User talk:Franklin1706

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Halakha
I undid your edits to the Halakha article. We already have a section called Views today. Please notice also that Wikipedia is not a forum for you to vent your personal opinions. Debresser (talk) 17:50, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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Please be notified that your edits to this article do not make a positive contribution. If you disagree with my opinion, please feel free to raise the issue on the talkpage or seek advice from other editors. I want you to read a few relevant Wikipedia guidelines like WP:CONSENSUS, WP:EDITWAR and WP:BRD, before you undo my revert or make any further edits. Debresser (talk) 01:41, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

To user Debresser regarding repeated undoing of edits without explaination
The article on Halakha was misleading and inaccurate in some important respects as well as insulting to Reform and Reconstructionist Jews in that it suggests that Halakha is law for Reform and Reconstructionist Jews as well and that they are committing a sin in breaking any rule of Orthodox or Hasidic Judaism, including those which are not applicable to them. Calling Reform, Reconstructionist, Conservative and Karaite Jews sinners for failing to adhere to the standards of other religious groups is no more true than charging Jews with sinning and violating Jewish law by not attending mass as and taking communion or other Christian sacraments or by failing to fast during an Islamic holiday. When user Debresser suggested that the cautions to the readers be limited to the Views today section of the article, the edit was promptly revised to comply with that request. User Debresser then quickly deleted the edits made to address the areas where the article was inaccurate or misleading in its implications or statements about Jewish law applicable to Jews who were members of Reform or Reconstructionist streams of Judaism or was incomplete in in discussing some of the topics so as to leave out relevant information.

User Debresser has repeatedly undone corrective edits without showing any error in the material deleted. Every time this is done, it has left the article misleading and incomplete.

Prior to making future deletions relating to the Jewish law of the Reform Jews and of the Reconstructionist Jews, it is suggested that user Debresser confer with a Reform or Reconstructionist rabbi or a scholar knowledgeable about progressive streams of Judaism or at least consult authoritative scholarly articles or books on Reform or Reconstructionist Judaism.

The same may be said about the application of law in rabbinical courts in Israel. Prior to deleting information about the laws and procedures in Orthodox / Hasidic Israeli courts, and how that impacts Jews of other religious denominations who are not allowed to use their religious courts, have the law of their own religion applied, or have a civil Israeli court decide their case, it is suggested that user Debresser consult with Reform, Conservative, Reconstructionist or Karaite legal experts or an Israeli attorney.

If user Debresser has specific points which he can point to which are erroneous and need to be corrected, I request that he set out those points and cite whatever authorities he relies on in the assertion that there is an error so that a correction can be made. Franklin1706 (talk) 05:26, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Dude, it's me, Debresser. No need to refer to me as "user Debresser", as though I'm not here.
 * The Halakha article reflects all the necessary information, in a balanced way, including about how the subject is viewed by the various Jewish denominations.
 * Anybody who does not abide by Halakha is a sinner, according to whatever standard he lives by. That is a definition. The only question is, what standard does this person live by. The article is very clear about both the historical perspective and the modern views on this issue.
 * I do agree that there is place to point to the fact that religious courts in Israel are Orthodox. It should however also be noticed that their jurisdiction is limited to only certain areas as set out in Israeli law, and according to the procedures and guidelines of the law of the State of Israel, which is a far cry from pure Halakha.
 * In general, I'd like to point out that Wikipedia exists now, what, 15 years? And the number of Jewish editors is high, mostly secular. Do you really think that in such a basic area as is covered by this article nobody before you though of the fact that "Halakha" is not just an Orthodox term? Debresser (talk) 07:10, 25 February 2015 (UTC)