User talk:Freavene

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 * I'm giving a warning for anyone to not lose time there Freavene (talk) 21:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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List of lesbian characters in television
Regarding your edit on 05:25, 8 June 2024: please take the time to learn how to edit this table before adding a character. (1) you did not use the wikimarkup row format of the table; (2) you did not add character in alphabetical order; (3) you re-used ( "" ) a source that is for a Yellowjackets character -- which is not a source about the Deadloch character. You must follow the hidden text instructions that appear when the edit screen is opened: the list is alphabetical by surname; and reliable sources that verify the individual character is lesbian must be included (the editor that adds a character is responsible for providing sources, see WP:BURDEN). Pyxis Solitary  (yak yak). Ol' homo. 06:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, for the source I do not know why it was the wrong one, this is what I had : https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/07/deadloch-tv-review Freavene (talk) 22:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

In short, characters cannot be included in this list if the sources used do not verify the lesbian identity. Which is why you need to read the sources you want to use — and if they only describe characters as "queer" they are also not acceptable sources (because "queer" is non-specific and can be interpreted to mean something else besides lesbian (e.g. bisexual, pansexual, etc.). Also, you're using Visual Editor and it is problematic for editing tables because it does not recognize their formatting. Read: WP:VELIM. When you edit a table with VE you have to go back into it in the Source screen and fix the problems it caused in the wiki markup. Pyxis Solitary   (yak yak) . Ol' homo. 09:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I had to edit your addition of Deadloch characters. One of the hidden instructions for editing the list that appears when you open the edit screen states: Reliable sources supporting the addition of characters to this list must be included per WP:VERIFY. Sources *must* identify characters as "lesbian" (or "gay", or "homosexual"). Inclusion of sources is mandatory – per WP:OR and WP:PROVEIT. The Talk page notice states: This list is only for characters specifically identified as lesbian. Characters must be supported with published reliable sources that confirm the identity. Please read "user-generated content" for sources that are not acceptable. Characters that do not have reliable sources cannot be included in the list.
 * @Pyxis Solitary it does verify the lesbian identity Freavene (talk) 20:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

In the descriptions of Dulcie and Cath it says: "Dulcie embodies the stereotypical detective that has a disgruntled girlfriend who is constantly annoyed about Dulcie working too much and also has misgivings about Dulcie's fidelity" — and — "the show even fleshes out the character of the girlfriend, Cath". Without specifying that they are "lesbian" (or gay, or homosexual) they can be two bisexual females in a same-sex relationship. Sources have to explicitly say the word lesbian (or gay, or homosexual) when describing the character(s). Collider does say this about Eddie: "...in a town filled with homosexual couples, she fits the stereotypical mold of a homosexual woman but falls in love with a man." Pyxis Solitary  (yak yak). Ol' homo. 10:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * it does verify the lesbian identity – no, it doesn't. Nowhere in the Collider source you used does the word lesbian or gay appear.
 * if the word has to be said explicitly, half of the entries have to be removed Freavene (talk) 04:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * and why are you speaking about Eddie ??????? Freavene (talk) 04:05, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

(2) If sources don't confirm the identity of a character as being lesbian ... then the character cannot be included in the list. If any characters in the list are unconfirmed, then they have to be deleted. (Many editors make an effort to substitute sources that fail verification with better sources.) (3) Why did I mention Eddie? Because describing the character seen onscreen is the ONLY instance in the Collider source where the word homosexual appears in relation to a character -- and she's not even that. I see in your public log that you created your account on 18 May 2024 — so I'm going to assume that you are not aware of the history of this list. This list (as well as the gay, bisexual, and transgender lists) was created in February 2021 as a split from "List of LGBT characters in television and radio" because that list (which was created in 2005) had grown too large in size. However, too many of the characters identified as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender did not have sources for them and consequently were going to be deleted. Editors who cared about the importance of LGBT characters in television dedicated themselves to saving the characters in each split list by finding sources for them. Any editor at any given time can delete characters from a list if they check sources and the sources don't support the identity of those characters. Which is why it is important for the integrity and survival of this list to have sources that specify the lesbian identity. Pyxis Solitary  (yak yak). Ol' homo. 13:09, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * (1) Sources need to say that a character is lesbian (and as I explained above, the terms gay or homosexual are acceptable). The list must comply with WP:VERIFY – ""
 * I did not add Eddie, it's pointless talking about her. I'mma check source by source and remove half of it since there isn't the word "lesbian". Freavene (talk) 21:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * it's pointless talking about her. This is a disrespectful response after I explained why I mentioned her — and have taken the time to patiently explain to you the reason why accurate sources are important. You can be an editor who is here to improve Wikipedia, or to harm it. The editing history you want to create for yourself is entirely your decision. Pyxis Solitary   (yak yak) . Ol' homo. 00:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've never added Eddie, yet you are accusing me of not being able to read when you're inventing sentences. We don"t care about Eddie, I added DULCIE AND CATH, NOT EDDIE Freavene (talk) 22:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)