User talk:Fred Braches

Speedy deletion of Slumach and the Gold of Pitt Lake
A tag has been placed on Slumach and the Gold of Pitt Lake requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Jons63 (talk) 23:21, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Slumach
Slumach, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Slumach satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Slumach and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Slumach during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Guy (Help!) 23:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Slumach again - thanks for writing it
It was on my backburner for the longest time; I see you survived an AFD, a hard thing fora newbie's first offering.....next time you create a BC or indigenous article, placed these templates: and  on the talkpage after you've written it and it'll mean t hat other regional editors will be on-hand if someone posts a deletion tag etc; you'd have had lots of allies in the AFD, let's put it that way. The best and most thorough, if sometimes confusing, book on this I've seen is Rick and Brian Antonson's, who cover the tie-ins to Volcanic Brown and Hunter Jack. Slumach's tribal affiliation is unkonwn; I think the katzie say he's not theirs....he could have been from anywhere basically, perhaps St'at'imc/Lil'wat come to think of it; I put Category:Stó:lō people on him anyway. I think you'll find other editors will add bits here and there to the article over time. "Whonnockian" huh? Whonnock, British Columbia and Whonnock people both need writing, likewise Albion, British Columbia and other north-side neighbourhood/locality articles (hint, hint).Skookum1 (talk) 13:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, you ARE Brian Antonson, or Rick, huh? Just looked back over the AFD and also Pitt River Gold, which is mistitled according to WP:MOS but I'm sure some other BC editors will come up with a "corrected" name for it.  I really like the Volcanic Brown and Hunter jack bits in your book; anything you havce to add to their articles, please do so; Volcanic Brown needs to "go FA" at some point ("Featured Article" which as one of the admins on the AFD commented the Slumach article could well become some day).  Anyway I'll go back and re-read your Pitt Lake Gold article; it needs formatting/style/layout stuff but it'salways neat when a published source is one of the main contributors....Skookum1 (talk) 13:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * PS pls join the BC WikiProject.Skookum1 (talk) 13:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Reply to Skookum1

Thank you for your messages. No, I am not one of the Antonson brothers. I changed my "alias" Whonnockian to my true name: Fred Braches. Whonnock is my real focus but the myth of Slumach et al is a nice sideline.

I found your messages as I started adding links to the PR article trying to Wikify the article. I have done what could be done except from linking the newspaper references to the proper transcripts on my http://slumach.ca Web site. It's easy to do, but I wonder if it should be done.

Slumach is Stó:lō. I consider him Katzie based on the Pierre's opinion and on a census dated 30 December 1878 we find Slumook at the south end of Pitt Lake with his brother Tsamemkwah (chief) and five other adults. They are recorded as "Katzie Tribe" and the location is the true heartland of Katzie. (http://slumach.blogspot.com/2007/05/slumach-in-1879-survey.html). I am curious to know who'd deny him being Katzie and on what grounds.

The Slumach article is a rump but I'll extend it when I get a chance. I took note of your "hint hint" about locations on the north shore and Volcanic Brown and I thank you for letting me know about the "templates" to apply. It certainly encourages to know that there would be some "local" support when I launch something new. In particular Whonnock and the Whonnock people come first to mind of course.
 * Not much time to reply just now, but please join WikiProject British Columbia and/or WikiProject Vancouver. There is also Wikipdia:WikiProject: indigenous peoples of North America, the project talkpages are a good place to go looking for help or advice/input.  I look forward to your article on the Whonnock people; we lived up the road in Ruskin from the IR where the trailer park is now, only old Mr. Haines, a widower whose wife had been native, lived there at hte time...before the dam there were one or two villages on the mudflats out in teh centre of the Stave lowland, can't remember their (very complicated) Halkomelem names).  Articles on Albion, Yennadon, Kanaka Creek, etc are needed by the way (see the Maple Ridge, British Columbia article....Skookum1 (talk) 20:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Full citations
Please use full citations on Slumach and Pitt Lake's Lost Gold Mine. Full citations for newspaper articles, for example, requires the author's name and the title of the article. See WP:CITE for additional details about how to correctly provide full citations for your references. Yworo (talk) 18:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Article tags
I removed the inline citation tags from Slumach and Pitt Lake Gold, but considered it inappropriate to remove the other tags without first requesting comments on the talk pages. Wikipedia strives for consensus, and sometimes these things take time. It appears that you have had a crash course in Wikipedia over the past few weeks, but you have done good work on these articles. Please stick around and continue to contribute. Thanks. Plazak (talk) 14:01, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Added Slumach Information
I added a paragraph about Slumach in Pitt Lake's Lost Mine so that readers don't have to read the Slumach article to be informed. This paragraph will also be a substitute for the Slumach article if it would be deleted at some time.