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March 2017
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 * Sorry User:DatGuy but the article Religion in Russia needed newer data than 5-years-old data. The user Wddan continues to revert new changes and doensn't understand that he's edit-warring. He reverts every data he doesn't like (WP:IDONTLIKETHAT) and I only reontroduce data. He also think that I have multiple accounts and he accused User:Отрок 12 and User:Jobas to be my multiple accounts only becouse we go against his reverts.FrankCesco26TalkContribs 11:58, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

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Religion in the NL
Hello, admin action has been requested. No need for more reverts. JimRenge (talk) 21:16, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * See what he wrote in the request for protection... I wanted to reply as this ':The truth is that User:31.151.113.246 makes vandalism on the page imposing data that didn't reached consensous. Colors don't matter... "honeydew" is the main color for irreligion in all of pie charts. Protection is needed for disruptive editings by the IP-user. Stop edit warring.' but I can't, IDK why. FrankCesco26 21:17, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:vandalism, his edits are problematic but clearly not vandalism. The best thin you can do is explain your reasons for the revert on the talk page. Further reverts make no sense at all. Let the admin decide.  JimRenge (talk) 21:36, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

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Edit warring at Religion in Italy
Please consider replying to the complaint about your edits: WP:AN3. It appears that you continue to revert to your own preference, regardless of what others have said to you on the talk page. You are risking a block. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 20:56, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

June 2017
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for edit warring, as you did at Religion in Italy. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may request an unblock by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:43, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring at Religion in France and other articles
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 weeks for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. The full report is at the edit warring noticeboard. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 22:15, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The previous one-week block was due to a report here at AN3 in June. EdJohnston (talk) 22:19, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * User:EdJohnston, if you're going to block User:FrankCesco26, User:Wddan should also be blocked for edit warring to an equal or even greater extent. They have not followed WP:BRD and have instead restored their preferred version. User:FrankCesco26 was using the article talk pages and seems to have only tried to restore the original version before User:Wddan's problematic edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desmay (talk • contribs)
 * User:Desmay, consider opening an WP:RFC at Talk:Religion in France or use WP:DRN. EdJohnston (talk) 16:50, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Desmay's personal view of my edits is false and bad-faith: in my intermediate edits, for instance this one (see the edit summary), I integrated the sources brought by FrankCesco26 with those that I introduced and he wanted to remove at all costs. Future revisions of the articles shall reflect this and the new developments in the talk-pages of the pertinent articles. In the linked edit summary note that the source named "2016IFOP", which FrankCesco26 falsely claimed I removed, was rather correctly renamed "2016Montaigne", since it is a research of the Institut Montaigne.--Wddan (talk) 17:56, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You should see both faces of the medal. The two sources were too different to be integrated, the only thing they had in common was the year. said the truth, I was only restoring the last consensual revision since 's edits removed all other sources without citing any reason, forcing the reader to trust the source he liked. I used the talk pages to explain the unrealiablity of the Ipsos Global Trends (and later I had consensous by three people, here), but  reverted the pages twice, without giving a reason and accusing me of WP:IDONTLIKETHAT. He forced me to revert again the pages and infringing the 3RR, later he reported me; but I didn't make anything in bad faith. I want to add that the survey was made by the Institut Montaigne and the IFOP (as you can see at page 7 of the report.). In the last revision (the most consensual one by most of people) I integrated your source here.FrankCesco26 (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Apart from the fact that there was no "consensual revision" prior to my edits, and apart from the other fact that my edits did not encounter the objection of other users who edited the same articles in the meanwhile; my edits did not include merely that Ipsos data but other material including pictures, grammar and prose corrections, etc, and we are not talking merely of "Religion in France", but also of "...in Belgium" and "...in Sweden", where the removal of Ipsos was undue, since there were no substitutes of the same or higher value. And besides this, the outcome of the discussions is that the Ipsos survey is less reliable than others as it represents just a part, though a major one, of the populations: the outcome, which by the way came after the opening of the case on the administrators' noticeboard, is not that Ipsos data are utterly unreliable and should be erased completely, but rather that they are secondary and should not stay in the lede.--Wddan (talk) 19:51, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As cited in the list of the motivations of my ban, you not the sole judge of what sources ought to be used in Wikipedia articles. You didn't have the right to remove all of other sources without consensous.
 * I didn't "erased completely" your source, I integrated in the article as secondary source, with the consensous of other Wikipedians, here.
 * Also, "my edits did not encounter the objection of other users who edited the same articles in the meanwhile" is not consensous, and it's obvious, since there wasn't an wide research on the sample; in fact when I found out in the information page of the survey that the sample excluded the over-64 population, I had the consensous of three people,, and  (as you can see here).
 * Did you have any consensous in removing 17 and more sources (I made the comparision from the last revision before your changes, note in particular this edit and the given motivations)?
 * Did you made a section in the talk page to seek consensous before making a so drastical change (as I did in the Religion in Italy talk page, discussing the change of only one source, and later I got banned)?
 * Did you explain your three reverts (as I did with logical observations, not unfair use of WP:IDONTLIKETHAT) in the page Religion in France(so you also infringed that rule, but I didn't report it since I think that in the discussions you win talking, not eliminating those who do not think like you)?
 * The last thing I want to say, is that you blocked me also for removing the reports from CIA and the USA depart. of state without an agreement, but actually I had an agreement since Wddan said that reports aren't sources in his message of the 08:41, 18 September 2017 here.
 * Then, I understand my ban, but I think that, as  also said, also  should be blocked for his behavior and the same things I got blocked for.FrankCesco26 (talk) 20:14, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You say: "I didn't "erased completely" your source, I integrated in the article as secondary source, with the consensous of other Wikipedians, here." I respond: You introduced back that source, and a lot of other edits I made, after the edit-warring and after I opened the case on the administrators' noticeboard. You are playing and messing-up with the chronology of events, and this is enough.--Wddan (talk) 20:27, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You made the same for the convenient "merging" you made, and before making that addiction I seeked for consensous. When I had the 's agreement, I introduced it back as a secondary source. I am not playing, and I you can also check with the chronlogy, how many sources you removed without consensous. I want to point up this edit you made, saying that you removed about 15 sources becouse according to you were "old, report-of-report, unreliable, confused data" with the consent of no one.FrankCesco26 (talk) 20:29, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * FrankCesco: We don't aim for having a bunch of arguing people each of whom is making claims of consensus while continuing to revert one another. We aim for a single talk page discussion where the participants express their agreement to a common solution. (An WP:RFC is one way to do this). If people still disagree, an outsider such as an admin can be asked to sum up the opinions and state which version has the most support. All this ought to happen without any of the participants reverting the article. The final version that gets the most support should then be permanently installed in the article. EdJohnston (talk) 01:40, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

October 2017 abuse of checkuser request
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Wddan (talk) 09:46, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Let the admnistrators decide if that is "abusive" or not. I think that you did a very uncorrect use of sockpuppets, you used them only as retribution against the sources you didn't like, insulting, provoking, ridiculing and discrediting me.--FrankCesco26 (talk) 11:10, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Warning: Stop swamping articles with poor-quality small survey data from market agencies
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you.
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You are invited to desist from your WP:UNCONSTRUCTIVE editing style consisting in filling articles with poor-quality small survey data, especially when there is solid official data as in the case of "Religion in Austria", resulting in an undue WP:WEIGHT given to such data which in most of the cases comes from market agencies.--Wddan (talk) 12:40, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

This case pertaining to Religion in Denmark is even more emblematic of the problematicity of such surveys. Eurobarometer 2012 result for Lutherans was 64%; ISSP 2015 result for Lutherans was 79%, a difference which is not worthy of representation since it means a significant difference in methodology. Do you realise that results may change drastically based on whether those 1000 surveyed people are from cities or countriside villages, one region of a country rather than another? (in certain countries there are entire areas or small villages which may be of a different religion than the others). These small surveys are not in any way comparable to thorough demoscopic analyses (for instance, Arena Atlas of Russia), and they should not be given WP:UNDUE WEIGHT in any case.

This is my last attempt to persuade you about what means a WP:RELIABLE SOURCE. The next step will be to establish a consensus or even a policy for ousting completely such kind of poor-quality sources from articles about religion demography.--Wddan (talk) 13:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Are you aware that a difference in the phrasing of the question can change the results? Also, for the problem of the village or cities, there is a process named "weighting" that means that the results are weighed in factors like the regional distribution, the ages the income and many other, I weighed both of the results before I added them. Both Eurobarometer and International Social Survey Programme are very reliable sources coming from excellent research centers. The results of both of them are published in the GESIS – Leibniz Institute for the Social Sciences website, largest German infrastructure institute for the social sciences and one of the most important social science institutes of Europe.--FrankCesco26 (talk) 14:59, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

October 2017
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 month for edit warring, as you did at Religion in France. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:54, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Request of the revision of the block

 * I should add that if you can not reach a consensus (which often happens when there are only two people arguing about it, as in this case), you should follow the dispute resolution steps explained in WP:DR. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:07, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Religion in the Netherlands and Religion in France
FrankCesco26, I have received your mail. I am well aware of the pov pushing/disruptive editing and socking on the Religions in The Netherlands article. The insinuatiation presented at the wikidata administrator noticeboard is funny. Religion in France: I think we should present demographic data including the percentage of people who refuse to answer. Their religious views/adherence is simply unknown and can not be calculated. The idea that the religious views of people who refuse to answer are the same or similar to the "answering group" does not appear plausible. JimRenge (talk) 00:52, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It's ok to leave the unanswered if the sources leaves them but in the case for France raw data is not weighted. The final data takes in account only respondents, but it's well weighted so nationally representative. Regarding the user, yes its report is funny, but if he continues I think that it can be reported. --FrankCesco26 (talk) 11:48, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Block bypass in October and November
You probably already know that by editing with the following IPs while your main account is blocked you are violating the sanction itself and therefore the rules of Wikipedia (WP:BP). Yet it appears that you are doing this intentionally. Please stop. I opened an investigation case regarding this issue.--Wddan (talk) 13:34, 3 November 2017 (UTC)


 * 5.168.232.0
 * 5.168.216.49
 * 158.148.222.159

, : Just wanted to make you aware of what is going on, being you involved in the block measure.--Wddan (talk) 13:34, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's him for sure, thanks for the ping. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:39, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Block extended
Your block has been extended for a period of 1 month from today, because you were evading your current block by editing logged out. While this account is blocked, you the person behind it are not allowed to edit at all, logged in or out. I have not escalated the block to, for example, 3 months, but you run the risk of that happening if you evade the block again. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:46, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't know this rule, I thought that good-faith edits were allowed, like changing some colors to make them more visible. I thought that only doing things that are prohibited from the rules were worth a ban... Please remove my additional 8 days, I wasn't aware of this very rule. Give me a chance, I won't edit Wikipedia anymore until my unblock.--FrankCesco26 (talk) 14:24, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * If you were allowed to make good faith edits, then why would your account be blocked to prevent all edits? Why would it be better for you to make them anonymously rather than under your account? Anyway, given your commitment to abide by the block, I have reset the block duration and it will now expire on 26 November. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:50, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for understanding.--FrankCesco26 (talk) 15:30, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

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AN report April 2018
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Wddan (talk) 22:14, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * As a result of this discussion you and Wddan are no longer allowed to edit religious topics broadly construed at this Wikipedia for a duration of 60 days. This includes article talk pages and user talk pages, too, as well as "good edits" like reversal of vandalism. You may appeal this sanction at the Administrators' noticeboard by opening a new thread. Please feel also free to read our Banning policy. De728631 (talk) 13:07, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That's fine, I can finally take a break. But this isn't the correct discussion tho. This was a report of me by Wddan. FrankCesco26 (talk) 13:11, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, alright. So just for the record, I was referring to Administrators' noticeboard. De728631 (talk) 15:38, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

May 2018, religion in the UK
Is this you? I am quite sure it is, given the same geographic location and style (lowercase edit summary, grammatical errors). As I wrote in the talk page of the article, your justification for the removal ("or we add a chart for every survey or remove them all. we can't add charts for every survey we find in the internet") is based on the false assumption that the 2018 survey is random data found on the internet, when it is actually a study of two Catholic universities, St Mary's University, Twickenham and Institut Catholique de Paris, and is based on the European Social Survey, thus it represents excellent data. Moreover, it represents a different section of the population (the youth) and thus it represents data similarly to tables which show the % of religion adherents among different age groups in other articles (this, for example).

Most articles are in a very bad state, with poor, incomplete, unorganised, unsourced content, content sourced with random unreliable sources from the internet, often written in poor language. The last thing that these articles need is the removal of well-sourced content.--Wddan (talk) 15:18, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes it is me, I though I was logged in my account. I only said that the data is ok, but it doesn't deserve to be in the pie chart in a section of only list of surveys,as there are other surveys in the same section and we can't make a pie for every of them.FrankCesco26 17:05, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

May 2018, language pie chart
This removal was not a "retribution" (probably you meant "retaliation") for anything, and I actually was thanked by another user (Gabriel HM) when I removed it from the main article "France". Articles shoul not be overcrowded with pie charts.--Wddan (talk) 19:31, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Also, please use Turquouse next to DodgerBlue when there are no more than two shades of light blue, since DeepSkyBlue is extremely close to DodgerBlue.--Wddan (talk) 19:31, 7 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Ok than add a line chart for it, don't leave the article without a visual representation of the data. DeepSkyBlue is the perfect for the "Other Christians". Turquaise is too similar to the Honeydew.FrankCesco26 (talk) 19:49, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know from what kind of device you are navigating, but Turquoise is a shade of light blue while Honeydew is near to white. DeepSkyBlue is not "perfect" if there are just two shades of light blue, and it is too similar to DodgerBlue. And no, I will not add a line chart. By the same principle according to which you have been removing pie charts from the "religion in..." articles, you can leave just the phrase to present the survey.--Wddan (talk) 19:54, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Then find a different shade of blue that isn't too whitish. Edit: this shade should be good: #8AB9F1 FrankCesco26 (talk) 19:56, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

11 May 2018
Please avoid personal opinions when writing both articles and edit summaries. Per Talk:Religion in Bulgaria.--Wddan (talk) 09:59, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, but please accept other people's contributions. FrankCesco26 (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2018 (UTC)