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Thanks for cleaning up the refs on Taylor Hicks. That's something I would've absolutely dreaded doing. But just so you know: Ibid NicolaM 00:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

hello
Hi Fred,

Good to see you back on GA. :-) Was a little surprised to see you numbered among the anti-2B squad, but whatever. No one ever even commented on your Wikiquette alert (see November 24th, IIRC). What part of NFL playoffs is troubling you? Later, --Ling.Nut 19:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

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Hi Fred,

I'm feeling very conflicted about GA these days. We've kinda been punching bags for a while now. I could go with the flow and all that, but I think all the anti-2B people are simply wrong. They are speaking as authors (which is a polite way of saying, speaking from normal human pride in their work), rather than as providers of a service. Wikipedia is not Encyclop%C3%A6dia Britannica. EB can get away with fewer inline cites 'cause the content of EB is very rigidly controlled. Wikipedia is what it is, but it ain't EB, despite the dreams of its more accomplished (but not necessarily wiser, IMO) editors.

On the other hand, one person whom I actively respect has had a lot to say that disagrees with me, see User talk:Jmabel.

So blah blah blah. I decided to quit GA a few days ago. I dunno if I'll stick with that or not. All I know for sure is, I've been feeling about kicked around and I need to at least take a break...

Happy New Year! --Ling.Nut 05:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

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KyndFellow Banned
Fred, I've returned from the hospital and am doing better now. I saw the decision of arbitration. Could you please clarify this for me? Am I not allowed to edit the sex tourism article forever? Can I edit other nonrelated articles if I want to? What happened with the puppet restriction, stating no one can disagree with Edgarde without being accused of being a puppet -- when the Devalover case showed that he wasn't a puppet at all? Remember you read conversations between Devalover and I, and Edgarde even admitted that Devalover wasn't a puppet? My part of the evidence page was completely ignored. The day before I left for my surgery, Devalover and I were planning to cite publications in order to determine sex tourism destinations. I posted a whole list of publications in the discussion, which have since been deleted by Edgarde. Anyway, please tell me what I can and can't do from now on. It sounds like I can never edit sex tourism again, and that seems very harsh. I know you are not at fault, and I appreciate the time you have volunteered to defend me. But, I had more confidence in the arbitration committee to make a just decision. I had made some mistakes, but this doesn't seem fair. Please reply to this under the Arbitration Decision section on my talk page.

Daniel E. Knodel, M.A. 05:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Hinduism
Thanks for grading the article as GA! That should give a fillip to the many editors working on it. If you have any feedback for further improving the article and someday getting it to FA status, we would appreciate it. Thanks again. Abecedare 18:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Banned user User:Art Dominique
You banned User:Art Dominique on 26 September 2006. He is however not listed in List of banned users. Shouldn't he be?

He has unleashed a new army of sockpuppets at Continuation War. See Requests for checkuser/Case/Art Dominique. -- Petri Krohn 02:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi there Fred
Glad to see you back too, Fred. Hope you had a wonderful X-mas! It would we great if we could bring Scania to WP:GA status. Do you think the history section is too brief for the article to be considered for GA? I'm a bit pressed for time because I'm going up to Mammoth for the weekend to ski, leaving tomorrow, but I'll put in some work tonight, to make sure there's not too many red links etc. There is a very nice panorama pic of the Foteviken viking village in Wikimedia commons that I had planned to use for the History of Scania article. And I have some pics of Ale stenar, etc, that needs to be uploaded. I'll work on that too, so that the history article looks fuller and richer, just in case. Best wishes, Pia 04:47, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Borat
I truly appreciate your efforts in assessing the article on Borat. Nevertheless, don't you think an article should get a peer review before such a promotion? I posted a comment about this on Borat's talk page too. - Ilse@ 17:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No the GA doesn't care about peer reviews!
 * Fred-Chess 19:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for Green Wing
I just wanted to say thanks for helping me to get the Green Wing article promoted. Cheers! ISD 22:16, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

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BoNM for WikiProject Sweden?
Hi Fred,

Would there be any use for a Barnstar/Barnstars of National Merit for Sweden? I can make one fairly quickly/easily. I've already made a half a dozen or so for other countries...--Ling.Nut 04:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Done, see BoNM-Sweden . Am cutting back my Wikipedia participation to nearly zero for an extended period.It will be at least 6 months before I take it up seriously again. I may bump into you from time to time before then, but it's a bit unlikely. Good luck with all your projects!--Ling.Nut 19:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

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Sorry for not putting up a proper template in the first place. I wonder what I was thinking. Anyway, yes, the template is good. { Ben S. Nelson } Lucidish 01:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

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GA candidate
Hi, thanks for reviewing Same-sex marriage in Spain. I believe your concerns have been adressed (references have been provided and the lead has been expanded). Nonetheless, if you think the lead should be expanded more, it can be done without problems. Cheers and thanks again Raystorm 00:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, re-changed the beginning of the lead. Better now? :) Raystorm 15:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Woohoo! Great! If there are further concerns please let me know. :) Thanks! Raystorm 11:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Scania article
Hi Fred. I'll be busy today, so I won't have a chance to do anything, but I thought I'd give you a quick update on what I have planned to do on the Scania article. I know we need a separate article on Scanian culture, but for now, I have planned to add a couple of summarizing sentences on art and architecture in the province article, which is why I have added subheads in that section. There are two extraordinary dissertations on architecture--fascinating, fun, ground-breaking stuff: 1> Ranby, Henrik (2002). Harald Boklund, Cosmopolitism, regionalism and National romanticism in Scanian architecture 1890-1930. Lund University Dissertation, Department of Art History and Musicology: 2002. and 2> Bjurklint Rosenblad, Kajsa (2005). [http://theses.lub.lu.se/postgrad/search.tkl?field_query1=pubid&query1=hum_368&recordformat=display Scenografi för ett ståndsmässigt liv. Adelns slottsbyggande i Skåne 1840-1900]. Lund University Dissertation, Sekel Bokförlag: Malmö, 2005. So the architecture section will get kind of a brief "adel, präster, borgare och bönder" structure. We have the priest covered (the churches), so we need a sentence or two about the castles (Kajsa's dissertation), "borgarna" (Henrik's dissertation about the town of Malmö), and then a sentence or two about korsvirkeshus (which is represented by the farm pic I placed in the article already). I also plan to add an art section so that the sub-headline of the culture section reads "Language, literature and art". I plan to add fabrics to that section (which is related to the wedding picture I put there already) because it is an artform of Scania that has received world attention lately. See: See The Khalili Collection and Exhibition in Boston. The lit. I am using is Hansen, Viveka. Swedish Textile Art: Traditional Marriage Weavings from Scania Nour Foundation: 1997. ISBN 1874780072. (Summary by the publisher: For almost a hundred years from the middle of the eigthteenth century, a little-known and very beautiful art flourished in Scania. This was expressed in small textile panels that were mostly made for wedding ceremonies. Marriage rituals have always been of great importance to small communities, and for each wedding in Scania an extensive dowry composed of many kinds of woven textiles was created by the bride-to-be. The colours and the appeal of the designs remain as fresh and vibrant today as when these beautiful weavings were created during the high period of the art, over 150 years ago. Each textile is a work of art in its own right. The extraordinary patterns are not only of interest to collectors, connoisseurs and contemporary weavers - appealing to lovers of both traditional and contemporary taste - but also represent an authoritative design source.) Best, Pia 20:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Brief Translation request
Hi there,

Found you from Wikiproject Sweden, and wanted ask for a hand in checking that a reference has been interpreted correctly - yep you guessed it - it is in Swedish.

The reference is for the article Waldorf education, which is of a highly controversial nature and has Arbitration Committee judgement hanging over it. I am trying to mediate the situation and get everyone to play nice.

The translation/summary of a report is given here and the main report I am told is found here  or here.

Now the three questions here:


 * 1) Is the report been done independently or has it been funded by Waldorf/related organisations.
 * 2) Is it the case, or is it likely that the translation seems in line with what the report actually says.
 * 3) Has the report been published, and/or published in a peer reviewed journal.

Answers to any of these questions would be most helpful - if you can't help please say so I can ask someone else. Cheers Lethaniol 17:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I will get right to it. / Fred-Chess 21:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't appear to be possible to download the reports from the websites you gave me. What can I do? / Fred-Chess 21:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It says I have to contact Bo Dahlin to get the reports. It seems to be a lot of material, in a subject I am not at all familiar with. I will have to consider if I should involve myself. I suggest that you, in the meanwhile, ask other people. Maybe Pia, the person who posted the previous post (just above)?
 * Fred-Chess 21:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your ultra quick reply :) Okay before I ask Pia it, looks like you have done all you can without contacting Bo Dahlin - I understand the issue of not wanting to get involved - I just wanted to check that the document is likely to have been translated correctly (and I have been duped) and that it has not been funded by Waldorf/Anthroposophy (and not being duped again).


 * Are you suggesting that I ask Pia, so that they can contact Bo Dahlin or are they better qualified to deal with the situation in general. Just so I know what the problems/issues are? Cheers Lethaniol 17:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

WALDORFELEVER I HÖGRE UTBILDNING – EN UPPFÖLJNINGSSTUDIE

''Detta är den första delrapporten av ett utvärderingsprojekt som handlar om waldorfskolor i Sverige. Projektet har finansierats av stiftelsen Kempe-Carlgrenska fonden. Bo Dahlin är projektledare och huvudförfattare till texten. Cathrine Andersson och Elisabeth Langmann har som projektassistenter arbetat med insamling, sammanställning och analys av både enkäter och intervjuer.''

Something like

''This is the first part of a raport evaulating Waldorf schools in Sweden. The project has been financed by the Kempe-Carlgrenska foundation. [..]''

The Kempe-Carlgrenska foundation is :
 * att ge stöd åt nya former inom undervisning, utbildning och omvårdnad för barn och ungdom samt
 * att ge bidrag till utbildning för ungdom med särskild begåvning och intresse för musik/sång.

that means it :


 * To give support to new form of education, teaching and caring for youths and children, and
 * To sponsor education for youths with special talent and interest in music/singing

Fred-Chess 18:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay yep I get that the Kempe-Carlgrenska foundation is not related to Waldorf/Anthroposohy that's cool, a google search of the two finds only the above document - one Question down :):) Cheers Lethaniol 18:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Just want to add that Bo Dahlin is:
 * Professor at Karlstad University. He is working at aesthetic-cultural faculty, with educational science, organisation and society.

Fred-Chess 18:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you call Bo Dahlin himself, and ask whether he wrote the document in question? Right now its 19:24 in Sweden (UTC+1), so you will have to wait until tomorrow.

Fred-Chess 18:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * A belated note of support for Fred's assessment of the source (just noticed this thread): The report, Waldorf students in higher eductaion: a follow-up study is an independent study performed by a Swedish university and thus a state-financed and peer-reviewed activity, although, as pointed out by Fred, the project has received funding from Stiftelsen Kempe-Carlgrenska Fonden - an independent charitable Swedish foundation established to support new forms of education, for example by funding research and by giving scholarships to students with special talents and interest in music. The peer-review in this case appears to have been performed by a control group and an additional reference group, composed of various specialists from universities around the country (Agnes Nobel, Associate Professor, Pedagogics, Uppsala University, Ingrid Liljeroth, associate professor, Pedagogics (special needs), Gothenburg University, Solveig Hägglund, Karlstad University, and Sven Hartman, Professor, Lärarhögskolan in Stockholm.) The study is from a reputable source--The problem may instead be "cherry-picking".
 * Summary of the main findings: The study revealed that a previous non-independent study performed by a Waldorf School in Stockholm in the fall of 1994 (Arvas & Öhman, 1994) was somewhat misleading. The earlier study had put the rate of student continuing to higher education after the Waldorf School to 85%. The independent study revealed that in a larger selection material, utilizing established scientific methods and variables, Waldorf had a transfer rate which was 10-25% higher than municipal schools only if high-school students attending municipal (public) non-prepatory trade schools were included in the municipal highschool group. With only college prepatory municipal highschools included, the Waldorf schools' transfer rate proved to be 15% lower than that of the municipal schools. (Section 6: Summary, p. 37). However, as expressed in the summary, the scholars' opinion is that the alarm expressed in Sweden [over the poor transfer rates from Waldorf schools] may be considered unfounded: In the study's comparison between municipal (public) highschools and Waldorf schools, the children from the Waldorf schools were not less likely to choose to go on to higher education. The Waldorf students' ability to manage higher education were also judged to be similar to the abilities of children from public schools.
 * Best, Pia 21:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much you two have been stars - you have put my mind to rest on this issue and it will save a lot of arguing with the users over at Waldorf Education. I do not think any further investigation will be necessary - you have shown that this is an independent study covering the subject of concern, and that this report is reputable and notable. If there is anything you would like a hand with - I owe you both a favour so just ask. Thanks again Cheers Lethaniol 21:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you
Hey man, I would just like to thank you for reviewing the Armenian Revolutionary Federation article and accepting it as a GA :) - Fedayee 05:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for dedicating so much work to it :)
 * Fred-Chess 12:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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