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September 2018
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Combine information
If the info you getting is from the source you provided on Tom Brady's page, that is an unreliable source. That source from the research I did on it, was generated in word press. Additionally their information conflicts with reliable sources. Please stop editing using this source. I have reverted some of your edits, do not add the information back and make sure you read WP:RS to help identify what is a reliable source.-- Rockchalk 717 04:12, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

There is a photo that confirms Brady was measured at 6 feet 4⅜ inches at the NFL Combine: https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/361/423/c86a0285763628f4f09312b48bf7f0d2_crop_exact.jpg?w=1200&h=1200&q=75 (They measure in eights at the combine, so "6043" means ⅜ inches above 6'4) Whether he has had different height recordings is possible, in fact even likely, but it's not really up for the debate that he measured above 6 feet 4 inches at the combine. Also, I did not get his height from the source you deleted - it's also on nfldraftscout.com, which is a site used by many users to provide combine information on players pages. Please provide links to the supposed reliable sources. I am certainly willing to entertain fresh ideas, so why don't you provide some documentation and argumentation for the relative levels of reliability of these sources? I can't just take your word for it. User:Frauwa User talk:Frauwa, 27 September 2018

If you do not respond to this User:Rockchalk717, I will revert the changes. User:Frauwa
 * The reliable source is the NFL Draft Scout source linked on every player's page. Additionally, another page I discovered this on, is Patrick Mahomes, a recent draft pick. You changed his height to 6'2 1/8". His NFL.com profile lists at 6'2" with no fraction as does his NFL Draft Scout page. On Aaron Rodgers, I know for a fact you got the information from that source because the information is not on his NFL Draft Scout page. The Tom Brady height and height alone, I'll leave that alone, the rest of the info I will not because you did get it from that source. Most of the edits where you've updated the combine info, the information you added is not on the NFL Draft Scout page indicating you got it from elsewhere which again leads me to believe you are getting it from the unreliable source you put on Tom Brady's page.-- Rockchalk 717 04:47, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * No, you are wrong about Mahomes. On his NFL Draft Scout page he is listed at "6021" - the last digit refers to how many eights of an inch he is above 6 feet 2 inches. He is 6 feet 2⅛ inches. NFL.com never lists fractional heights for players, as far as I have seen. That does not mean that every player in the NFL was measured exactly x feet y inches - in fact fractional heights are the norm. You are absolutely right that all the hand size and arm length info I almost exclusively got from NFLcombineresults.com. To say it's a wholly unreliable source, though, is an incomplete statement at best and an ignorant statement at worst. The methodology behind the site is to collect combine data from many media outlets, especially Wonderlic scores and official 40-yd dash times, as these are hard to come by. It's intrinsic to their approach to compare and cross-reference their information across many outlets. It's therefore not only one source, but a meta-source extracting information from a wide variety of channels. The information on hand size, arm length, etc. is very interesting as these measurables play an underrated role in blocking, running, throwing and catching - in short, in nearly every aspect of the game. It's thus of great interest to collect this information. I do conceit, though, that it might not always be accurate. However, the same is true for NFL.com - they occasionally post the unoffical 40-yd dash time and even post the heights submitted by the college rather than the actual measurements from the combine. User:Frauwa
 * Dude are we even looking at the same page? This clearly states 6'2". The source you are using IS unreliable. It's not attached to any major news organization that is considered reliable. At the very bottom it even states "powered by WordPress" which means it's an independently run website which makes it fall under WP:UGC. Since the operator of the website is not identified, it has to be assumed they are not a known expert. Please seek additional assistance at WP:RSN if you continue to believe it's reliable. I've given you a policy stating why it's an unreliable source, I'm not necessarily saying the information is incorrect, but by Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source it is not one. And because of that, any information added from that source should not be included. Please ping me if you post to RSN so I can put in why it's not. If you don't know how to ping, please see Template:Reply to.-- Rockchalk 717 16:06, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * My apologies on Patrick Mahomes. You are right. I was looking in the wrong section. The edits I reverted where the height was adjusted, I have reverted back. I sincerely apologize for all the reverts on height because of me misreading the web page.-- Rockchalk 717 05:11, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It's all good. Point taken about the other site. Have a good one! User:Frauwa 1 October 2018 (CEST)