User talk:Frazzydee/Archive1

Hi, here's my talk page. Feel free to put anything you want here. If it's here, then you can probably assume that I've seen it (I will probably not archive my talk page for a while). It's my policy not to delete any messages here, but please don't vandalize this page. However, I will revert obvious vandalism that obstructs other people's view of my page. Thanks in advance for leaving a message! The reason for this policy is that I believe comments on this page- even if it's an attack against me- offer insight into what other user's think of me.

This page has never been archived. For your reading pleasure, I don't plan to archive it. Scratch that, this page is getting huge. I will blank every 100 comments, with a link to each archival copy (I want to preserve the diffs that I've often use as 'evidence').

I reserve the right to make slight modifications to people's comments, providing that it doesn't change the meaning. I promise not to change the body of people's text (I think that's just unethical), but I may sign it for them if they forgot (I'll put it in [brakets], and make a note of it somewhere). I also might move around stuff if people put it in the wrong section, and I might add titles to people's comments if they didn't do it themselves. Whatever I decide to change, it will be obvious that I changed it, and the user didn't put it there themselves. Signing under somebody else's name will not be tolerated. This is the only thing that I will delete on this page (besides stuff I mention below).

Please do not revert or modify any comments on this page- regardless of whether they are personal attacks, vandalism, etc. I will deal with vandalism on THIS page on a case-by-case basis. On the other hand, reverting vandalism on my userpage would be much appreciated, and I have no problems with that. My personal policy is not to delete anything unless it seriously impedes with how other people view this page (i.e. if you put a big black box over everybody's comments, I'll revert it). I am against deleting comments just because it makes me feel unspecial. I believe that messages on this page- inflammatory or not- give people potentially valuable insight on the type of contributor I am on Wikipedia.

This page was reverted once. I believe reverting it was completely reasonable, and I didn't see any reasonable way of preserving the message.

To everybody who posts here: Please sign your name with four tildes (like this: ~ ). It makes it a lot easier for everybody (especially myself) to find out who said what. If you have something against time stamps, then I have no problem if you use three tildes, just make sure you post to the bottom of the page, so that everything is in chronological order.

Sorry about redirecting your page. I know it's frustrating to create a page only to find it's a duplicate of something that already exists... maybe you'd like to check over the page it now redirects to to see if there's any info that could be merged in... Evercat 02:24, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Cleanup
When you clean up a page that is on Cleanup, please remove it from the cleanup page. Otherwise, the cleanup page will become even more massive than it already is. &mdash; Braaropolis | Talk 00:10, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Oops- sorry. Just thought that the article may need a bit more work- but you're right that I should've removed it.  I'll remember that for next time. -Frazzydee 01:44, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

FOX affiliates
There was no link for anything else, so I started List of Fox affiliates a while ago. Can you merge these? Mike H 17:54, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * done :) -Frazzydee 20:37, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Cleanup
Been deleting from the Cleanup page, generally. When I don't, it's because I believe that my cleaning isn't definitive and that others might still need to take a whack. CU has been getting truly massive lately, sure enough, though. Either people are being more dilligent in sending articles there, or worse writing is going on. As WP gets more popular, I think the latter is going to be the case. Geogre 01:48, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * The above message was a response to the following: "Hi Geogre. Thanks a lot for helping to fix articles on the cleanup page! However, it would be really great if you could delete the entries on the cleanup page- just to help keep it as small as possible. Just a friendly reminder, so please don't take it as an insult or anything :) -Frazzydee 23:10, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)"

Speedy deletions
Thanks for spotting them. One has been a repeating vandal and had others that needed to be cleared. - T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  19:45, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * The above message was a response to the following: "Hi. I just wanted to thank you for swiftly deleting both of my entries on the speedy deletions page :). It's good to know that there are admins patrolling -Frazzydee 19:35, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)"

Lol, the page looks great! Kudos.

msg:
The msg: tag for templates is deprecated; please use or similar instead, which works equally well. Thanks for your continued effort :) -- Grunt (talk) 23:45, 2004 Jun 30 (UTC)
 * Please note that I have modified the above user's post for readability purposes by adding the and  tags around {delete} -Frazzydee 00:01, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hamburger lady
The entire content was: "a song by throbbing gristle". Nothing links to it. It is a speedy deletion candidate #4 "very short pages with little or no definition or context". Maximus Rex 02:38, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Uncle Meat
Sorry about editing it so many times. This is my first time, and I was fixing a couple of cosmetic mistakes I made when creating the page. I didn't notice the "This is a minor edit" box until after I was done. --Nick Warino 02:42, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * The above message was a response to the following: "For the future, please don't edit the page when the message is there. I don't have time right now to merge my changes into yours, but if you want to do it, drop me a line ASAP on User_talk:Frazzydee, and I'll put my version into the article's talk page -Frazzydee 02:37, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)"

Wiktionary
I saw that you wanted to move Ethos to Wikitionary. The proper procedure is at Meta:Transwiki. Hope that helps. Best, [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 23:10, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

StumbleUpon
Hey frazzydee, I saw that you flagged StumbleUpon as a copyright infringement. I'm the original author of the text at stumbleupon.com/technology.html, so I give consent for wikipedia to use it. Once its back in place I'll get some other stumbleupon members to improve the description... [[User:gmc|gmc (talk)]] 13:40, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Update: Thanks Frazzydee, I've added something similar to the other talk page. 20:40, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

added genus
Hi, I'm new to WP. I've been adding in external links to many herbal genus with 100s more. Mostly links into eclectic herbals and some good herbal sources on the internet. My format is consistent for all the 500+ genus that I have. I just noticed that you put "cleanup" on the Alstonia genus I just added. Does this mean you wish to change the formatting for all my intended changes? Should I have put "substub" on the newly created page? I'm just learning. Mikcohen 04:43, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

User:Avenger
Thanks. I saw it and thought I'd reverted it, but I guess I didn't. Isomorphic 15:40, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Congratulations
Look over there >

-- Grunt (talk) 01:04, 2004 Aug 16 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi, thanks for letting me know I forgot to sign on Neutrality's request for admin. :) I logged in right after I went to the page, and that must have messed up my ~ . Thanks again, I wouldn't have known otherwise! Miss Puffskein 21:23, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks for fixing Casnewydd ,,, Trainspotter ,,,  21:59, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * You're welcome :). Just remember to avoid double-redirects for the future. Happy editing! -Frazzydee 22:27, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC) (from User:Trainspotter's talk page)

DANFS
Please note that the article posted on USS Sims (DD-409) was taken from which is the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships, and in the public domain. My bust for not putting the standard which would have explained this. User:Jinian

Ann Coulter
I didn't remove anything - I wrote a section on her life, in the "personal background" section, and moved that chunk on her studies down there, where it fitted better. It doesn't belong in the intrdouction - it's her background. I also added some other stuff. Please revert back to my last version


 * No worries, and thanks for reverting the revert - and well done for keeping an eye out for vandalism.

Thanks

 * Thanks for letting me know about my mistake in regards to copyright so I could fix the mistake. I put in one of those stubs for the time being. User:Spinboy


 * Sorry for putting the update on the wrong page, I didn't realize it was supposed to go somewhere else. Thanks for the information. User:Spinboy

Still more thanks
Yo, Frazz! Thanks for the nice note. You have my word...I'll be back soon and I'll check in often. Stay in touch, pal. - Lucky 6.9 05:32, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

George Maxwell Richards - George Richards
I believe that the original designation is more appropriate - he is generally known as 'Max Richards' - most Trindadians would not even recognise 'George Richards' as their Prez.
 * Above comment by User:Guettarda

Adminship
Frazzydee, as an admin I greatly appreciate you helping catch candidates for speedy deletion. I notice you also help out with possible copyright violations. I thank you for helping out, would you like to become an Admin yourself? I'd be more than happy to nominate you. -Flockmeal 06:08, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)


 * Your welcome, and thank you for accepting. I've nominated you, however you need to public accept nomination here. -Flockmeal 06:35, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)

Pencil sig.
Wasn't my idea to begin with. Steal away. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 06:12, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism?
I received a note from you warning me that someone had noticed some vandalism coming from my IP address.

I'm really confused about this, as I know I would never attempt to vandalize such a wonderful community project as Wikipedia.

I myself am an Anarcho-Communist, and consider these kinds of communal projects to be incredible displays of building commmunity-oriented living.

Please help, because I have no idea what's going on.

Sorry
It seems it didn't put my username in, Che y Marijuana.

Hi there. I've also got a message that I'm vandalizing Wikipedia. I would have no idea what this entails, but since the message I have created an account. Could it be that someone else is using my IP address? Thanks, Peter

Wait...
I use wikipedia almost on a daily basis, copying a few sentences to provide a definition for debate on a forum I go to. I always state that the quote is from Wikipedia and we all consider it an authority on issues of political and economic definitions. Could that be what is causing the problem?

If you would like an example of how I use it: What's a liberal?

Thanks
I can't seem to find the message that was sent to me, and I only created the account after the message was sent.

It was sent to my ip, and it was a warning for vandalism that included some talk about the ISP and how fast you guys catch vandals :P

Yeah, I don't know anymore than that, it didn't specify the pages in question or anything like that. I'm assuming you can get my IP address from this message to check it out further, if not I could e-mail you or ask you to e-mail me about it.

I suppose it could be someone else from this IP address, but it's highly unlikely, cause the two others who use this computer are a computer illiterate and an anti-intellectual. Hehe.

Anyways, no problem if it was just a mistake, I understand as I am an Admin at Che-Lives.com. Mistakes happen. I fit isn't however, I'm worried about what kind of crap IE is pulling when I'm not looking, hehe.

I read your page
I read your page Frazzydee (you said no one would!!) Thanks for formatting my post on the Pro4 - it was only my second post on wikipedia.

While I ma here I have a question - I have tried to look it up but all the legal stuff confuses me. I want to put a picture of the Pro4 in the article. I don't suppsoe I can downlaod the picture from the HPI website and then upload it for the article as this will go against the copyright. I suppose I could take a picture of my Pro4 but that wouldn't look as good.

I don't suppose I'll get an e-mail when you reply to this (if you do) so I suppsoe I'll have to keep checking back.

Adminship
Thank you very much for reporting your correct number of edits. It takes a very honest person, with much integrity, to report errors instead of just hiding them. I've considered and I will leave my support vote, anyway, as this doesn't really change much of anything, in my opinion. You're still a very good contributor and I feel you're quite deserving. Mike H 23:15, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)

That was a very honest thing to do. But of course I still support you - even more so, because I now know you are trustworthy. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 23:24, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No problem. I wouldn't change my vote because the overall quality of your edits is good (otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you in the first place ;)). Good luck! CryptoDerk 23:39, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)

I wouldn't change my vote either. What I vote on is quality of edits, not quantity. Thanks for your note and good luck with being an admin! ffirehorse 23:40, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I won't change my vote either. I agree that it's the quality that counts. Everything I wanted to say was said here already, so good luck. &mdash; Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;  (T&alpha;l&kappa;)''' 00:18, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I won't change my vote; you're a great editor. And about my talk page symbol, you can credit me if you want, I really don't care. Good day. -- Merovingian &#9997;  Talk  13:11, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)

redirect Berossos
Boy, you are fast! Fixed my syntax error within 1 minute, before I had the chance to correct myself! -- Tom Peters, 20040830T00:12 UTC

That's alright. You're a good candidate nonetheless, regardless of some number that doesn't really signify anything. 172 00:19, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[Please put back these pages]
(Title added by User:Frazzydee) Hello,

I am the owner of the following pages : http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~popentiu/, http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~popentiu/Fondation.html, http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~popentiu/elena.html http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~popentiu/elena.html,http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~popentiu/elena.html, http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~popentiu/Iuliaindex.htm

Please put back the following Pages: Florin POPENTIU VLADICESCU, Elena Teodorini Foundation, Fondation Elena Teodorini,

The Page you have edited, Florin POPENTIU VLADICESCU, Contain a lot of errors. If you do not agree please remove the edited page. Profesor Florin POPENTIU

Hello,

I am the owner of the following pages : http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~popentiu/, http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~popentiu/Fondation.html, http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~popentiu/elena.html http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~popentiu/elena.html,http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~popentiu/elena.html, http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~popentiu/Iuliaindex.htm

Please put back the following Pages: Florin POPENTIU VLADICESCU, Elena Teodorini Foundation, Fondation Elena Teodorini,

The Page you have edited, Florin POPENTIU VLADICESCU, Contain a lot of errors. If you do not agree please remove the edited page. Profesor Florin POPENTIU

Brasil Pic License
The pic is NOT copyrighted - the agency that took it is a small company that takes pictures at parties, but it does not copyright its pics. Nevertheless, it´s me in the pic - I could brag image rights anyway.

Anyway, to check for doubts, go to the agency´s website (in Portuguese). It´s http://www.olhaopassarinho.com.br. The company´s name is "Olha O Passarinho".


 * Under the Berne Convention, all works are copyrighted automatically, and I see a copyright tag at the bottom of their page. Not sure what pic is in question, but it's probably a copyright violation if it came from that site. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 03:55, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Still more thanks
Hey, congrats on the nomination! I've already expressed my very enthusiastic support. Also, thanks so much for the nice "welcome home." - Lucky 6.9 03:50, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Moving pages
thanks for the message... ? where is the 'move page button' I can't find it... I am sure i am being a idiot... cheers.

Don't worry found it... ?you have to be logged on to see it?

npov
You shouldn't put an npov header on an article unless you explain it on the Talk page. Besides, this is a fictional character -- he IS a failure. :) Once the article gets written properly, it will be better.  RickK 05:40, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

sorry dude
I don't quite know how to work this thing. Sorry if I accidently messed things up. I will be going now.

hmm
I've been falsely accused of vandalising Wikipedia at least twice. I've now registered a user account, in the hope of avoiding this. I don't want to be barred from editing - I might actually feel like making an edit one day! --Yammage 14:07, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

redstar2000
You're really the only person I know around here, so I'm coming to you with this. Recently, someone on the forum I admin at created a thread about an entry being made about one of our members. redstar2000. We were all surprised, but I took the liberty of expanding the paragraph entry into a full page after we found out it was on votes for deletion. Guy's in his 60's I believe. Anyways, what happens now that I've edited it after most of the votes? Could you read the article and tell me if it's shaping up in an appropriate way?

Also, it seems most of the people voting were under the false assumption he created it himself.

Could you read the page and comment? Thanks.--Che y Marijuana 09:15, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)


 * Unfortuantely, it's one of those cases where including him by name is not a viable option. I'm pretty sure he would be against that as it brings up issues of personality worship and the like. As for the rest of your comments, thank you for your help, I will try to expand the section on his history and past activities with SDS. Would you consider voting once I get that info up? It seems he passes the professor test and the "periodicals with a ciculation of 5000 or more". He has an audience of at least 7500, though granted it is an internet audience. I think what this comes down to is an issue of the medium of the internet not being taken seriously. It is, in my opinion, an important medium and contributions made through it should be recognized as well. There's plenty of real life trivia out there that deserves a spot in wikipedia, and if some people feel that someone who has contributed to their movement for a long time and continues to do so deserves one too, I don't see why not.--Che y Marijuana 21:31, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you.
Please see my comments at User talk:BushIsEvil. BushIsEvil2 23:38, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Above was moved from my user page.

Sysop
Congratulations! After getting 100% support on RfA, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the administrators' how-to guide helpful. Good luck. Angela. 14:17, Sep 5, 2004 (UTC)

Support
Thank you very much for your support during my recent run for adminship. You are a cool kid; we should talk more on IRC. Message me when you have a free moment. Mike H 03:27, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

Anarcho-capitalist critique of left-anarchism
I saw this page and really didn't think it was proper at all. According to the talk page, it's been around for a while with little change. The discussion seems to reach a general consensus that it isn't NPOV at all, though nothing is done about it. My personal opinion is it has no place on wikipedia to begin with. The article is POV fromt he ground up and no reworking it will change that.

I was wondering where I should go with such a concern, as I am new here. Could you check it out and tell me what your opinion is of what I should do?--Che y Marijuana 09:57, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC)

accepted nomination
Just wanted to let you know that I gladly accepted the nomination. Thanks for voting. [[User:Mike Storm|Mike &infin; Storm]] 01:56, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Deleted articles
When a Wikipedia article is deleted, why does RC view the changes as if the article never did exist?? 66.32.242.106 23:57, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks.
Thanks for reverting my edits to Karl Dönitz &mdash; somehow I accidentially blanked the page when I was wroking on it. Peace profound, [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 04:27, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Oops...
Frazz, it's Lucky 6.9. I was just passing through and tagged that placeholder for deletion. - 4.16.255.129 16:17, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Not Me
Hi there, I just received a message from you and since I don't have much clue of how Wikipedia works, do not know how to send a message back. Hence, this entry. It is not that important anyway: I'm just not the guy you meant to shout at, just someone else who happened to use his/her IP after him/her. Of course you can't know that and I appreciate your good intentions.

[Moved from top]
Suck my balls ass wipe! 195.144.131.2 09:32, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC) Viva la Bush's grandmere et j'adore ta mere!!! Take that shit brains

[-195.144.131.2]

Mistaken identity?
"The page that you created (previously located at Biag ni Lam-ang) has been deleted. If you were trying to perform a test, it worked. However, for the future, it would be appreciated if you would perform all tests at Wikipedia:Sandbox."

Er, I didn't create any such. I guess some IPs are like that... --66.191.69.132 01:14, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Jumping the gun
Hi, I've noticed a few times today you've edited image page captions to change around their copywrite status (i.e. adding an {unknown} to one and moving the {PD-USGov} on mine. Which is actually a very good thing, lord knows there are plenty of poorly formatted image pages. However you've done this within a minute of the image being uploaded, which means that if the user who uploaded it actually was editing the image page (as the Upload Image page instructs them to) after uploading it, then they will get an annoying edit conflict when they try and save it. It would be more helpful if you would wait at least 5 min. or so before editing newly uploaded images, it's rather annoying to finish writing out a long caption only to find that someone assumed you weren't going to even write anything. Not the end of the world, but just a tip.. --Fastfission 07:04, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * It's not a big deal, but I had just noticed that you did something like it twice and I thought I would leave a little note. Of course the sentiment is *completely* appreciated, clarifying image source status is an extremely important job in my opinion for a copyleft publication. --Fastfission 23:47, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Query on deciding the title of a page
i intend to create a 2004 movie titled "Vozvrashcheniye". English title: "The Return". it's a Russian movie and it's very popular. should i name the page as of the Russian title or the English title? 'cause i understand that the Russian title is hard to pronounce. here's the link [] thank you. ''Edited:I decide to create the page using its Russian title. hope u guys don't mind.'' [-*drew 08:42, 17 Sep 2004 UTC (edited 10:00, 17 Sep 2004 UTC)]


 * Thanks for your reply. When i check the disambiguation page, i realised there is already a page for that movie The Return (movie). Should i continue with my created page Vozvrashcheniye? --*drew 12:44, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * But the two are the same movies, maybe we should delete the page of The Return (movie)? --*drew 01:14, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help :) --*drew 07:16, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

ATTENTION PLEASE CHANGE PAGE!
On the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_the_Lights_Out there is a tracklisting for the upcoming NIRVANA box set. I had gone to that page earlier this day and was screwing around and edited the page. I did not know what I was doing!

I repeat, this tracklisting is FAKE. Could someone please, please some editor of the page take that tracklisting off before it gets anymore exposure. People will believe it to be true and it coud cause some big problems.

I did not mean to cause any harm. Like I said I was screwing around editing the page, not "vanadalising" as some have said, and I put on there a dream tracklisting. This is FAKE. I soon after deleted what I had typed, and then somehow someone reverted the page back to that.

The page is now protected, so could you please take the tracklisting off. I don't want people to get the wrong idea. I am very sorry about all of this, as I said, i was not aware of what I was doing.

[-128.119.146.183]


 * On the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_the_Lights_Out there is a tracklisting for the upcoming NIRVANA box set. I had gone to that page earlier this day and was screwing around and edited the page. I did not know what I was doing! This is not real. I quickly changed the page, however someone later on protected it, with that WRONG information. Please change it before anyone gets ahold of it and problems happen. This needs to be take off very soon! I also posted below. Please help.
 * [-128.119.146.183]


 * This regards the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_the_Lights_Out. I came across that article from a link from a Nirvana message baord. I at the time had never been to Wikipedia and did not know what this site was. My dillema is this: This might sound really strange and believe me I've learned my lesson: The tracklisting for the upcoming Nirvana boxset is under lock and key. It has not been released yet at all. Not even one song is known on the listing. I had edited the page just screwing around with test data, because I had never used this site before. I had made a FAKE list of songs to test editing the page.
 * [-128.119.146.183]

Jesus
What happened to the original Jesus article that this vandal named Rantero keeps moving?? 66.245.124.176 16:25, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi, Frazzydee. Rantero is getting out of control. He's going to screw up the page histories - badly. Should we block him? [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 16:27, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * OK. This gets me very stressed. What an ass. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 16:28, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * I think Jesus Christ is not primary for Jesus. I think it's primary for ONLY Christians. Added to this, this article is NOT neutrality. It must be changed. SeeTalk:Jesus.Rantaro 16:35, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[Moved from top]
Hi, I got a message that I vandalized the wikipedia. I just found out how to edit pages today, so how could I vandalize them?

[-66.42.121.246]
 * ''Note: This message was moved from the top of this page. See  for evidence that I'm not lying about who wrote it and what they wrote.

Australian frigate article deletion
I created the articles in question. They had incorrect nomenclature of the hull numbers according to the Royal Australian Navy website, so I moved the articles and am requesting a delete for the redirects that were created as a result. -Joseph (Talk) 04:14, 2004 Oct 26 (UTC)

sorry.
i acidently hit edit thinking it was MORE.. i then hit back to get out of it..

Re: Question about Preliminary Deletion
Thanks for your query. In the case you mentioned, then the article would be deleted, because if there's more than 90% delete votes, then there's a clear consensus for delete &mdash; note that this is even higher than the standard for consensus we use to elect admins, which is 80%. If there's a lack of a clear-cut consensus, then the article goes to VFD. Hope this cleared the matter up. (btw, I will be reposting your message and my reply on Wikipedia talk:Preliminary Deletion). Johnleemk | Talk 06:38, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Klinghoffer deletion
I assembled this information about a year ago, and had forgotten that I had made use of the web pages you list. Thanks for calling my attention to this. However, I think this opera has such impact that it deserves some kind of an entry. Good wishes....Roy Lehrle

Fact and reference check
I'll post here because its important, I really do not know the criteria of where to post when replying to the message :).

I think you are correct in your statement that it is time to move forward, and that once the developers see that it is necessary they will implement it. I think before having a vote on which article to work on, we should have a vote on the method/format we will use to fact check articles.

I myself like a foot note system in which the foot notes links to the statement, with multiple reference underneath. This allows for 1 foot note per statment, instead of multiple foot notes12345, each linking to a reference.

I will help set up the different contenders and we can have a vote on which method/format we will use :o). --ShaunMacPherson 23:06, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Hello, I have put up the proposal page for the fact project. I am not sure if people are able to see it, it would be good to try and have it as a table top right.  I tried (look at the history :]) to make into a table top right but couldn't.


 * Please tell me if there are any changes we should make in our proposal voting coming up. --ShaunMacPherson 10:00, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Not happy Frazzydee (if that is your real name)
Why do I keep getting accused of vandalism, the IP addresses quoted are not mine. I have not and would not vandalise wikipedia. I only just stumbled upon wikipedia about a week ago but I think it?s the greatest resource available on the weeb. I don?t want to get blocked, but I couldn?t be bothered logging in so; why do I keep getting these frign messages

Vandal message
I left a message on a ip adress that said i vandlism was coming from this adress. I dont appertice the recklessness in which you look at vandlism histoy. Yes this IP has had vandlism coming from it before but it no longer has (unless there is another person using my IP). You are more then willing to look at my user history and see my contribs. infact i recently discoverd some posting that were copyright volations. Please look a litter deepper before sending such a mean message 578 01:25, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

the ip adress that the message was sent to was 152.163.100.69 mine is 24.250.217.87 578 01:26, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sorry...about that. i understand thanks for clearing up. 578 01:31, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Quick edit...
The "Recent Changes" link on your page was broken, there was no space in it and it confused me for about five minutes. Sorry to be nitpicky, but I had an urge to edit it...

WOW!
It seems your really happy to throw out "vandalism" messages. I got the same, as for your message you left to me it seemed very immature and disrespectful. ALSO, did you ever think that not EVERYONE has a static ip. Your accusations are obsurd, I get the same ip issued from my network about once every ten to fifteen times on a network where we all use Wikipedia as a common reference. As for vandalism, this is the first time I visit your user page and definately the last. [-64.222.244.190]

Boilerplate protection
I removed it. You're continuing what I believe is a bad precedent set by Eloquence. Your pages are short and there is no reason why you can't watchlist them and scan through them before using them, as other users do.

uc 21:41, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

meetups
I think we should talk about local outreach, how to broaden the breadth of interests of our editors... also WP:USCOTW and good libraries and places to see around the city :-)  +sj +  12:02, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ralph 'Sonny' Barger
new to CSD and VFD, so I prob was too harsh in labeling CSD. Put up for vote in VFD though, to let those more experienced than me figure it out. thanks for checking up on this though. Niceguyjoey 01:43, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)


 * since i'm new and you're helpful, i'd like to run this stuff by you - it all looks like personal research/advertising of a very new subject matter : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=207.202.238.112

how should i approach getting this all deleted as original research?

08 Candidate
Like others here have said you appear to be very trigger-happy in crying vandalism. There were some parts of the page I edited that were inaccurate and I was correcting them. Please use greater discretion in the future. [-4.17.158.10]

Amanda McKittrick Ros
She was famous for being a bad writer, i.e., it is generally thought that her works are only worth reading for their humour value as being extremely poorly written. Please take thirty seconds to click on the external links I provided to see what I mean. It is an objective fact that this is the consensus POV. If you can express this better in the article, please do. Blotwell 02:53, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

i, too, did not vandalize "with the lights out"
honestly, i have no clue how my ip adress could have lied about this. [-Jackie noone 15:33, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)jackie noone. i also assume i did not do this correctly. i'm a dunce.] [see ]

Farc
Farc is a good name :). Good work on the votes and getting people interested, do what ever you need to do to help get fact and referencing happening on Wikipedia.  I also like article of the week or 1/2 month :). Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians is a good site with lots of votes and action that we can use as an example for our project.

I am not sure what proposal 3 is, is it like #2 but a footnote at the end of each sentence? That maybe a good idea, and is simpler. Someone wants a proposal 4, something about comments only or something (they voted). I think hiding footnotes should be something that will be put in future versions, but we dont have to worry about that now. --ShaunMacPherson 18:45, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * "Yup, that's what proposal 3 is. It has its up-sides and down-sides. On the positive side, it's much simpler, but on the negative side, it may be a bit confusing. How about a proposal 4 where there's one footnote per fact, but you're allowed multiple references per footnote? This may be slightly contraversial, but maybe the voting section should be wiped, and all users who voted should be sent messages about this...my reasoning is that new proposals have been submitted, users voted before it officially began, and one user (Fred Bauder) seems to have voted twice :S. -Frazzydee|&#9997; 18:59, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)"
 * I dunno, I think all of the versions are pretty much the same. I think the problem is people are losing interest since we waited too long, I say we just get the vote for #2 to move a head.  We'll just do 'important' (i.e. almost everyone knows spiders have 8 legs, so that isnt as important as other facts to be checked :) ) facts at first until smart footnotes are programed in.  If worse comes to worse we'll just do big footnotes with lots of text, and quote the right areas, not necessarily 1 per fact. Lets get #2 going unless someone indicates a large flaw with it, then when it win's we'll remind everyone that #2 is temporary until smart footnotes occur or something better comes along --ShaunMacPherson 04:01, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * "I definately agree that we need to move ahead. I am just as tired as you must be with this project remaining at a stand-still. However, I still think that we should give people some time to vote. Maybe make the deadline for voting soon- how does the 14th (1 week) sound to you? -Frazzydee|&#9997; 04:07, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)"
 * I didn't know you were up now ;). One week sounds good, I've also contacted all the members so they have little excuse not to know what is going on if they choose not to vote.  Perhaps we should have a votes/nominations page for article of the week/(1/2)week/month?  So much is going on with our page we might need to make subpages.  Also a list of pages that need footnote formatting, and a list of pages that need reference check.  Also I guess a list of online references people can use to start reference checking... hmmm lots to do, do we have a to do list there we should put this up hehe. --ShaunMacPherson 04:12, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Farc 2
"BTW, I had an admittedly stupid idea of not using proper referencing style, and simply linking directly to the article. But this gave me an epiphany...The only reason people hate referencing is because it's so hard to do. Heck, even I found myself referencing incorrectly a few minutes ago, and I left it. It's not because I'm irresponsible, it's because I'm lazy. I believe that it would be incredibly beneficial for us to have a web-based thingy (script? applet?) where all you need to do is type in the URL, name of resource (i.e. "New York Times"), and (optinonally) date modified, and it would automagically fill in the rest, and put everything together. It doesn't sound like it would be too difficult for somebody with experience doing this kind of stuff. Maybe we should contact James Day or Tim Starling and start begging? I'm not sure what you think of this, but don't feel that the footnotes feature request is getting that much support- and I agree with some of their arguments- people will be tempted to put all sorts of stuff there (tables, extra information, etc.), and it'll get messy. So what do you say about this- it'll mainly be used by members of the project, but of course, anybody can use it. -Frazzydee|&#9997; 04:13, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)"
 * If you know James Day or Tim Starling that is good if you could ask them. I've talked with Tim Starling, Timwi, and Eloquence so they know about this project and they are, seemingly, not that interested in helping.
 * A script that would autoformat seems like a good idea, esp. if its a footnote at the end of each sentence. Automatic footnotes are suppose to do this, when you < > it will automatically quote it at the bottom for easy footnotes, and autonumber it as well.  They've yet to put it in, I think because they do not know what we are talking about.  Maybe we need to do a paper on exactly what we mean, in PDF?  We can work on the paper together here on Wikipedia in a subsection of our project.--ShaunMacPherson 04:26, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I forgot, do you know what scripts they use to do things to the pages, like bot scripts? If you could tell me, perhaps we can learn how to make a script ourselves.  I am good at MIRC scripting which seems similiar, and I am trying to learn Java, I know Visual Basic.--ShaunMacPherson 04:28, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Also this is off topic for this section, but I think I am going to format our page around so it looks better. A person already formatted it, but its getting so big now that we'll need some changes, and I know a good project to use as a template.--ShaunMacPherson 04:26, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

vandalism
i got a message sayin i vandalised something. I dont know what this means or what my ip address is. i have never tried to change anything on this website [-129.2.157.83]

wrong ip i just got here and i had a messege from u???
wrong ip i just got here and i had a messege from u why did i get it? 209.158.247.211 12:24, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Me neither. I for some reason was targeted for this too. I did nothing. 213.79.159.164 07:08, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Please note
I recieved a message from you about testing something, please consider that you may have sent a message to a proxy IP, considering that my normal IP adress does not begin with 205, and I recieved the message as if it were adressed to me. [-24.214.14.35]

Eeek.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/10/arts/10wiki.html


 * Soon, though, another administrator, known as Frazzydee, stepped in and unlocked the Bush entry, promising, "I'll guard this page like a hawk."

Eeek. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 05:32, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Your fifteen minutes of fame starts now. ;-) -- ChrisO 12:46, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism
OK, that's fair enough. I think he did vandalise afterwards, however if it happens again onto the blocklist he goes! - Ta bu shi da yu 03:34, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Cool. I've made a note on his page I agree with you and reiterated your comments. Hey, archive your page! - Ta bu shi da yu 03:44, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Well... I had to first load this gigantic page, scroll all the way down to the section and click on Edit to respond to you :P I hate blocking users also, btw. In this case, however, check out the previous IP address who made exactly the same edits as that other address. I figured that major disruption was happening and I didn't want to lock the page. So I blocked the anonymous vandals for 24 hours. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:53, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Internet Haganah
Good work on adding/expanding the article. I'm still not convinced of the original contributor's good faith, though: a) First edit as a contributor was to start an article with a link to a commercial website as sole content (and under a misleading article title, to boot). b) Original contributor deleted the speedy deletion tag that I put there. Is the company notable, though? It doesn't get that many hits, and a lot of them seems to be from internet directories and suchlike? Elf-friend 16:11, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

New York Times article
You may have heard about it; if you haven't, it's at the following link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/10/arts/10wiki.html

If registration is a problem, the quote is 'Soon, though, another administrator, known as Frazzydee, stepped in and unlocked the Bush entry, promising, "I'll guard this page like a hawk."', - you're the only person mentioned by username in the entire article. Congrats! Yelyos 01:22, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

I see it's mentioned above - disregard this then :) Yelyos 01:52, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

Well
I feel bad for you. You're going to spend your whole life committed to making sure this website is protected! Yay! All the work you've done trying to make sure you can get all the Speedy Deletions you can. I just have to say all your actions are feckless. feckless feckless feckless[...]feckless feckless [-24.205.233.240]
 * The above comment was truncated, as per my policy stating that I won't "delete anything unless it seriously impedes with how other people view this page". See  for original message and  for proof that the signature was not forged. -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee|&#9997;]] 02:34, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

yelyos
I just wanted you to know that iam leaving Wikipedia. I found a real job and feel that editing Wikepedia could be the biggest waste of time in the world. I wish you would stop editing, you are still young and have some time left before you becoming a duesch bag. [-24.205.233.240]

On second thought:
You guys have been real friendly. Thanks for putting up with my shenanigans. I'm only doing it for attention. One day I hope to be an editor. I'd have so much power and status, my friends would finally think I'm cool. How can I be just like you? -[ 24.205.233.240]

Herbert Wechsler
Yes, the original "Herbert Wechsler" page infringes original author's copyright. Please remove it and replace w/ the temporary stub that has been created. Sorry about that.

Adminship
I'm flattered that you might think I could be an admin, but I don't think I'll accept at the moment. Maybe in a couple of months. You see, I, personally, wouldn't support the adminship of someone who'd been here less than five months, so I couldn't justify having others vote for me. No offense. So anyway, raincheck. - Vague | Rant 04:33, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

Hacking?
Messages accusing me of hacking, about test articles, and other random things have been showing up in this 'You have new messages' box. I've never seen this before, and I'm not even a registered user. I don't even use Wikipedia that often. What's up with this? Is my IP being hijacked or some other such thing?

205.188.116.68 06:06, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC) Chris

Bots
anthony &#35686;&#21578; 01:55, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) Don't run bots without permission
 * 2) Don't change to

Ugh. Sorry about the accusation. That's some nice editing (but I looked at it, and you even made a typo one time, so you weren't running a bot!

The biggest problem with using subst is it makes it harder to find VFD tags which were accidently left on an article. More than half of the changes you made were to articles not even listed on VFD. It also violates Avoid self-references. I tend to think that longstanding policy overrides what one person decided to write in the VFD instructions. anthony &#35686;&#21578; 04:20, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

er. There's been a mistake.
I was viewing Wikipedia and had just gotten to a page on Timothy McVeigh when a long orange bar appeared that I said I had a message. I clicked on its link and arrived at a page that warned me not to vandalize Wikipedia or else get blocked from it. I wasn't vandalizing! I've never even edited a page before! This is my first time. I'd really like to continue using Wikipedia. Where would I get all the random, interesting, useful information that keeps me amused?

I don't know how to let you know which IP address - mine - is innocent. I'm assuming there's some way to tell from my posting now? The page that said I'd been vandalizing included "User TAlk: 152.163.100.69" and I've noticed some people here have numbers like that posted. Does it have anything to do with identification?

Thanks
hey, thanks for the help and clarification on how to use wikipedia's editing. [-Phil179]

[[Image:RUP Workflows.gif]]
I think images have to go through images for deletion. Is there a reason you just didn't reupload the file? -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee|&#9997;]] 02:02, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Yep, I tried doing that, but there seemed to be a bug in the software. The new image was there, but with the old image's height and width. It didn't look OK. Speedy deletion is allowed for "an image which is a redundant (all bits the same or scaled-down) copy of something else". GeorgeStepanek 02:06, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh, it is? Somehow it looked a bit different to me...I'll delete it for you. -Frazzydee|&#9997; 02:10, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I adjusted the borders of the image a bit, so that it would display correctly in a frame, is all. Thanks! GeorgeStepanek 02:14, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[Moved from user page]

 * In my opinion - you should WELCOME President Bush to Canada and be thankful that the US and Canada have such a co-operative relationship.

[-Howard scott]
 * And if you can assist me to put my info into the right place - I will almost forgive your rudeness to President Bush.

Well - maybe I'm getting to the right space - finally. I would appreciate you moving my info to the correct space - and give you permission to do it. (Thanks also for the advice re where to post questions) - Cheers

Can you correct the spelling on my name - change it to Howard Scott. Thanks.

No - I'll stick with the mis-spelling. Can't wait a month or two. Thanks for the help mate - didn't intend to interupt your day. And maybe spot you in the errors department - some time in the future. Just watch your step in Canada - and be polite to President Bush - he's a great bloke. Cheers.

I don't get it - now there is a notice on my page - User Howard scott - for it to be deleted. Why?

Ah - ha. But why would anyone want to delete my User page? I don't understand that.Cheers.

Fact Reference Check
Thank you for keeping me updated on the project, you are doing an excellent job :). My interest in Wikipedia has bee waning, especially since the developers do not seem interested in supporting our project.

I'll probably edit it a bit, but I think elections should be held for a manager and I think you should run, I'll vote for you. Maybe a term of 6 months? Other projects seem to have 'managers' i'm not sure how useful they are, but someone needs to take charge as you have so perhaps it is not needed as you are doing well. --ShaunMacPherson 09:38, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

new york
i got 100 guns a hundred clips

nigga, i'm from new york new york ja rule ft. fat joe and jadakiss - new york [-65.13.148.223]

how you like me now
how u like that, huh bitch, [-65.13.148.223]

fuck you
here's my lil note to post - fuck you. ha [-65.13.148.223]


 * Please note: the above three messages were moved from the top of this page.

Bimbo
I agree it is not a speedy now. If you will check the article history, you will note that when I tagged it, it was a valid candidate. I just did not want you to get the wrong idea about me and speedy deletion. Indrian 01:15, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:


 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

RFC pages on VfD
Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:40, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

152.163.100.14 00:02, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)joe 152.163.100.14 00:02, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC) hello i have been recieving many messages about how I am vandalizing pages but i really havent I dont know why im getting this and im not very good with computers so i really have no idea why it says tht i am vandalizing.

The Death of Klinghoffer
Some time ago you tagged The Death of Klinghoffer as a copyvio, and said that "not the entire article is a copyvio, just some parts". However, I have done some careful examination (which can be seen at User:Rbrwr/sandbox5) and I don't believe that there is anything that can be usefully salvaged. I'd appreciate it if you would take another look and comment at Copyright problems. Thanks. --rbrwr&plusmn; 12:05, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Fact and Reference Check :D
Hi! I see lots of new things have been discussed with Fark including a citation resource area Cite_sources! Good work, I knew I wasn't up to coordinating that project so I am glad I left it in others' hands since it is going smoothly now it seems. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help, just tell me what to do :).--ShaunMacPherson 02:31, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Leupung
I didn't see whatever User:218.111.190.143 had @ Leupung, but what's there now is a valid stub... Davenbelle 23:12, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)

re: -- I saw that someone had so tagged the Meulaboh article and have done the same on a few other pages I created about other towns on the coast of Aceh with hopes that it would draw more editors. It doesn't seem to be a much used tag. I'll look and see if there are guidelines about its usage and may remove them. Davenbelle 01:16, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

History of Chile
I'm wondering about that link you added to http://www.nationbynation.com/Chile/History2.html. It doesn't look like a particularly valuable site, and it is full of advertising and blinky graphics. I won't delete it against your wishes, but do you really think the material is good enough to merit the junk on the site? I know when I hit a page that looks like that, I just stop reading. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:59, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)