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July 2014
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 * Please clarify. What page are you talking about? User:Fred Bauder Talk 13:26, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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bee in your bonnet
you are certainly worked up over Ezetimibe‎ and the new trial results. what's up? Jytdog (talk) 13:23, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Just a cameo appearance. I'll get bored and give up before long… User:Fred Bauder Talk 14:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * :( bored is not good. just wondering why this matters to you. happy to keep talking the various fora. Jytdog (talk) 15:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Old-timer needed
Would you please visit Wikipedia talk:Administrators and participate in a discussion there? I've made a proposal to grant administrative rights to any non-administrator who's elected to Arbcom, and arbitrator Newyorkbrad has asked how such a situation was handled in the early days of Arbcom, when non-admins were on the committee. Your memory would be invaluable in the "Non-administrator arbitrators" section. Nyttend (talk) 01:00, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

FYI
I noticed your activity at Radiopathy's talk page, and I thought you should see this. Rationalobserver (talk) 15:50, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. User:Fred Bauder Talk 16:04, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Happy New Year Fred Bauder!


Happy New Year! Fred Bauder, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:05, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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its a pleasure having you at ebola/west africa--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:06, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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Mercury mining in California
Fred, I saw your additions to the New Almaden article today, and I thought you might be interested in teaming up to flesh out a new article idea that has been rattling around in my brain for a few years. The topic would be mercury mining in California, with an emphasis on how the 19th century gold rush was sustained by mercury taken mainly from New Almaden but also other mines in California, and how this large amount of mercury broke the Rothschild's monopoly. Of course the poisonous results of mercury mining and its use in gold mining would be described. Binksternet (talk) 19:27, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * In late 2012 I started to list sources and get an idea about the scope. See User:Binksternet/Mercury. Let me know if this is the kind of topic that interests you. Binksternet (talk) 19:38, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

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Communpedia
Hello, are you familiar with the issue that it's not possible to register new accounts on communpedia?

"on, please select just the cat photos in the box below:" yet no cat photos are shown. It seems this has been an issue for a long time. Perhaps you could bring it to the attention of the relevant staff.TimIsTimisTimIsTim (talk) 23:26, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'lll give it a try User:Fred Bauder Talk 07:39, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * We are working on it,I'll let you know when it's fixed --XXPowerMexicoXx (talk) 23:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

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Just to let you know
I made a small correction (date) and removed one of the refs. Ottawahitech (talk) 19:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

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Do you have time to help?
When I saw the way Ellen Pao and her court case were split up I was really surprised that it  was done by a simple cut&paste, so I posted this at the Help Desk and it appears that there is actually a way to split an article together with its revision history. In fact this is the way it should be done, according to Copying within Wikipedia, I think.

Anyway, it looks like trying to fix the situation will be time consuming, something I am very short of, so I was just wondering if you can lend a hand,

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Notice
In essence you are over-ruling arbcom sanctions and it's now being used as an excuse to leave a blocked sock unblocked. This can be grounds grounds for arbcom action against you. Please rectify the matter. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:33, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I have been discussing the matter on the functionaries list with the arbitrators. User:Fred Bauder Talk 17:51, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * See [] Hell in a Bucket (talk) 18:06, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

ARBCOM statement
Just lurking around, hopefully you don't mind, but this has to be the most apt, concise, and well-written ARBCOM statements I've seen since I've started editing here.--WaltCip (talk) 20:31, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration case request declined
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Thank you, but...
Thank you for your positive encouragement, but given LB's vindictiveness and "tit for tat" methods, that's an RfA I'd strenuously vote against. This has User tested ability of many to "take the high road", including Admins. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 09:38, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

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Armenia genocide - Russian exoerience
Thank you for your posts on my Talk page. I replied briefly there. The issue is the Russian experience during the Genocide. In the years 1918-1922, tens of thousands, possibly hundred of thousands of Russian Armenians were massacred in the Caucasus. It is very much a part of the Genocide as you can check here from the National Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Armenia. It is an extraordinary fact that their experience has never been recorded in the article. When I supplied an impeccably cited edit on their experience Massacres after Word War I, it was immediately reverted WP:NOCONSENSUS.

Obviously I have to take seriously your Committee's strictures. Personally I think the complaints of the editor involved are trivial, but faced with the real possibility that I can't get these edits into the article obviously I must comply. As far as possible I shall ignore him, and otherwise remain entirely neutral in my dealing with him.

I trust you will assist me in getting the Russian experience recorded in the article. The fact is there is no dissent about the details. Just a determimnation it seems to leave their experience out of the article. c1cada (talk) 18:30, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

ANI
I'm curious, are you an admin? Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:20, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, User:Fred Bauder Talk 19:35, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This user received more than just one warning regarding the insults, and he continued to do so. And even after a report at ANI, and the subsequent formal warnings that followed, the user says: As far as possible I shall ignore him, and otherwise remain entirely neutral in my dealing with him. How is there no appropriate action not taken in this regard? Really, how many warnings is it going to take for this user to not insult me publicly? Might I also add that the user hasn't even removed those personal attacks from the talk page. Everyone who visits that talk page is going to see all that libelous remarks about me. Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:50, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The warning he received this time is very serious. The talk page will soon be automatically archived. User:Fred Bauder Talk 21:26, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

AE
Please see Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. At 18:02 on 25 April you issued a DS alert to this editor. I've been looking at the diffs in the AE complaint and observe that a number of them were after the alert. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 01:51, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

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What happened to Wikinfo?
Hi Fred. Just a quick question — I thought Wikinfo was supposed to have migrated to Wikia, but I cannot find it there. What happened? I hope it hasn't gone under; much as I love Wikipedia, I appreciated the alternative viewpoints that Wikinfo made available. Please let me know! Thanks. David Cannon (talk) 12:46, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * there is a stub there, but Wikinfo is at http://wikinfo.org/w/index.php/Main_Page User:Fred Bauder Talk 13:40, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know! David Cannon (talk) 02:30, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

June 2015
Welcome to Wikipedia. At least one of your recent edits, such as the edit you made to H-1B visa, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at the welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make some test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfeise (talk • contribs) 16:55, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

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Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. I am glad to see that you are discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as H-1B visa are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic or unrelated topics. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. Thank you. jfeise (talk) 19:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Due to constant removal of edits it was impossible to edit the article. Sorry. User:Fred Bauder Talk 19:19, 5 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The normal way is to seek consensus, and not just post the same biased stuff on the talk page. A Wikipedia Admin should know that. jfeise (talk) 19:33, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Exactly. When will you begin discussing the issues? rather than simply reverting. For example, what does our neutral point of view policy require with respect to notable points of view. Not deletion, but inclusion. User:Fred Bauder Talk 19:43, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I suggest you stop misrepresenting what I did. I moved your changes to the criticism section where they belong. It was you who then went on a rampage. jfeise (talk) 19:59, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Disney is a big deal. So is a bi-partisan congressional request for an investigation. Even an article in The New York Times is a big deal. Burying in a "criticism" section is not due weight. User:Fred Bauder Talk 20:09, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I disagree that this is a big deal. This kind of stuff has happened before with other high-profile companies, e.g., MS, Intel, and that is all in the criticism section. It belongs in the criticism section. jfeise (talk) 20:38, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * This is something that happens only rarely, is not systemic to the H1, and because of that doesn't justify an elevated mentioning. If it did, then all the other situations, the huge majority of situations, where the H-1B is used as intended would also have to be mentioned at the same level. The way you added it made the whole article appear anti-H1, i.e., a specific POV. I think that was the wrong way to go about it. This belongs in the criticism section. jfeise (talk) 20:52, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

If you will read Wikipedia:NPOV carefully, it advises against a criticism section. Here's a question: What are H-1B visas used for and by who? The research I've done today shows that a substantial fraction is used for outsourcing rather than to meet labor shortages in skilled occupations. Not only does it not belong buried in a confusing criticism section, it probably belongs in the lede. User:Fred Bauder Talk 20:58, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Your research is rather flawed. The abuses are small. The majority of H-1Bs are to fill positions in skilled occupations. You just don't read about it much because that's not news. So, you see the few abuses, and falsely conclude that it is widespread. It isn't, as anybody who actually watches the space can tell you. You fell for the reporting bias. There are provisions in the laws to prevent salary dumping. That alone makes outsourcing rather useless, unless it is outsourcing to a foreign country. I suggest you do real research about the H1 instead of just blindly believing the misrepresentations from the anti-H1 crowd. jfeise (talk) 21:50, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * My research shows that the NYT's article was ground breaking, see this link. It WAS "not news" NOW it is. The Department of Labor says, no, there is nothing in the laws. At Southern California Edison the firm saved about 40% on wages by outsourcing. There is no crowd, more a flash mob. The Dallas Morning News' and The New York Times agree about, basically, nothing. User:Fred Bauder Talk 22:05, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

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Uber (company)
I think your |last edit inadvertently duplicates information about David Plouffe. I'd, you know, normally just edit the article myself but I'm feeling lazy and I'm not sure which section it should be removed from. --Yamla (talk) 18:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Fixed it one way. User:Fred Bauder Talk 20:02, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Huzzah! Thanks! --Yamla (talk) 21:40, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Vancouver University Worldwide


The article Vancouver University Worldwide has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * could not find any reliable independent secondary sources

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on |the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Dr. Fleischman (talk) 23:07, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

File:ChineseBullMarket.jpg
Hi Fred. I'm thinking of nominating File:ChineseBullMarket.jpg for deletion. Is there any reason why not? It seems to fail Non-free content criteria #8: "...Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding..."

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FYI
You should probably know that you are being mentioned here and here. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 19:14, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Your message
Hi. Could you please go back to my talk page and sign the part of the recent message(s) that you posted. I'll then decide how best to address your query. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:41, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

St. Paul's School
In case you haven't seen this ; I responded with this. The predicted and expected edit warring commenced with this. I find it highly unorthodox that the reasoning for removing the content is this: "Rmv all non-encylopedic content + other cleanup per assessment by WikiProject Schools coordinator"; and this: "This has been thoroughly reviewed by project coordinator and I agree with all of it. It's not encylopedic. To restore any of it, get consensus on the TP." No discussion on the article talk page, no consensus sought -- just blanket removal, as if it was mandated. I have left this message at the talk page of Admin/editor the edit warring and point-making editor is referring to as the one (allegedly) making the unilateral decision. Very strange circumstances, indeed. Can't say I've ever seen anything like it in Wikipedia previously. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 19:41, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Winkelivi, you violated your warning from the administrator about following editors around the project. I've been there for a few weeks. Your first edit was today. You also posted on my talk page (with a bogus warning) when you were told to stay off it. Finally, canvassing from specific editors you think will support you is another no-no. You have been warned repeatedly by administrators about your disruptive behavior with so many editors. If you feel some of the content should be restored, then follow the proper process and get consensus on the article's talk page. But it's interesting that you've made zero edits to the article prior to today. Lootbrewed (talk) 19:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * It wasn't a "bogus warning", it was entirely valid. Removing a huge amount of content without consensus on the article talk page and then reverting again after it is restored is disruptive editing.  Further, the article was on my watchlist.  If you notice, prior to reverting your blanking of content, I reverted similar content removal by two different IPs (likely the same editor) because of their attempt to whitewash the article.  The "proper process", if talk page consensus hasn't been attempted/obtained first, is to discuss at the talk page per WP:BRD when reverted as you were.  You have chosen, instead, to take it upon yourself to remove content you don't like based on a discussion on another editor's talk page and then edit war over it.  That's not within policy guidelines - your reasoning for removal is not only unorthodox, it's invalid.  Your attempt at forum shopping is also not appropriate (going to the talk pages of admins to complain about me).   For whatever reason, you seem intent on bending the "rules" here to suit your wants.  I suspect if you continue on this path, well, you know the rest.  -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  19:57, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Educate yourself on what disruptive editing is. And you watchlisted the article after you saw I was editing it. Now, about the content... I was the first edtior to revert content, and you then reverted my revert. Obviously, if I sought a thorough review of feedback from a WikiProject School coordinator (and administrator), Tedder, long before I made any changes, it was clearly done with very pure intentions to get proper guidance and improve the article. Otherwise, I would have just made the edits unilaterally with no input. Also, the entire matter was made clear on the article's talk page with the admin's assessment included at his request. If an editor sees content that doesn't belong, he can remove it if it's in line with WP's policies or guidelines. If someone else disagrees, they can take it to the talk page and try to reach consensus. Apparently, you think you know more about the article's content than the coordinator who oversees all of the school articles. I'm sorry, but you don't. So everything was above board. On the other hand, you followed me to the article, posted on my talk page after being told not to, and canvassed the one editor with whom you knew I was having contentious discussions about some article content. I believe your inappropriate behavior (again) will be clear to any administrator who reviews this matter. Lootbrewed (talk) 20:34, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * "you watchlisted the article after you saw I was editing it" Your evidence for this is what, precisely?  "I was the first edtior to revert content, and you then reverted my revert."  Look again at the edit history for today.  You are incorrect.  Obviously, another editor also recognizes that your removal of content was unorthodox, to say the least.  It's time to discuss at the article talk page and do this the right way, not on the talk pages of other editors.  -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  20:41, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * None of this belongs here. I am interested in the article but not in blow-by-blow quarreling over it. User:Fred Bauder Talk 21:38, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Fine. But you don't have to be like this about it as you were here:.  -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  21:42, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I actually made the one and only edit I made on the page to get the 10,000 characters worth of crap on the rape incident out. Grudgingly, a bit should be in the article. Oppose completely having the boy's name. For the most part, I am actually in agreement with a lot of Lootbrew's cuts. The rape part is where I see no consensus. And I agree with Fred in that there are cuts to be made, but dozens of cuts in numerous areas only leads to a disastrous mess on the talk page like what is there now. My best thought would be to reset the article back to before all this started, restart the discussions on the talk page and hack them out one at a time, starting with blp issues like the rape incident first. Post notices at project New Hampshire and project schools to get wider input. Good luck. John from Idegon (talk) 21:52, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Unless there's policy addressing the inclusion/omission of a defendant's name I can't see any good reason for leaving it out. His name is already all over the internet and the case has been reported on widely in the mainstream media and various other reliable sources.  My objection to the content would be any hint of sensationalism or tabloid journalism.  But to just gut the section based on the discussion between a couple of editors at talk pages other than the article talk page is not just unorthodox, it's against policy and certainly not in line with how consensus is reached.  But yes, hack out the issues on the talk page and go to project New Hampshire and project schools - these are all good suggestions.  -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  21:58, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no policy about excluding defendant's name other than, if that is the only important thing that happened in their life, we ought not create an article about them, but integrate information about them into any article about the incident. However, as as he is just into young adulthood, my preference would be to not use his name, simply to refer to him as an older student. Our scapegoating responsibilities are limited; "if it bleeds, it leads" is not our motto. User:Fred Bauder Talk 22:16, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Fred, what I meant was that Winkelvi had zero involvement in the article before today and obviously knew from the edit history that I'd been editing it for a few weeks. His run-ins with me over the past few weeks are now infamous on the project, so it's puzzling that he chose to start editing St. Paul's when he knew I was very involved with it and he had no involvement. And in terms of me saying I was the first to revert content, I was referring to all the content I removed, which was of course done long after I received the detailed input from the coordinator. I realize that another editor tried to remove other content (about the trial), but that's obviously not content I was going to remove, nor did remove. And the revert of that removal of course was appropriate because the content is encylopedic and well sourced. The content I removed, however, is not enyclopedic (and is mostly unsourced and probably original research anyway). So my point is that I was the original reverter of the content I removed. By the way, although Tedder felt all of the socialization content added should not be included, I felt it was interesting and noteworthy enough to leave the heart of it in there. I'm sure you saw that. Lootbrewed (talk) 22:00, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, there was a problem with stirring up trouble. Nevertheless, the place to discuss the article and edits to it is on the talk page of the article. User:Fred Bauder Talk 22:16, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The overwhelming number of edits to remove inappropriate content from an article are not discussed ahead of time. They are typically discussed after another editor objects; not reverted back. As you know, I clearly felt that a lot of the content in the article was essentially "junk" (and I believe you did too, at least in part). So rather than removing any content on my own, I chose to ask for input from the best "experts" I could find, the WikiProject Schools coordinators. You even noted it on the talk page, which I had intended to do after I received a response. So this was by no means a covert mission on my part. If the coordiantor had told me I was way off base and that the content was fine, I wouldn't have removed anything and that would have been the end of the issue. But the fact that the coordinator gave feedback that was almost precisely in line with what I was thinking was the confirmation I needed to proceed. So, clearly, I wasn't looking to simply remove content without finding out first if my hunches were reasonable. I was trying to do the right thing. Lootbrewed (talk) 22:32, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Please elaborate
Please elaborate on your comment, "you go too far" made here. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 22:29, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I suggest you move on and stop trying to create unnecessary conflict with Fred. You should listen to what the admin told you. Lootbrewed (talk) 22:35, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I asked him an honest question and wanted an honest answer because it seems he is seeing something I'm not. You claim I am following you, but here you are following me and seemingly unable to stop commenting where I comment.  My question to him has nothing to do with you, therefore, I suggest you mind your business and I will mind mine.  -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  22:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jehochman/Archive_24#Winkelvi and the sections after it are evidence of serious problems in getting along. Too much and you will, for good or ill, end up banned. User:Lootbrewed is a new editor, not Voldemort. User:Fred Bauder Talk 22:58, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I am asking you what you see that is an indication I have gone "too far" today. I'm asking for specifics so I can learn from whatever mistakes I've made here that you have seen.  Bringing up past transgressions/errors where you weren't involved isn't helpful nor is it answering my question.  I'm asking because I genuinely want to know - I'm not good at reading between the lines, that's why I asked to begin with.  -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  23:03, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * You are engaged in a pattern of behavior that is not sustainable, whether I was involved with it or not. Keep in mind that I am an administrator and a former arbitrator. Continuing to act in an extremely aggressive way will not work. You need to focus on editing, not quarreling. User:Fred Bauder Talk 00:33, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I know you are an adminsitrator. I appreciate your honesty.  The specifics in your response are helpful.  Thank you, -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  00:37, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * And the unnecessary drama continues. Lootbrewed (talk) 23:13, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * This thread was never meant to be about you. From here on out, unless I see something that is a blatant violation of policy on your part, you can expect me to not respond to your shit-stirring or mention you at all.  You want to be left alone, right?  You want to not have contact with me, right?  Then either afford me the same or stop bitching about me.  -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  23:23, 7 September 2015 (UTC)