User talk:Fractain

Dear Friend, Following your vital contributions into the article about the Astrological Ages, i have added a few details (which were in store for a long time) into that same article. It will be of Joy to me if these few editions of mine may somehow be seen as a little aid unto your efforts to clarify the full scope of the Ages... Thank you and see you! --AquaD 22:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Astrological Ages
Thank you AquaD; i appreciate your help in restructuring my efforts. I admit i was struggling with how to structure my information within the page, but you have sorted it out for me very nicely and i've learned a lot by it. What a wonderful collaborative device Wikipedia is!!! I shall be returning to the page shortly to add more; it's a thread of enormous interest to me. I too look forward to more collaboration with you and others who might be inspired to contribute. Fractain 00:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for you kind words. Related to your last edition paralleling 2007CE to 153BCE, allow to present what i see as perhaps being an even more accurate calculation:
 * If we starting seeing time as a events occurring in a Spiral path, i sense we shall find similaries, like recapitulations (maybe sometimes events presenting a collective 'Karma' to be rippen?), in a different expression (subtler each time) across at least the major historical periods.
 * Now, if we take as starting point the year 498AD [CE, as you wish] as Aries 0º (from Varahamihira and Heindel astrological works) and then if we make the average of ca. 72 years per degree (about 2156 per G.Month/Age we will find things as expressed in the article: ca 222-218BC(220'sBC) as entrance into Pisces orb of influence (during the 1st decanate of Aries, 10th degree of Aries) coinciding with the pre-Second Punic War times (218-202 BC; see also Punic Wars) and ca. 1934-38(1930's) as entrace into Aquarius orb of influence (1st decanate of Pisces, 10th degree of Pisces) coinciding with the pre-Second World War times (1939/40-1945; see also World War I, i haven't even applied calculation to try parallel this first one in both Ages). The average 222BC or 1934 is found subtracting 720 years (1st decanate: 10 degrees*72y) of the following age (Pisces or Aquarius respectivly); and the 218BC and 1938 is found adding 1440 years (2 decanates: 20 degrees*72y) to the starting year of each previous age (Aries and Pisces respectivly). This method creates a window period of 4 years in order to account with the 72 years excess. It is the most accurate method that i have deduced [i am not an Astrologer, yet], but one must take into account 2156 years for each Age/G.Month because each degree doesn't exactly reach 72 years (not 2160 as if integral 72y per degree), as taught in Heindel's [1910's] astrology writings (further he states that a Great Year has ca. 25868 years; which is a very close astrological value to the values around 258000 years that astronomers usually apply to the whole precession cycle). As the Ages influences are said not to be a mathematical division of time but a slowly process, the 4 years period becomes an accurate account since it relates to a period, a degree, which by itself lasts for about 72 years!
 * Bringing these calculations into our present day, we shall find that from ca. 2006-10 we are entering the 9th degree of Pisces (further into the orb of influence of Aquarius). Now, the same 9th degree of Aries (within the orb of influence of Pisces) occurs in ca. 150-146BC., according to the above calculations. This is time of the short Third Punic War (siege of Carthage performed by the Romans, the world military power of those times): does it somehow relate to the short Iraq War (although it started in 2003 performed by the Americans et al, the current world military power and is still going on in a more soft form, it can be seen as acting more as a short local siege in the current military paradigma, yet with a worldwide impact as the third ancient war had in those past times; than as a full scale world war as the two previous ones)!?
 * Leaving past history and re-directing what we may learn from it, what about the future (i.e. entrance into Aquarius)? We should not forget that it was from the ashes of the Roman Empire (around 500; entrance into Pisces) that current western world evolved leading to the 'global village' as we know it now; then shouldn't those of us currently living in the same western world expect similar event to occur as we approach the coming age?...
 * What do you think? [my English is far from perfect in order to present a better structured text]. See you. --AquaD 13:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Astrological Ages
Your ideas are certainly very thought-provoking, and interestingly I had been looking at the Punic Wars earlier, but from the point of view of Pluto cycles and Empire; that is, the Pluto cycle of 375 BC to 132 BC, and whether any of the wars of that period co-related to those of our time. (I'm particularly interested in Saturn/Pluto aspects and wars). Indeed, there seemed to be some approximate relationship, but not in the sequence that the Great Month returns suggest. The First Punic War seemed to relate to WW2, both occuring during a Pluto transit of Leo, both with Saturn transiting Taurus/Gemini (square aspect). Again with the Second Punic War and the Iraq war, where Pluto is transiting Sagittarius with Saturn transiting Gemini (opposition aspect). There are just enough differences between those aspects though, to make the events somewhat different. I need to spend much more time on studying those Saturn/Pluto aspects throughout history. (Just as an aside - there is a horrible Saturn/Pluto period coming up, beginning midway through 2009, and into 2010. I can only see the tension in the aspect, no more detail than that. More study needed. Time will tell).

Re the parallels between the Punic Wars and our modern wars across the Great Months - there is a bit too much lack of co-relation between the events, I think, for it to be trustworthy, but it's certainly worth further study further back in time. The grouping of 3 wars, both Punic and Modern, are tantalising but just far enough out in comparison with each other to make me want to gather lots more war events further back in the two Great Months. If there are other clear parallels, then the whole idea would be much more trustworthy. I made up a spreadsheet with the Punic wars and the modern wars, with their starting dates, duration, end dates, intervals between each group, and then included 4 different Great Month lengths popularly used, to see what combination would produce a tight fit, and none of them quite did. The 2nd punic war/ww2 and 3rd punic war/iraq war could be made to fit a 2150 year GM nicely, but the first punic war/ww1 was too far out (2168 years apart). I played with starting dates and end dates, but didn't come up with a really positive result.

I'm wondering if the differences between Grand Months would feature strongly as wars though? That whole Aries Great Month, ruled by Mars, the God of War, was associated with wars, whereas the Piscean Age, ruled by Jupiter and Neptune, was based more on religion (although there were certainly plenty of wars fought over religion).

I'll certainly be looking more deeply and widely into the correspondences between those two Great Months, and I'll be interested to compare further notes with you.Fractain 09:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I really appreciate the analysis you have presented about the astrological aspects and the way they should mark the events on reference. The account i have provided above does paralell the mentioned 3 ancient and modern wars in the same degree of the respective Age: 1st P.W. (11th degree Aries)/1st W.W. (11th Pisces); 2nd P.W. (10th Aries)/2nd W.W. (10th Pisces); 3rd P.W. (9th Aries)/Iraq.W. (9th Pisces) and the intervals between each event in each age being very similar. Now, the way i express it they seem to me to work as cause-effect (they were started under Aries [ruled by Mars], cause, and the reverse side, consequence, occurs in the same degree of the following age, Pisces [although not a sign directly related to war]). If this is the case, there should be some common astrological aspects between each correlated war.


 * However, following the calculation method i have provided, there are other events (not only wars) that seem to correlate in about the same degrees of Aries and Pisces, although i have not yet performed a deeper study, such as between Hellenistic astronomy and the Space age exploration (as both, as unrelated as they seem at a first glance, had as experimental starting efforts and aims the accurate attempt of knowing the Moon, among other celestial phenomena related to the Earth and the Solar system). In this case, it does not seem a cause-effect relation but something more akin to an initial archetype (idealization) and a subsequent later concretization (and we know from history that the period of about two thousands years between them both was full of obscurantism in this aspect).


 * Well, i'll return to it someday latter, since at this time my attention has to be focused into other compromises. Let us hope that the study of the Ages can bring us a wider perspective about who we are and, simultaneously, help us prevent from committing the same past tragedies that have brought so much suffering. Thank you once again for the attention you have devoted to my thoughts and for your excellent above explanations. Regards --AquaD

Astrological Ages
Thank you for your thoughts; you obviously are very interested in this subject as am I. I'm sure it will break through into public awareness in the future, but in the meantime enthusiasts like us can be blazing the way into the Aquarian Age, just as I'm guessing that similar efforts were being made at this point in the previous Age by types like maybe the Essenes, in terms of spirituality theory. I'm in the happy position of having more time becoming available to pursue this study. In amongst the various other threads of Mundane Astrology (of which I feel that Astrological Ages is a subset) I will be plotting further back into the Arian Age to find more examples of your Punic Wars parallel, because it is indeed a tantalising grouping. I will be back to you with my findings, as they occur. I'm very pleased with our conversations, and will relish more contact with you, as the winds of destiny guide our ships within the same horizon again. All the very best, Fractain 21:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Astrological Ages
My apologies AquaD; I hadn't really had time or concentration to do justice to your last messages, because of a recent bereavement in my family. I've had a chance now to review our discussion more fully, and I'd meant to ask you if you wanted to add the details of the Wars parallel that you found between the Ages. It could be an inspiration to others to look for other parallels themselves.Fractain 21:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Dear Friend of mine of the Aquarian age, it is me who must apologize for not having answered sooner. It is most difficult when we find ourselves without the physical presence of a loved one. I do not know any words that could be said here in order to ease the grief of your family; i wish i was able to share with you what i already know within myself but there are no words, except perhaps the words in a sublime poem that i would like to share with you:

There is no death. The stars go down To rise upon another shore, And bright in heaven's jeweled crown They shine forevermore.

There is no death. The forest leaves Convert to life the viewless air; The rocks disorganize to feed The hungry moss they bear.

There is no death. The dust we tread Shall change beneath the summer showers To golden grain or mellow fruit, Or rainbow tinted flowers.

There is no death. The leaves may fall, The flowers may fade and pass away-- They only wait through wintry hours The warm, sweet breath of May.

There is no death, although we grieve When beautiful familiar forms That we have learned to love are torn From our embracing arms.

Although with bowed and breaking heart. With sable garb and silent tread, We bear their senseless dust to rest, And say that they are dead--

They are not dead. They have but passed Beyond the mists that blind us here, Into the new and larger life Of that serener sphere.

They have but dropped their robe of clay To put a shining raiment on; They have not wandered far away, They are not "lost" or "gone."

Though unseen to the mortal eye, They still are here and love us yet; The dear ones they have left behind They never do forget.

Sometimes upon our fevered brow We feel their touch, a breath of balm: Our spirit sees them, and our hearts Grow comforted and calm.

Yes, ever near us, though unseen, Our dear, immortal spirits tread-- For all God's boundless Universe Is Life--there are no dead.

--John Luckey McCreery (1835 - 1906)


 * I am honored with your earlier Offer to share your findings (jewels) with me here. Yet at this time, due to the many professional and personal matters that i must take care of, i am trying to leave all online editions indefinitely and so i will have to decline adding further contributions into the article. Nevertheless, as i have noticed that you seem to have a keen interest in space technology please allow to indicate the following page, from an aerospace engineer, that i have came in touch with recently; a site which clearly conveys also my thought on this research field of the coming age:
 * May the winds of destiny allow our paths to come together one day; till then, best wishes into your Studies and may they be fruitful my Friend of the Aquarian age. :) --AquaD 21:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Bereavement
Thank you for your very kind and thoughtful passages. The sites that you indicated are very illuminating too and I will be studying them very closely. All the best in your future activities. :) Fractain 00:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome
Welcome to WikiProject Astrology! Samuel Grant 02:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you; I hope my input will be useful to the Wiki community. :) Fractain 03:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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