side streets to ambush the BUF, the police report say 3,000 occupied the market cross, there are no narrow side streets at this part of the high street as I demonstrate on my guided talk which I have carried out over the past five years, I have researched the anti-BUF campaign on Teesside for eight years now and this outdated and misleading newspaper report does not correlate with the evidence we have [Special:Contributions/148.253.167.121|148.253.167.121]] (talk) 11:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately wikipedians' personal research into documents can't be used, nor can local topographical knowledge. I have had problems with the latter myself.Spinney Hill (talk) 11:58, 6 February 2024 (UTC) Are you sure about the Northern Echo? The wikipedia page on that paper says it goes back to 1870Spinney Hill (talk) 12:05, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I sympathize, it’s just i don’t think this 2018 article adds much and only leads to dangerous misconceptions. I have audio and written accounts from people who were there, but as they were recorded many years later I only use parts that are supported by logic or other records. I get upset that the anti-fascists are portrayed as violent thugs ambushing a peaceful BUF meeting. 148.253.167.121 (talk) 12:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)