User talk:Frank777w

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Hello,. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikiquette alerts regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --SJK (talk) 20:15, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Response to Wikiquette Alert
Thank you, SJK for informing me of this. However, how do I find out more about this? If anyone wants to know my position on the issue of The True Furqan, please go to the discussion page for the article, The True Furqan for 9 February 2010. Thanks.Frank777w (talk) 21:47, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia, Bicycles, and Wagons
Frank, having encountered your work at The True Furqan and seeing the comments here, I'm concerned for you and would like to offer some encouragement and advice. I've gone over your user contributions and what I see is a Wikipedian who is working really hard, and with complete good faith, to try to contribute to Wikipedia. Thank you for that. I also see someone who, despite their hard, heart–felt work, has found it really difficult to make contributions which survive the editing process here. If I were in your shoes — and I have, indeed, been in similar ones here — I'd be feeling very frustrated and unappreciated and might be thinking about leaving. I'd like to say that I, at least, appreciate your intentions and your hard work even if it has been mostly unsuccessful and would encourage you to stay and keep trying. Because of that, I think that you deserve a cookie:

In my Third Opinion, I suggested that you need to read the guideline on what Wikipedia is not, but let me point out what Wikipedia is: It's an dead-solid, absolutely-serious encyclopedia and there are very strict rules and guidelines on what can be included and what cannot. When people put in things that don't fit within those rules, the editing process can be, as you're experiencing, pretty brutal.

The full text of a traditional encyclopedia, the 1911 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, can be accessed here. Let me suggest that you read a couple of articles there and compare them against what you have written here at Wikipedia. Encyclopedias do not include in-depth analysis by the editors, personal opinions of the editors, or discussion of the quality or editing of an article within the article itself. Neither does Wikipedia. (That's not to say that some of that doesn't creep into Wikipedia and go uncorrected, sometimes for long periods of time, but that doesn't mean that it's condoned.)

When you contribute here, your work must fit within the encyclopedic goal and standards of Wikipedia. It may be that what you want to do with your writing doesn't fit within those goals and standards. You may want to offer analysis, or new research, or reviews, or your observations, comments, and opinions about subjects. There is nothing wrong with wanting to do that kind of writing, but it does not have a place at Wikipedia because it does not fit within the purpose of Wikipedia. When you try to do it here, other editors are neither being vandals nor censors when they remove it, they are instead merely trying to uphold the purpose and rules of Wikipedia.

An analogy: Let's say someone takes a job in a bicycle factory, but instead of making bicycles he makes wagons out of the bicycle parts. Is it wrong for the factory to say, "your wagons are very nice but we just want to make bicycles," and to disassemble his wagons? Is it vandalism to disassemble his wagons? Is it censorship of his creative efforts? The answer to both questions is no. Does the man have the right to try to talk the factory into making wagons? Yes, but is the right way for him to do that to continue to make wagons even though he knows that the factory does not want him to do so? No. Does the factory have the right to punish or to discharge (fire) him if he keeps making wagons, or if he continuously reassembles his wagons after the factory disassembles them? Yes.

All of that is true here at Wikipedia, too. It may be that you want to make wagons, not bicycles, Frank. That's fine, but this is not the place to do it. It may be that you think Wikipedia should become a bicycle and wagon factory. That's fine, too, but the way to try to make that happen isn't by continuing to make wagons, but to try to talk Wikipedia into allowing wagons. (If that's what you want to do, let me know and I'll point you in the right direction to try to do it, but let me caution you that it is not likely to succeed.) I hope that you will want to continue to try to make bicycles, but if you decide that Wikipedia's purpose is too narrow or that it's rules are too complex and too hard to understand or to use, we will understand. But if you decide to stay, you have to make bicycles and up until now you've been mostly making wagons.

If you do want to stay, let me suggest that you've not been very successful at learning–by–doing. You probably need to take a break from editing for a while and use the time to study the extensive help that's available for Wikipedians. If you would like some specific recommendations, please let me know. Good luck, and best regards,  T RANSPORTER M AN  ( TALK ) 16:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Your user page
Maybe you should put something on your user page? For the moment I have redirected it to your talk page, so at least your user doesn't come up as a redlink. But really, your user page is for you to use, to give people an introduction to who you are, etc. --SJK (talk) 09:02, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit warring at The True Furqan
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. - LuckyLouie (talk) 19:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I went and removed internal references from The True Furqan as requested by several Wikipedians, as well as by Mr Kissane, and hopefully this is acceptable. In addition, I'm cleaning up the article and to make it more favourable and balanced.  Thank you.

ArbCom elections are now open!
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