User talk:Frank042316

That is not the name of ULL's teams, which is why I continue to change it. Until it's officially changed, I'll continue to correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geauxruston (talk • contribs) 03:27, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

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Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football. Such edits are disruptive and appear to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. UW Dawgs (talk) 19:23, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

ULL "branding" efforts
Hey, Pncomeaux. I wanted to drop you a note to remark on what you might've already noticed, which is that I've removed several instances from articles where you've introduced the branding efforts of ULL into various articles alongside the mention of the school and its athletic program. As I've noted at Talk:Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns, Wikipedia isn't a tool for or extension of a school or other organization's PR or marketing departments, and for that reason these "rebranding" efforts really aren't the proper subject for coverage in various articles. If the school wants to rebrand itself, that's fine, but the way it'll be referred to in Wikipedia follows the guidance at WP:COMMONNAME. I ask that you contribute to the discussion there, focusing on the substance of the arguments, and relevant Wikipedia policies. (I'm a northerner and have no stake in the various ULL / LSU / LTU squabbles - don't even understand them.) If you gain a consensus to add the branding commentary back into the articles, then feel free to restore what I've removed; but in the meantime please let it be. Thanks, and see you at Talk:Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns. JohnInDC (talk) 15:08, 19 August 2016 (UTC) Hey John:
 * 1) I disagree with your assertion that this is a 'branding effort' by the school.  I excepted that excuse as a compromise, but feel that although it might not be the common name, the actual name of the teams of ULL are in fact the 'Louisiana Ragin Cajuns,' or the stand-alone reference of 'Louisiana.'
 * 2) What happened to consensus building, prior to reverting edits?  Why have you unilaterally determined that the offical name if the school should removed from articles?Pncomeaux (talk) 19:24, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * First, thanks for replying here and for your comments at the other Talk page. I've responded there to everything and think we should continue there.  Separately, as for my reversions of your edits, I made them because yours were recent, across-the-board additions that do not seem consistent with WP:COMMONNAME, and which are as such unnecessary clutter in articles that aren't even about ULL.  I really don't think there's much room for debate there, though I'd of course acquiesce if consensus turned out to be otherwise.  I also hoped that because I come to this discussion as a neutral & disinterested editor, you might be more inclined to accept the edits as matters of Wikipedia policy rather than as the work of someone with some axe to grind.  Thanks again for the discussion and I hope to continue to engage with you.  JohnInDC (talk) 22:38, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Hey, It isn't "rebranding" if Louisiana's own conference, the Sun Belt Conference claims that Louisiana-Lafayette can now be called Louisiana or Louisiana's Seanmyers2004 (talk)10:39, 25 November 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.202.96 (talk)

Not vandalism
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September 2016
It appears you intend to resume your WP:Disruptive Editing. Please read WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Your edits have been reverted per consensus on Talk:Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns. UW Dawgs (talk) 13:52, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

It is not disruptive editing. There is no need to use 'Louisiana-Lafayette' when it's already established which team is being referenced.

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 * Can you explain to me why it is so very necessary to include 'Louisiana-lafayette' HAS to be used in this instance???? It was already established why school is being discussed, so using it is redundant and poor grammar.
 * If you think the current phrasing is awkward or otherwise unsuitable you should take it up at the article Talk page and see what other editors think! JohnInDC (talk) 14:34, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * so why is he allowed to make changes without having to 'talk' about it first.....like I am required to do? And even if I am right, like I am in this case, it is a certainty that my edit will not be allowed to stand.Pncomeaux (talk) 14:37, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * There was an extended discussion about the terms to be used to refer to the school and its athletic teams at Talk:Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns. Your edits appeared to be inconsistent with the consensus there and that's why they were reverted.  When that happens, you - or the other editor - should open discussion at Talk.  Whether you find agreement or not, at least you are discussing it.  If you don't discuss it at all, and keep reverting, then you're not having a discussion about substance but rather are edit warring and that will lead to a block.  I guess what I'm saying is that, if you are making good points then by raising them you at least stand a chance of persuading other editors.  You may not succeed, which is disappointing, but is a better outcome than neither succeeding and being blocked!  JohnInDC (talk) 14:56, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * So, was he also given the same and equal 'warnings' that I received? Why did he not need to discuss in 'talk' the edits that he made prior to making his edits, or reversing mine?  His original statements were poorly written and redundant:  it not only repeated the school's name twice, but also the part of 'New Orleans Bowls.'  Your final edit is much cleaner.  But why are you allowed to make the change to both his edit and mine, without discussing first? Also, his edit had nothing to do with the 'consensus.'  Does the 'consensus' require that 'Louisiana-Lafayette' be used in each and every sentence?  Even when naming the school is not necessary?  Because that's what he was doing.Pncomeaux (talk) 15:02, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Here's how it looks to me. You have a history of propagating a particular way of talking about the school and its athletic teams in a way that isn't consistent with Wikipedia policies or consensus.  You have backed off that quite a bit (which I notice and appreciate) but because of your prior single-mindedness on this issue, other editors tend to view your edits to the ULL pages with a bit of skepticism.  So when you made changes to the ULL football page 1) without and edit summary and 2) with a typo, other editors may conclude (fairly or unfairly) that you have just started up again with this naming thing.  UWDawgs at least gave a reason in his edit summary for what he did.  When you responded by reverting him, then twice more without comment or any attempt at discussion, it makes you look like you really don't care about that basic Wikipedia practice.  In the best world, he'd have opened a Talk page discussion - but he didn't, and your complete silence on the issue in light of all that went before made you look obstinate rather than constructive.


 * I'm not trying to be a jerk here or point fingers, but rather just trying to answer your questions honestly, and help you understand. Take things to Talk.  Even if it seems like a losing proposition.  If you go to Talk, and make your case - maybe you prevail, maybe you don't.  If you prevail, great, but if you don't and just move on to the next thing, then people will come to understand that you're not here for you, but for the encyclopedia, and in the future they are likely to cut you a bit more slack in the future.  Is this helpful?  Again I'm not trying to cast blame but just offer a bit of explanation and advice in the hope that it helps you.  JohnInDC (talk) 15:38, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at User talk:Crash Underride. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Neil N  talk to me 15:07, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * My post on his page was on the content of his post....and was much more respectful than the name calling that he HE has done to to SEVERAL other editors on his talk page. If anyone needs reigning in it is that guy.Pncomeaux (talk) 15:11, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * So, please tell me, when did I call anyone an idiot? Oh, that's right, I didn't you called me that on MY talk page. So, yeah, there's that. (I know you'll just remove this...again). (talk page stalker)  Crash Under  ride  15:15, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The section header was obviously not. Please reign it in. --Neil N  talk to me 15:24, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:NPA and WP:NOTHERE. UW Dawgs (talk) 15:32, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
For what it's worth, I believe that the sports team should be Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns and I have no affiliation with the state or the university. Unfortunately, we live in a bizarre world where trademarked names are ignored on Wikipedia...and in case of the Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns that will likely not change since "consensus" was reached a couple of years ago changing the nameG. Capo (talk) 02:59, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Please stop
Please stop moving ULL pages until a consensus can be reached – a consensus was reached to move ULL's sub articles with a couple of users saying 2017–future.. I disagree with anything before the 2017–18 season as this was when the WP:COMMONNAME was established. I have started a discussion here that I encourage to you to comment on before moving any other articles. Corky 23:49, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

ULL
As requested:
 * Talk:Louisiana Ragin%27 Cajuns
 * Because what I mentioned in the second to last sentence: the WP:COMMONNAME wasn't established until late 2017. Pretty simple. Most media articles read "Louisiana–Lafayette" pre 2017... Corky 23:50, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Also, the simple fact that you're only changing inline text rather than doing a Requested Move is a problem. Either move the page so the title changes or don't, this is part of the issue I see with the edits you've made on Ragin' Cajuns pages all along. Billcasey905 (talk) 16:05, 13 September 2018 (UTC)


 * UL
 * Thanks for your prompt reply. However, when I see this from UCO2009bluejay, also from the same talk page, it makes me doubt why there is now a "2017-2017 Academic year" proscription on this matter:


 * "...only 2017 and later articles should say Louisiana and pre 2017 should remain ULa-La (and NE or SW whatever it was) Louisiana."


 * Besides the rude and dismissive tone of this entry, I otherwise do not see any verbiage on it, or any of the other entries of the consensus that limit the usage, other than stating 2017 and forward. The year that this article deals with is the 2017-2018 baseball season, which clearly falls within that agreed upon timeframe.
 * But I am no means an expert: is there some kind of formal "consensus" entry that deals with the specificity of exactly when to use the current name or not?  Barring that, I will move the article as per your request.  I was actually going to do that today, but was waiting to see if there were any obejections to my changes before doing so.

When I posted that I meant 2017-18 school year, specifically because I deal primarily with football articles. You have had a history of promoting "Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns" over objections of many editors who claimed that Louisiana-Lafayette was the established commonname. Of which I was one of the "objectors" to that term until the project agreed that beginning with the 2017-18 year to switch to Louisiana. I came around when WP:Commonname became established on Wikipedia in the Fall 2017. So I don't support the moving of 2016-17 baskeball, 2017 baseball etc. Feel free to set up a move request if you want. I don't think you'll get your desired result, but it is better than the alternative. Also please sign your name there is even a button for it.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 20:02, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I did not intend to come off as rude or dismissive. However, this has been going on for a long time and personally I'm tired of it.  If that came through as rude and dismissive, I apologize.  I did, however, offer you the proper way to accomplish what you're trying to accomplish, while pointing out that I (and I believe many others) disagree with your reading of the consensus.  This article (2017 baseball) actually addresses the baseball team for the 2016-17 academic year, and so my stance is that this predates the adjustment of the common name, which was established during the 2017 football season.  Billcasey905 (talk) 03:27, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

WP:Civil
I know you are a WP:SPA and all, for ULL. And none of us bat 1.000 but try to be Civil in your discussions on wikipedia. Calling something "idiotic vandalism" is ridiculous, even more so because your edits for the longest time were considered vandalism. Yes, I agree that the edits were vandalism but there are better ways to go about this. I've been trout slapped myself a few times.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:11, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You know, maybe this would have some crediblility if you weren't being so snarky yourself. The vandalism is INDEED "ridiculous" when it is coming from somone who is an obvious hater of the school and who quotes a "ridiculous" and irrelevant "law" as the reason why they are making the edits.  It is very frustrating to see this/these individuals do no other 'edits' other than vandalizing the UL pages.  Did you check the user's contributions???  And not just this one, but of all the others who continue to vandalize these articles...like "geauxruston?"  But yes, my comment in reversing their vandalism is what the issue is.  Carry on.


 * You take everything too personally. I am trying to help you in your discussions because stuff like that to people unfamiliar with these discussions makes you look bad. Keep in mind I am telling you that you were correct in your revision, but the tone can hurt your credibity (with editors outside CFB circles) in future discussion if a possible move request back to ULL ever ensues. (I again, am speaking from experience on this.)--UCO2009bluejay (talk) 19:05, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

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 * Your cite: Conflicting statements of 1) Louisiana Tech was offered a bid Saturday to play Louisiana-Monroe," an Independence Bowl official told ESPN. "They turned it down." and 2) Nobody turned a bowl bid down," he said. "We asked for more time to vet two other opportunities that we had that we felt good about."


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Sorry, I should have been clearer: this would not be a stand-alone article at this time. It is meant to supplement an existing article on the University of Louisiana at Lafayette.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Louisiana_at_Lafayette

Also, I have seen a similar section is added on most university's articles, including one for La Tech, which even also has a separate article devoted to "Traditions"....as well as separate articles numerous other subjects. None of them appear unbiased, it should be noted. Were those articles also subjected to approval? Using the same standards as the one I submitted? If you read through the articles for LTU I would be very curious to see if you note any bias in them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Tech_University#Traditions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditions_of_Louisiana_Tech_University

Is it really necessary to have a separate article on LTU's mascot? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tech_(mascot)

Or this rather long article of it's "notable" people? Do all of these folks seem to be "notable" to you guys?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Louisiana_Tech_University_people Pncomeaux (talk)


 * The people on the LTU people article all pass notability and have pages just like this article. I am not going to comment on the traditions element. But I would ask a question at Talk:University of Louisiana at Lafayette.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 16:35, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * ok, agreed about the notable people pages. However, really not sure why you do not want to comment on the traditons element?  Of either school?Pncomeaux (talk)
 * You could start with in-line citations.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 17:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Interim head coach
It’s not typically stated that way in the title field of the infobox, it is in the coaching history list and the first sentence of the article. I’m not going to fight with you over it but you reverted about 10 other edits when you could have just put “interim” back in. Rikster2 (talk) 22:08, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

It may not be typical, but it is factually accurate that he is the Interim Head Coach. As far as removing your other other edits, I was wrong to do that and apologize. I have also fixed the article. Pncomeaux (talk) 13:29, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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Hello! I'm just opening this here to let you know my thought process behind my edits; Looking through former players from ULL, I noticed a lot of inconsistency in how the school/team is noted in infoboxes, and a vast majority had their college/team noted as Louisiana-Lafayette, so it seemed appropriate to change the ones I noticed that differed from this. I'm not going to go change any others in this category, but I wanted to bring to your attention that on this |this page differ from your assertion of what they should be, just in case you wanted to go through and change them. The only other thing I will say is, it is fundamental to assume good faith from all editors, so please accept my apology and understand that I was acting in good faith when I made those edits, and vandalism shouldn't be assumed unless it is obvious. Either way, my apologies and cheers! Spf121188 (talk) 21:03, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, I read that page you posted on my talk page after you included it in your edits, but I appreciate the addition (truly, I'm not being sarcastic.) which is why I haven't continued to find other players who differed from this. Happy editing and cheers, Spf121188 (talk) 21:06, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message. Please understand the history of this:  there are a couple of schools in Louisiana that refuse to accept the "Louisiana" name for UL, and will from time-to-time vandalize the school's pages.  It seems that you are not one of those editors, and no doubt did not realize the entire history behind it.
 * All I ask is that you make edits in the future that it complies with the consensus that has been reached in regards to the issue.
 * Thanks again and I wish you well.
 * Totally understood! Much appreciated, and cheers as always! Spf121188 (talk) 21:23, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

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Ted Prior
Hi Frank,

Your edits on Ted Prior were strange to me. You added a citation for his birthdate, which didn't include it. Also regarding his Playgirl work, you added a citation from IMDb. IMDb is not an acceptable citation and it doesn't mention the event.

Now when I originally worked on the page I thought it was some sort of troll, but it is true. It seems that it is something that he did once in passing, and even if it was found that he posed for more erotic magazines, he is not known for that, and that is not why he has a Wiki page. He is a notorious b movie actor.

Hence adding his chippendale and playgirl stuff in the lede, is not appropriate. The subject probably doesn't want to google his name for this stuff to pop up.

No big deal, thought I'd let you know. Filmman3000 (talk) 19:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
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