User talk:Francis E Williams/Archive 2

January 2011 - (History of name change to I.P. address)
Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the article Talk:List of 7400 series integrated circuits has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. Please use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did, and feel free to use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do. Do not use the edit summary as a soapbox, as you did when you wrote "it's a pointless endeavour even by the standards of Wikipedia compulsive editors"  Guy Macon  16:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC) Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Talk:List of 7400 series integrated circuits. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. Guy Macon 21:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Demonstrably not true. Most editors are here to hurt the encyclopedia, not to help it.  Look at your last 1000 edits  and see how many of them are vandalism reversions, or, at best, cleaning up of text that wouldn't get a passing grade in an elementary school assignment. --Wtshymanski (talk) 16:43, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia.  Guy Macon  18:58, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh dear Lord, have I made a personal attack? What WAS I thinking? I hereby sincerely and deeply apologize to everyone I've ever met for any injury to their frail self-esteem I may have thoughtlessly caused them. And to think, I could actually be blocked from the singular privelege of taking "poo" out of 20 articles every day. Oh, the drama! --Wtshymanski (talk) 19:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

This is your last warning; the next time you make personal attacks on other people, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Note: I am unsubscribing from your user pages and thus will not see any further abuse posted here. Do NOT continue your personal attacks elsewhere. Guy Macon 20:23, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you please indicate where the personal attacks are? To do a personal attack, I'd have to think I was being attacked by a person. I find it's better to think of Wikipedia editing as fixing line noise; less personality involved. --Wtshymanski (talk) 20:36, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - (How Francis E Williams got involved)
I`d just like to say thank you for the enlightenment you have provided to me with regard to the structure of Wikipedia, and your persistent attempts to improve the standard of contributions to this publication. To stimulate the "thinking process" in individuals, and to clarify much confusion caused by "good faith" but "misinformed" contributors is a difficult "skill" to master. You appear to have an encyclopeadic knowledge in many subjects. It took me a long time to understand how you motivate "lateral thinking" in people with regard to their contributions. I think your method of working is appreciated by others who have knowledge at similar levels to you own. We need more people like you to move this project to a higher level. Its not all about "filling up the page", less is "more" sometimes. Keep up the good work. I don`t believe in giving "barn stars" to adult contributors, but if a real "award" were available here, I would nominate you. Francis E Williams (talk) 11:43, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * After hanging around here for several years, I don't think this project can work the way it at first appears to work. We don't have 100,000 editors contributing to any particular article, we have 1 ...let's call it "enthusiast" ...who starts an article, perhaps 3 or 4 more knowledgeable people contribute significant content, then we have a dozen hyphen-fixers and format-adjusters, then the rabble has at it with random spelling changes, things they saw on TV last night, and overt vandalism. There is so little expertise on any particular subject here, and there's no reason for real experts to spend their time fixing an article here when Randy from Boise is waiting in the wings to inject sword-wielding skeletons.  I am perhaps excessively cynical, but every cynic is really a frustrated idealist; when you strip away the back-patting that dominates when Wikipedians talk about themselves, it really is a very cool notion.
 * To edit is also to cut; maybe educating people by "Turn in 1000 words on the coffee industry in Brazil" has made word counts too important in some minds.  Better 500 words that are clear and content-ful than 1000 words with padding.
 * My favorite Wikipedia articles are those in which I learn something. It's frustrating to read a bunch of padding and realize there's no pony in all that manure. I can usually tell pony from pony byproduct when I'm in an electrical article, but, to take an example, I'm not certain of where to stop when looking at education, or maths articles. If I find myself at one of those, I stick to hyphen-fixing and reverting overt vandalism; no great value to the project, just maintenance.
 * Anyway, happy editing and as always Be Bold. --Wtshymanski (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Point taken, too much "blood letting" in an article leads to the "death" of it, because no serious contributor will re-edit more than once. (Recent articles included). My advice is to do what I do .... keep persisting to improve things, it will make sense to the "admins" in the end. Perhaps the founder of Wikipedia would like to be informed of what is really happening to his "child". A consesus needs to ne reached where the community "steps back" and sees the "big picture", not the "rabbit warren" of pages that make up the "rules". Rules are neccessary when editing, but they are open to "personal interpretation" and bias. Iam not in favor of "one word at a time editing" either, It gets real messy after two edits on the same sentence. "Confidence is high" as you guys say. Francis E Williams (talk) 16:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

onknown users? surely not. (Indentitfied user had changed I.D. to I.P.
Hello again, try this little beauty for your unknown users. Just a tiny tool to keep you up to speed with all those "John Does" on here. Francis E Williams (talk) 16:46, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I note that as one guy goes, another two arrive. Wikipedia is like that, people move on, even serious editors. Francis E Williams (talk) 17:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Are there any serious editors? Like featured articles, they are an inconsequential trace impurity in this MMRPG.Mostly what I see is vandals, spammers, drive-by taggings, bots, axe grinders, obsessives, and various nationalists. If I see an article on my watch list change by 1000 bytes, chances are high that it's vandalism, or at best some tweaking, not content addition. --Wtshymanski (talk) 21:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes; I do believe that some contributors do arrive here intent on making serious contributions, informed people, who become despondant with the bewildering posturing, bureaucracy and petty back-biting that ensues when first attempts to edit prove fruitless. This very public place could be improved if somehow every experiemced contributor could "adopt" and "vet" a new user, assess their capabilities and offer guidance "before" they unleash themselves on the world. Perhaps we could have a "practice first enclopedia" section to allow usere to "trash" before they are let loose on the real thing. All too often first experience here is a "bite" from some one, followed by no good example to follow.


 * All too often lack of communication skills result in conflict. Waving a big stick in good for keeping small animals under control. You should be allowed to "lead" contributors (and users) in the way that works best. If it involves a bit of "straight talking" to wake them up then use it. This world is the way it is because nobody wants to be "stood up and counted", always the easy path. Let "little Johnny" have his way, it won`t do any harm will it? If you ask that question as a parent, then you had no discipline as a child. Watch a lioness with her cubs, they learn P.D.Q. not to go over the line. End of rant. (That modern R.P.G. had me worried for a bit too.)Francis E Williams (talk) 21:38, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The bureacracy usually doesn't trouble me, though I'm always disappointed when an article I nominate for deletion stays only because there's been insufficent discussion to gauge "consensus" - I've never understood how many not-votes it takes to establish this. Once you accept that this is inherently a deeply pointless activity that will not earn you the Kingdom of Heaven, it goes much better; it beats playing Free Cell. It's a formal system with rules and behavior, and sometimes you can prod the system into a pleasant effect; then the tide rolls in and it goes back to a blank slate again.
 * There's a great book on the contributors to the Oxford English Dictionary . I wonder if we have any contributors to match William Chester Minor ? --Wtshymanski (talk) 21:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

FYI
I've brought your behavior at Family Radio Service and General Mobile Radio Service to AN3. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 02:39, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Impressive. See you there. --Wtshymanski (talk) 02:41, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Please remember to AGF even about IP editors
Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Medgar Evers. Edits such as this tend to be experiments by newcomers to Wikipedia. The appropriate response is to welcome them to Wikipedia, not to accuse them of vandalism in the reverting edit summary. Thank you. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 03:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Most IP edits that I run across are vandalism. --Wtshymanski (talk) 14:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

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 * [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Talk:List of 7400 series integrated circuits. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia.   Guy Macon  21:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

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 * [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia.  24.177.120.74 (talk) 15:49, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Assumptions are only held till facts come in. --Wtshymanski (talk) 16:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * In my last 500 edits, I tagged 79 of them as "rv v" or as "rv spam" and 78 of those were to IP addresses. True, I have not counted how many edits by all editors were not vandalism or spam in that period. --Wtshymanski (talk) 16:35, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Proving nothing, since your last 500 edits is not even close to a statistically valid sampling. Policy is that you AGF, not that you AGF with registered editors only. If you don't like that policy, I suggest you take it to the Village Pump. This conversation is over. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 01:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * This conversation is over. Wow...flashing back to elementary school. Does that really work? --Wtshymanski (talk) 01:53, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

use of edit summaries
Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the article Phase-out of incandescent light bulbs has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. Please use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did, and feel free to use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do. Please use the article talk page to comment on the contents of an article, so that other editors might see and respond to your comments more readily. Edit summaries are best used to simply describe the changes made in an edit. As an aside, sarcasm does not tend to translate well over the Internet, especially on Wikipedia. To the end of productively communicating and collaborating with other editors, it oftentimes behooves one to make one's point simply and succinctly. Thank you. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 03:27, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's see. In my house I suppose I could have a kilowatt or so of lights. But my furnace is rated something like 90,000 btu/hour, or say 26 kW.  And even in the wintertime I don't leave all the lights on all the time.  This makes a difference of what, 2 or 3% to my gas consumption? This is not dramatic, it's hard even to measure. I thought as a devotee of precision yourself, that you would appreciate that "dramatic" differences usually mean something that shows up in the second digit of the monthly bill, not lost in the noise. So the comment "How many lights in this house anyway" is apposite; most homes don't get s significant part of their heating from the lighting system, at least in this part of the world. --Wtshymanski (talk) 14:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You're missing the point. That's not an argument I'm having with you. I'm just pointing out that your use of edit summaries tends to be incorrect, and suggesting that you rectify that. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 15:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:General Mobile Radio Service - (How user Jeh got involved)
You might want to check this edit. If you didn't intend to stomp User:Jeh's comment, you probably want to revert yourself. If you did intend to stomp User:Jeh's comment, you probably want to pretend that you didn't, because that's a pretty substantial policy vio. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 02:02, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm flattered by all the personal attention, but it's really unnecessary to devote your full time to following me around. I don't know why i collect entourages of groupies wherever i go...don't hate me because i'm beautiful. --Wtshymanski (talk) 02:09, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 02:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I actually hadn't noticed it! But then I was up until 10 last night. 10 am this morning, that is. Jeh (talk) 05:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

One for your /Griping list - (user Jeh second comments)
Joy over at Commons FfD with this: File:Induction motor (squirrel cage) workings.JPG

Same old KVDP and the endless stream-of-consciousness explanations for how devices work, or how they could work more betterer if only they had a hydrogen-fuelled Sterling engine in there too. Don't miss the text explanation on the image page, or the list o'doom on KVDP. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:23, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh my. These ...things...would not help explain how motors work to the proverbial bright 12-year-old reader.  I thought I understood how induction motors worked till I saw these drawings...they've actually subtracted from my knowledge. Of course, the only thing better than a hydrogen-fuelled "Sterling" engine is broadcast power. WP:CIR discusses this problem. --Wtshymanski (talk) 16:34, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I like WP:CIR. Jeh (talk) 20:19, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

We're all here to make this bestest encyclopedia ever, yes we are
It occurs to me that speculating on an editor's motives requires me to suspend the assumption of good faith. I wonder if someone editing in the MP3 article who quarreled with every assertion on MP3s being popular, accurate, easy to use, etc.; was not sitting in a warehouse full of 8-track tapes he's trying to move? Rational people have discernable objectives; the assumption of rationality is less strict than the assumption of good faith. Assuming that every editor is a maniac bent on destroying the Wikipedia is probably not necessary...yet. Nothing like a little false drama to brighten one's Wikipedia day. --Wtshymanski (talk) 15:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


 * AGF doesn't mean I have to assume anyone is correct, or even that they have a reasonably defensible position. I rather imagine that the Heaven's Gate people firmly believed they were doing the right thing too. Jeh (talk) 15:04, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I had not thought of that. One may in all sincerity and good faith hold a belief which is totally nuts. The proposition that one can make a(n authoritative) encyclopedia from the contriubtions of a million annonymous volunteers may also be held in good faith, but practically speaking is hard to defend. --Wtshymanski (talk) 16:20, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You know, if that's truly your belief, you might consider finding a more defensible project to contribute to. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 17:44, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * A project doesn't have to be considered an authoritative encyclopedia to be worth contributing to. Jeh (talk) 20:43, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * You phrased that like a truism, but it's really just opinion. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 06:34, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * That's in your opinion. Twice. Jeh (talk) 08:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, no, it's factual. Were you correct, there would be nothing other than opinion left. That's solipsism, and I reject it. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 04:02, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Neither part of your statement is factual. Whether or not I phrased "that" as a truism is something of which you cannot possibly have certain knowledge (i.e. you could be wrong), unless you were reading my mind when I wrote it. You reacted to it in the belief that I phrased it as a truism, but that's your reaction based on your interpretation. (I really don't think it should be necessary to add "in my opinion" to everything in order to preclude counters of "that's just your opinion," so I don't.) Conversely, something that is demonstrably true is not a matter of opinion, and there are a very large number of projects that are not considered authoritative encyclopedias, to which large numbers of people neverthless find it worthwhile to contribute time, resources, and even money. (Consider Yahoo Answers.) So while it may not be a truism in your opinion, it would seem to be a valid observation; its truth is most certainly is demonstrable by example. Especially since, the way it's phrased, I'd need only one. Therefore your claim that my statement was opinion is specious. Now, as the judges say on TV... is this going somewhere? Jeh (talk) 19:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Fact: the statement "A project doesn't have to be considered an authoritative encyclopedia to be worth contributing to." is an opinion, as that which is "worth contributing to" is a subjective grouper. Opinion: you're using excessive verbiage to obfuscate the fact that you lack a basic understanding of the distinction between facts and opinion. Answer: unless you're about to have an epiphany about the distinction between objective and subjective assertions, probably not. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 23:00, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

edit summaries
Thank you for your contributions. Please remember to mark your edits, such as your recent edits to Windows Task Manager, as "minor" only if they truly are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes, or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". Thank you. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 04:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I did think the ones marked as minor qualified as such, and I still do. Your opinion to the contrary is noted. Jeh (talk) 09:55, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * You get to have your own opinions, but you don't get your own facts. "Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes, or rearrangement of text without modification of content." Please do not revert good-faith contributions or sourced assertions with an edit flagged 'minor'. You may be banned for continuing in this manner. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Perhaps if you had been on Wikipedia more than a few weeks you would realize that the "minor" tag isn't solely used that way. But to quote another part of that page, I believed it "required no review and could never be the object of a dispute." Well, not a dispute from competent editors, anyway. I still do. Considering that I then reverted my own edit, and then reverted the subject editors' entire set of changes as one massive copyvio, I seriously doubt I'm at risk of being banned. Drop this point, please - it's ancient history. Jeh (talk) 16:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll drop it if you WP:AGF. Incivility can also get you banned. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 04:54, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Where is the lack of assumption of good faith? Where is the incivility? WP:CIVIL does not require me to agree with you or to thank you for telling me something I disagree with. Nor can I be banned (the word is blocked, by the way) for failing to meet your specifications for a response here. Indeed, WP:CIVIL requires you to stop annoying me on my talk page if I ask. And I have now asked, twice. You made your point - there is nothing more you can say about that besides quoting WP:MINOR yet again. And your continued threats are most decidedly uncivil. Please move on. Jeh (talk) 06:38, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

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Not encylopediac
Read WP:NOT and tell me why this article should be here - it's not very encyclopediac, is it? --Wtshymanski 18:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

On the contrary...
[[WP:NOT] states:

"Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. This means that there is no practical limit to the number of topics we can cover, or the total amount of content..."

This list is useful to us engineers and very much Wikipediac. Rather than being deleted, this topic should be expanded with information about the different families (74LS, 74HC, 74HCT...) -- possibly in a related entry with links both ways.

If there is a specific part of WP:NOT that you believe applies, please specify it.

--Guy Macon (talk) 18:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

History - Francis E Williams - 24.177.120.24
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Family Radio Service. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular, the three-revert rule states that: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording, and content that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. —teb728 t c 10:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
 * 2) Editors violating the rule will usually be blocked for 24 hours for a first incident.
 * 3) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

User talk:Wtshymanski
Thank you for the reply here, but you have intrigued me now, who or what is "NAT"? there is no entry on this encyclopedia when I searched for it.Francis E Williams (talk) 14:36, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S. I found this CharlieEchoTango (talk | contribs), now it makes more sense. Francis E Williams (talk) 15:39, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * P.P.S. I think you meant Network address translation didn`t you? It doesn't mean you can;t be located at this place  though does it? Francis E Williams (talk) 16:36, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * NAT is a common acronym for Network Address Translation. It does not mean that I can't be located in that place, but it also does not mean that I must be. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 02:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Preview, pls.
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Regarding your edits to E 14 (Norway), it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, reduces edit conflicts, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thank you. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 07:21, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your well intentioned comments. Perhaps the history would have revealed to you that the article was already laid out correctly until another user "re-arranged" it with an automaic tool. I am assisting a norweigian contributor whose english is not as good as he would like ti to be, would you like to help him Guy?. Francis E Williams (talk) 11:28, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Please keep the discussion on the talk page where it was originally placed. Edits like this could have been avoided had you used preview first. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * End of conversation.Francis E Williams (talk) 16:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 06:57, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

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Misguided editor has attempted to prevent free speech ..Silly man, tried to block IT professional
June 2015

Non-admin comment. This user should not be unblocked. They have totally ignored Wikipedia conventions with regard to sources and references and also inserting totally false information, ie: regarding Hardy Monument on the Dorchester, Dorset article. In spite of requests to stop commenting on my Talk page, they have continued to do so under various IP's. Admin's should note that this user is editing, in the past few days, under the following names/IP's:- Francis E Williams, Billy from Bath, IP:86.165.194.175, IP:88.108.240.74 and today from IP:86.131.173.198. A clear case of sockpuppeting. Thank you and regards, David J Johnson (talk) 16:25, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I cannot and have not logged in as Francis E Williams nor as Billy from Bath it is not possible as the login logs will show. Every time my router is switched on it issues me with a dynamic host control protol ( DHCP ) controlled account from B.T.'s servers. So the above statement is neither factual or correct. What ever number is seen following this comment is not controlled by me. I would suugest that the user making this comment should accept the fact that (a) a genuine error was made with regard the wrong Thomas Hardy. (The sailor not the novelist. (b) The edit regarding the location of the skate park is correct as regard it is in fact opposite Brewery Square adjacent to the car parks used by the covered markets in Dorchester. The fact that I did not know the name of the road is why the contribution was reverted. No sources were required for either contribution as they were addition to existing unsourced contributions. As the user David removed my original comment from his talk page and then failed to notify me that he had in fact made a comment to me. I replied to his comment, as I am rightly allowed to do in a democracy. NOWHERE in this following comment from user David does it state "this is my final comment to you.".

I QUOTE "The truth of this matter is that factual, spelling and grammar errors were being made to the Dorchester, Dorset article, without any references or sources: that is why they were removed. I would also remind this "editor" that it is entirely proper for a editor to remove content from their Talk page and it is edit warring to reinstate them. Thank you Charles for your entirely correct comments. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 12:14, 6 June 2015 (UTC) " unquote

The historical evidence of the talkpage history will show :- Comments 1 and 2 are User Billy, comment 3 is a comment from user Charles, comment 4 is Billy response to Charles. Comment 5 is the one quoted above from user David. Comment 6 is my response to user David. Comment 7 from user David icludes the words "Please stop".

I then posted the following, addressed to no one in particular. As it can be seen User David made yet another "final comment" to user Billy.

"This contributor has survived seven decades on this planet and is currently recovering from a Cerebral hemorrhage resuling in a half body stroke and eye defects caused by type 2 diabetes and as a result has decided to cease contributing to this project. Billy from Bath (talk) 10:52, 7 June 2015 (UTC) This contributor was also known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Francis_E_Williams. Billy from Bath (talk) 11:23, 7 June 2015 (UTC)"

"Good, you have been blocked anyway for being a sockpuppet account. David J Johnson (talk) 12:23, 7 June 2015 (UTC)"

User Billy was blocked from replying with his own account and then replied with an un-logged I.P. address. So the above statement by a senoir editor with admin rights is totallly fabricated to attempt to mislead the reader and to colour the facts. 86.131.4.106 (talk) 18:43, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * As it says, Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. --jpgordon:==( o ) 18:51, 8 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Talk page access removed. Use WP:UTRS if you wish a review of your block. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 16:34, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I did not create the "problem" in the first place, an I.P. editor did. I just reacted to it. Yet another law for one and not for another. This is exactly why I never appealed the last block. This is just a repeat of what happened before 4 years ago, it's a closed shop , don't rock the boat and you're alright jack ! . Anybody can make any statement they like and everybody else closes ranks. Your system stinks! 81.153.189.3 (talk) 18:11, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * To confirm my recent statemenrs about dealing with confused editors who have limited understanding of hoe Wikipedia edit software functions. Here is a second encounter with yet another a senior editor (who has only added 2 comtributions to the content on this Encyclopedia.) The rest of the "edits" are purely talk pages and sometimes misguided removals of contributions. Here are the "edit comments" and the mistakes made that I was also supposed to be guilty of, this is what prompted the response that the second "block" is all supposed to be about. A stifling of free speech to defend ones actions here is now been attempted to be put in place. Note the "please stop" comments to various users to end conversations while HIS point is made. Indicating that he alone must control the way the conversation continues. The confusion in the mind between what was ACTUALLY said and what was THOUGHT to be said by this user. Contributors are supposed to consider this normal and proffessional behaviour editorial here. The editor needs and has had help in the past as this log shows.

20:28, 9 June 2015 Dennis Brown (talk | contribs) protected User talk:David J Johnson‎ ‎[edit=autoconfirmed] (expires 20:28, 16 June 2015 (UTC))‎[move=autoconfirmed] (expires 20:28, 16 June 2015 (UTC)) (User request via email) (hist) 22:21, 28 March 2013 Gogo Dodo (talk | contribs) protected User talk:David J Johnson‎ ‎[edit=autoconfirmed] (expires 22:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)) ‎[move=autoconfirmed] (expires 22:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)) (Persistent sock puppetry) (hist) 22:21, 28 March 2013 Gogo Dodo (talk | contribs) changed visibility of a revision on page User talk:David J Johnson: edit summary hidden (RD3: Purely disruptive material) 22:21, 28 March 2013 Gogo Dodo (talk | contribs) changed visibility of 2 revisions on page User talk:David J Johnson: content hidden, edit summary hidden and username hidden (RD3: Purely disruptive material)

You couldn't make this up !! I am the ONE who has suffered the stroke, but luckily only half my body and my sight are affeted by it, not my interlect.. read on bt clicing the "Edit " button and looking at the edit screen below this text, it will be clearly displayed as it apperaed on the original page.

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(→‎It is time to learn: new section) (cur | prev) 14:19, 8 June 2015‎ 86.131.173.198 (talk)‎. . (158,502 bytes) (+1)‎. . (→‎Dorchester: update) (cur | prev) 17:05, 7 June 2015‎ Acroterion (talk | contribs)‎. . (158,501 bytes) (-567)‎. . (Reverted to revision 665883473 by David J Johnson (talk): Rv better. (TW)) (cur | prev) 17:03, 7 June 2015‎ Acroterion (talk | contribs)‎ m. . (159,068 bytes) (-1)‎. . (Reverted edits by 86.165.194.175 (talk) to last version by SineBot) (cur | prev) 17:03, 7 June 2015‎ 86.165.194.175 (talk)‎. . (159,069 bytes) (+1)‎. . (→‎Dorchester) (cur | prev) 17:02, 7 June 2015‎ SineBot (talk | contribs)‎ m. . (159,068 bytes) (+256)‎. . (Signing comment by 86.165.194.175 - "→‎Dorchester: farewell, parting is such sweet sorrow.") (cur | prev) 17:01, 7 June 2015‎ 86.165.194.175 (talk)‎. . (158,812 bytes) (+311)‎. . (→‎Dorchester: farewell, parting is such sweet sorrow.) (cur | prev) 12:38, 7 June 2015‎ David J Johnson (talk | contribs)‎. . (158,501 bytes) (+61)‎. . 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End of extract. "Editors and Admins" please note. You may remove items on my talk page and various other pages from view, but you CANNOT remove them from Wiki's archive. The system does not allow it. 86.131.173.24 (talk) 09:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC) 86.165.13.96 (talk) 12:06, 10 June 2015 (UTC) extract transferred 86.165.13.96 (talk) 12:06, 10 June 2015 (UTC)