User talk:Franscellr

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Unused references
Please do not add items to "Reference" sections unless those items are actually used as references. And if the book you tried to add to some articles is your own, please review our conflict of interest policy. ElKevbo (talk) 05:13, 29 January 2011 (UTC) My bad Franscellr (talk) 05:31, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest
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The book I tried to list (written by me) contains a healthy chapter about Charles Whitman and the 1966 Texas Tower shooting. I now understand the COI, but if I cannot post it as a legitimate external reference on this topic, who can appropriately post it? Franscellr (talk) 05:37, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I would say that as long as the book is published and another editor wishes to cite is as a reference, then that would be acceptable. I would highly recommend you draft your proposed additions, and publish them here as a sub page of your user page, and then go to the appropriate talk page, and ask for comment on whether or not your contribution should be included in the article in question. I'll leave the help me template up, so that way a more experienced user can either refute or concur with my advice, and can further help you in detail. LTC b2412 (Leave a message) 06:45, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

My intention was to add the following to the External Links on the entries for Charles Whitman and the Texas Tower. It refers to my new published book about the lives of 10 survivors of American mass murders, including Whitman's:


 * Franscell, Ron. Delivered from Evil. Beverly, MA: Fair Winds, 2011. ISBN 1-59233-440-7.

I believe it is an entirely appropriate External Link for the topic (and for several others in Wikipedia such as James Huberty, McDonald's massacre, Mark O. Barton, Atlanta Day-trader massacre, Mark Essex and other crimes covered in the book). The only question is whether I personally can post it without it appearing to be a conflict of interest under Wikipedia's definition. Of course, this could all be moot if another Wikipedia editor simply posted them under External Links at those topics.Franscellr (talk) 07:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think it would be appropriate to just drop it in to the external links area. If you had any new information or reorganized information and then referenced your book using the cite book template, then I think it would be entirely appropriate, but I think it's sort of spammy to just drop the reference into the external links without actually referencing the book or otherwise using the book to contribute to the article in some way.  That's my thought, anyway.  Let me know on my talk page if you have any other questions or want to continue chatting about it. Banaticus (talk) 07:52, 29 January 2011 (UTC)