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Nomination for deletion of Template:ORlink
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Speedy deletion nomination of Wikipedia:Map data/Wikipedia KML/New York State Route 373


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Template:ON former
I reverted your edit of Template:ON former because all of a sudden there were 102 new articles listed in Lint errors: Table tag that should be deleted, each of them involving Template:Infobox road. I looked at the first one then listed, Ontario Highway 2, and in its use of Template:Infobox road, it had markup for Template:ON former, which was the source of the lint error, and the lint error went away when I reverted your edit. I did a null edit of Ontario Highway 2, which removed it from the lint error listings. The remaining 101 may disappear on their own in minutes to days, depending on how fast Wikipedia propagates the analysis of the reversion. —Anomalocaris (talk) 11:32, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Error in Jct module in Maryland
I noticed when you were updating the Jct modules for each state, you introduced an error for Maryland. For Business US Routes, which use the green and white shields with business inside shield, you added a black and white business banner on top, which should not be there when the green shield is being used:   Dough   4872   17:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Haha. Should be good to go now. –Fredddie™ 18:01, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing it!  Dough   4872   18:03, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Wikipedia:Map data/Wikipedia KML/Pennsylvania Route 5


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Georgia's U.S. Highway special routes
I think your edit on the Georgia module broke the links for the U.S. Highway special routes in the state. They aren't calling the state name in the links. Morriswa (Charlotte Allison) (talk) 22:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah it did. I'll fix it. –Fredddie™ 22:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Let me know if it's working how you remember it. I saw some funky links in US 1948-Alt and I'm not 100% sure they're right. –Fredddie™ 22:39, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Error in Delaware module
I noticed when you updated Module:Road data/strings/USA/DE, you introduced an error for for the 1978 Delaware state route shields. The shields are supposed to use Circle sign X for 1 and 2-digit routes and Elongated circle X for 3-digit routes as opposed to the current shields.  Dough   4872   01:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed. There's nothing stopping you from doing it in the future. –Fredddie™ 01:47, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The coding for the module is different and I didn’t want to mess anything up.  Dough   4872   01:49, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

New roadfan
Hey! Thanks for your message in my talk page, I really appreciate it!

Besides writing road articles, I think it's really cool to add a map to it. It is much more easy to see where the road goes! And I don't mean a picture, I mean those maps where you can zoom in and zoom out like a real map.

I read about how to add a map and KML to an article, I felt it was really confusing, also maybe not updated.
 * Do you have some guidelines or a specific article explaining about it? Maybe some YouTube video about how to do this?
 * I see the importance of a map, it is very useful for a reader on Wikipedia. But for what would you have a KML?

Thanks for the help :)! Adam080 (talk) 18:11, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey Adam080. I'm not entirely sure where US Roads keep their KML instructions, but I've listed some instructions at WT:ONRD on how to use a KML to make a map and insert it into the infobox. Be sure to check the style guidelines for whichever juridiction's roads you're working on (example: WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Standards) on how the map should be displayed, as I'm not entirely certain if its a global standard.
 * As for the uses of KML in addition to a map, you can display historic routings, bypasses/diversions, etc. with a bit of information (i.e. date range), and users can download and open them in their favourite GIS or satellite map viewer. Cheers!  Floydian  τ ¢ 19:40, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:USRD has WP:USRD/MTF/T, but that's geared more toward static maps that use GIS data. Now that we have interactive maps, we as a project have been moving away from static maps. –Fredddie™ 19:47, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Edit: Now that I actually looked at the page, it seems created a tutorial for creating a KML file on the USRD page as well. –Fredddie™ 19:48, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Well how about that! Before I realised you could ctrl+right-click to get directions and save to my places and actually traced all 2000 km of Highway 17 by hand. -  Floydian  τ ¢ 19:55, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


 * instead of copying the script to your common.js, you can import it by placing  on your common.js.  That way if and when it is updated, you won't have to do anything on your end. –Fredddie™ 23:04, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * PS: to indent you just start a line with a colon and it indents for you. More colons means more intendation. –Fredddie™ 23:04, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Added my first map!
Okay, I went through the Canada article steps, and I added my first map with Google Maps! The thing is that it isn't perfect. If I click on the map, then I can see better the route, but outside I can't see it that good (I can't see the route from the article). Maybe there is something little I need to change. This is what I added: Mississippi Highway 314.

Also, I'm not 100% sure I drew the route 100% correctly.

After I add a map, should someone check on it before I change the talk page saying it has already a map?

Also, I'm not sure why I don't have a reply button, I saw it in another page. That's why I added a new topic.

Thanks for the help! Adam080 (talk) 23:07, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks great. I wouldn't have left the endpoints, but it's admirable for a first map.  Also, you don't have to add centering coordinates when you add the mapframe template to articles.  It's smart enough to center everything for you.  Personally I've never seen a reply button on Wikipedia.  Just look for the edit button at the top the section header which you want to comment. –Fredddie™ 23:13, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I added another map! But before I click on the map I just see the whole world map, instead of seeing both termini. Maybe it takes some time to understand which part to show and how much zoom it will show?
 * Thank you for the help. Adam080 (talk) 18:12, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's a common issue. Give it time, it will show up. –Fredddie™ 18:18, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Errors in the |ctdab for PR
Hi, Fredddie! I just realized that,   and   generate wrong links for places in Puerto Rico. Example: instead of generating something like Borinquen, Caguas, Puerto Rico, they generate Borinquen, Caguas County, Puerto Rico. In my sandbox there are several examples of what I'm mentioning. I would like to know if they can be fixed or if it's necessary to change them for other similar parameters. Thanks! Yamil Rivera (talk) 21:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks like ctdab works as intended, but ctdab1 and ctdab2 do not. See the Monte Llano link in PR 618.  I need to dig into . –Fredddie™ 21:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * A little testing shows me it doesn't work for Louisiana either.  can you see what's going on?  I've been staring at the road data modules too long; I don't see it. –Fredddie™ 22:35, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I did some tests and noticed that  only works correctly when there's only one location; that is, if there are two or more places, it also shows errors. I also noticed that ,  , etc., aren't working either. Look at these examples:


 * Yamil Rivera (talk) 02:42, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Added map. The time allocated for running scripts has expired
Added a map to Mississippi Highway 4 as I did for other highways. This time I got something really weird. The article I see is without infobox and no map, instead it's this:

The time allocated for running scripts has expired.The time allocated for running scripts has expired.The time allocated for running scripts has expired.'''

Mississippi Highway 4 (MS 4) runs east–west from an intersection in the community of Fox Island west of Tunica, Mississippi, near the border with Arkansas, to MS 25 in Tishomingo County, Mississippi. It travels a distance of The time allocated for running scripts has expired., serving Tunica, Tate, Marshall, Benton, Tippah, Prentiss, and Tishomingo Counties.

Do you know what is this? After waiting for a while it got fixed. Thanks. Adam080 (talk) 15:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)


 * It means your KML file is too large and it's taking too long to process. You'll have to find a way to reduce the size of the file. –Fredddie™ 15:17, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * if a page breaks like that, it would behoove you to revert your changes until it's fixed. –Fredddie™ 19:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you have maybe some tips about reducing the size of the file? Thank you for the help! Adam080 (talk) 21:49, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Using the directions tool in Google Maps adds a lot of points that you don't necessarily need. Drawing it yourself will reduce the size greatly. A good rule of thumb is that a 100KB KML will be too large once it's converted to GeoJSON for the maps. –Fredddie™ 21:55, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Template:Jct for Russian highway A180
Hi - hope you can lead me to a proper solution. I came across the use of a jct template for one specific road in Russia that returns a redlink:

My bad attempt to show a link: (A180)

No doubt there is a syntax I am failing to properly use in the "jct" entry for this specific road. I tried variations like "|180", "|180 highway (Russia)". I did check at Template:Jct and at Module:Road data/strings/RUS to try and sort this out myself, rather than bother you (that's my way of apologizing in advance for bringing you a question that I should be able to figure out on my own!). Jmg38 (talk) 22:34, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh d@mn! That jct for "A180 highway (Russia)" at least brought up the road sign before, with a red "A 180" beside it, but even that does not work now.  I did not edit anything at Template:Jct nor at Module:Road data/strings/RUS, I only looked at them. Jmg38 (talk) 22:38, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I broke it, but it's fixed now. I tried to do something that I didn't realize would break things. Sorry about that! –Fredddie™ 22:43, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * OH! OH! OH! Thank you sooo much - I've been sitting here in a panic thinking I had done something! Now I am laughing!! Thank you so much for fixing that (whatever it was you did), and you get bonus points for me choosing to go down a path of "oh dear, I'm going to get kicked off, all these smart editors built something and I broke it" during the two minutes you spent working on it. My brain went into vapor lock, I could not think clearly enough to even imagine that you had already seen my first request here and were already working on it - truly thought I broke the jct template by looking at it. I am still laughing, but also very relieved. Thank you. Jmg38 (talk) 22:55, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's all good and I'm glad I could help. There's no need to get yourself worked up over Wikipedia. –Fredddie™ 22:58, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Vector file request
My sincere apologies if this is intrusive.

On the page Ontario Highway 407, user Transportfan70 created raster files for the junctions with Highways 412 and 418 and  in the infobox. I assume that these new blue files with a toll tag might be accepted as the new standard, so I thought it would be best to create vector versions of these files, including one for 407E, and implement them into their respective templates. Since you've already helped with the creation of vector files pertaining to Highway 407, I wanted to see if you were interested in taking this request, since I lack the knowledge and expertise necessary.

Thank you. TextClick (talk) 22:12, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I saw those about a month ago and made them already and based them off of the crown shields and guidance from Ontario MOT's traffic manual. Ontario 407 crown toll.svgOntario 412 crown toll.svgOntario 418 crown toll.svg Feel free to add them to the Ontario road data string module. –Fredddie™ 22:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, the top part is inside a white box? I just wanted to make sure if it was better to include a white box considering the fact that the normal non-tolled ones don't have white boxes around them. If it's officially part of the design, then I'll go ahead and add them to the template. As a matter of fact, could you also link me to the template? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Thanks again. TextClick (talk) 22:36, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I based it off of the crown shields, which are on a white square blank. –Fredddie™ 22:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Right. Could you link me to the string modules? I'm not particularly familiar with them, unfortunately. TextClick (talk) 22:56, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Module:Road data/strings/CAN/ON. The US and Canada take this format, but other countries just utilize the country codes. –Fredddie™ 23:00, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I really appreciate it. TextClick (talk) 23:05, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Just a quick update - I've decided not to mess with the code since I'm not experienced enough, but I'm glad that this issue has your attention! TextClick (talk) 02:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Final update - User:Floydian has been able to get it to work. I've since replaced all of the jcons on all highway pages which intersect Highways 407, 412, and 418. Again, thank you so much for creating the files in the first place! TextClick (talk) 03:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The white backing is wrong, as it's visible on tables with colored backgrounds. Transportfan70 (talk) 00:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to ask this in a non-combative way, but what are you basing that off of? Like I mentioned before, I took the regular crown sign (600x600mm) and reversed the colors the same way the toll shields are colored and looked up in the OTM what size the toll tab should be (600x300mm).  I want to get the shields right. –Fredddie™ 03:40, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm referring to the white backdrop behind the shields. They should be invisible on colored backgrounds. Like this: with the white/grey checkerboard (erased) background. (eg: only the shields themselves should be be visible) Transportfan70 (talk) 15:05, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing the issue is that there are no instances of toll crowns on a white background since they are all freeways with the crown on a large blue sign (example). -  Floydian  τ ¢ 05:31, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Which would be consistent with the OTM. We still have these in our file histories ... –Fredddie™ 05:37, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I was hoping to have an answer ready for you. Unfortunately the OTM hasn't been updated since 2010, when the 407 ETR was the only toll highway. On page 25 it states "Toll routes serving as provincial routes are not identified by either Shields and/or Crowns;" which is obviously not true now. As far as I'm concerned, what you have seems how it would likely appear in the next update of the manual and looks better than throwing in the guidance sign silhouettes. Let's see what User:Transportfan70 feels on the matter, cause I'm roadblocked in the head right now by all the bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo I've been going through to write User:Floydian/Ontario Provincial Highway Network. -  Floydian  τ ¢ 05:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Just checked the other crown shields, and I have to agree with User:Fredddie's design choice; they all have a white backing. Unless User:Transportfan70 can provide us definitive proof otherwise, I think we should just stick with this design. TextClick (talk) 22:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

U.S. Route 61 in Iowa
FYI, your U.S. Route 61 in Iowa was breaking with a script error and a peek into your archives showed me how to make the error go away. – wbm1058 (talk) 03:36, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. Once the GeoJSON data gets so large, it's smart to move it to Commons. I'll do that now. –Fredddie™ 03:56, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Georgia State Route 17's Special routes section
On Georgia State Route 17, the Hwy-17BL (Washington) and the other Hwy-17BL (Royston) the highway aren't part of the NHS (National Highway System); please remove the NHS info on the Washington business loop and Royston business loop sub-sub sections. 2600:1700:6180:6290:B5E6:6A6:789F:5ADD (talk) 23:02, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your suggestion. When you believe needs improvement, please feel free to change it.  We encourage you to be bold in updating pages, since wikis like ours develop faster when everybody edits. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. You can always preview your edits before you publish them or test them out in your sandbox. If you need additional help, check out our getting started page or ask the friendly folks at the Teahouse.   –Fredddie™ 23:13, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

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US Route junction lists
I am working on the junction lists by state for different US highways. How should I go about publishing them? I had been recommended against creating state-by-state articles because I did not include much info outside of the junction lists, like route description, history, etc., which is not my forte. Also, I did not want to get in trouble for copying from the mainspace into the new article. Matthewshill (talk) 20:19, 21 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Honestly, that's the way to go; creating new articles. At the bare minimum, to keep something from getting draftified, you need the infobox, a lead sentence, and a route description in addition to the junction list you want to add.  Route descriptions don't have to be comprehensive, a sentence about each county suffices sometimes.  Though the more you write them the better you get at them.  I would start in the draftspace and then move out when they're ready. Draft:U.S. Route 24 in Kansas, Draft:U.S. Route 24 in Missouri, Draft:U.S. Route 79 in Louisiana, and Draft:U.S. Route 79 in Arkansas. –Fredddie™ 20:34, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

How to create Svg file
Recently I have created a section header called Kentucky Route 6087 and knew I had to add an image to it. But I can’t seem to find how to create one. TheGs2007 (talk) 23:23, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Question about Public Domain
For some reason my svg images don't upload to the public domain. Do you know why? TheGs2007 (talk) 01:10, 2 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Because you're uploading them with under a CC-BY-SA 4.0 license. –Fredddie™ 01:15, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

JCT list
I tried to add my first JCT list. But I'm not sure about some things:
 * 1) What created my error in the miles column?
 * 2) Did I take correctly the miles information of the intersections from the Mississippi Geospatial Data Catalog?
 * 3) Is there some reason that the intersection with MS 7 does not have in the column location the value Coffeeville?
 * 4) What should I write in the jct list if MS 6 becomes concurrent with US 278?
 * 5) What should be fixed? Is the information correct?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam080 (talk • contribs) 11:44, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

All these questions are to understand how to make this JCT list.

Thanks! Adam080 (talk) 11:36, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I'll try to answer these:
 * I'm not sure. I just retyped the numbers and the error went away.  The diff shows that the zeros changed.
 * They look correct.
 * It shows none. All you have to do is replace none with Coffeeville.
 * You should probably put US 278 in there with MS 6. Just add it before MS 6 →.  You can read more about jct list practices at WP:RJL and you should familiarize yourself with.
 * A few easy things.
 * What is the road where MS 334 begins? There should always be content in the road field.
 * Is the US 278/MS 6 interchange in Oxford? I think it is, so I would add 2 in the first instance of  so it rowspans two rows.
 * I would also add destinations if possible. I typically get those from the green signs preceding an intersection or interchange.  If there aren't any, that's OK and you can leave the cities blank.
 * Just look over other highway articles and you'll pick up how to do it in no time. –Fredddie™ 12:42, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * According to the MS 6 map the road parameter would be University Avenue. Should I still put this? It's not a highway.Adam080 (talk) 14:59, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. –Fredddie™ 15:43, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

38.103.204.42
I would like to thank you for adding an info table to US 54 Business in Bowling Green.

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US 54 Alternate Guy
Hey man my bad on the US Route 54 Alternate thing man. I notice we have pretty good interests in highways so maybe we could get along and such man.
 * You should sign up for an account and do some writing for us. Missouri has a decent map archive and finding news articles shouldn't be too hard.  Missouri has lots of room for growth. –Fredddie™ 04:00, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Well you see I've been thinking about that, saying as I like providing useful info to people about the highways of the US. Seems like I could get some great accolades from this, as you have (I read your profile), it seems that you have done quite amazing things on here. I will have too look in on it. Also (please do not get upset just hear me out all the way through on this plan) I added US 54 Alternate to Special routes of U.S. Route 54 but I made sure to add an additional expansion box so if anyone, including yourself, would like to pitch in as well and help me on US 54 Alternate you are welcome to. Also thanks for the compliment on Missouri highways they are quite something else indeed. I think we could get along 🤝.

Lol man that was a goof on my part at us 63 connector.

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Infobox road small hardcoded shields not working
I noticed that after you updated Infobox road small that hardcoded shields such as those in Delaware Byways and Maryland Scenic Byways stopped displaying properly. Is there a way this can be fixed?  Dough   4872   16:14, 4 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Should be working now. –Fredddie™ 22:09, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much!  Dough   4872   22:36, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

IP and the highways additions
I don't know if you noticed, but the IP edits to a bunch of highway articles are all unsourced. I don't even know where to begin to combat this - I've reverted a lot of them and it resulted in repeated vandalism on my talk page - these edits:, , , , , and. It's getting exhausting. What can be done? Benicio2020 (talk) 20:23, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The IP wasn't following WP:CIVIL and you were within your rights to remove it from your userpage. If it continues, report the IP to WP:AIV. –Fredddie™ 20:56, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll bookmark that. Benicio2020 (talk) 00:13, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

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Inconsistency with Iowa US shields
Since you’re familiar with Iowa and templates, is there a reason regular US routes and special US routes in Iowa have different shields?  Dough   4872   01:20, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

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New Jersey jct links broken
When you updated the jct module, I noticed some of the links for special routes in New Jersey were broken:
 *  Dough   4872   03:58, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That's not what I did, but I'll look into it. –Fredddie™ 03:59, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * it's fixed now. There was something goofy in the banner code. –Fredddie™ 04:05, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  Dough   4872   09:37, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  Dough   4872   09:37, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Routemaps broken
There also seems to be something up with the name parameter. It's messing up a bunch of RDTs. See Template:WMATA Blue Line. WMSR (talk) 03:13, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not 100% sure what I did, but it seems to be cleared up now. I'll do some spot checking. –Fredddie™ 04:03, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @Fredddie Unfortunately, they seem to be broken again... WMSR (talk) 00:39, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You have to be more specific and provide links. I haven't changed anything since the previous ping. –Fredddie™ 01:01, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @Fredddie my bad - I'm looking at Template:Montclair-Boonton_Line. WMSR (talk) 01:49, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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Kansas
I respect your decision to not promote K-268 and K-144 to B-class. If possible..., could you give pointers/ a list of what is missing for each to be B-class? -420Traveler (talk) 01:56, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm always going to be one for more newspaper sources and fewer DOT sources, but that's not always possible for some rando highway in the middle of Kansas. Anyway, I've asked around on Discord and someone else may adjust the rating. –Fredddie™ 02:25, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Alternate plates
I noticed you changed the plate for alternate routes from “ALT” to “ALTERNATE”. While this may be correct in some states, this is not the case in Delaware and Maryland (and possibly other states) as they sign their alternate routes using the “ALT” banner. Is there a way this issue can be fixed so alternate routes in Delaware and Maryland use the “ALT” banner?  Dough   4872   23:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you compile a list of ALT states? I think more states use ALTERNATE vs ALT.  It'll be easy to code in. –Fredddie™ 23:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The states that primarily use ALT banners are DE, FL, KS, MD, MS, NV, NJ, OH, OK, SC, WV, DC.  Dough   4872   00:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Maryland and New Jersey alternate plates
I noticed you fixed the plates to display “Alt” instead of “Alternate” for most of the list of states I gave you. However, Maryland and New Jersey were not yet changed and still display “Alternate”. I tried to change Maryland myself but it didn’t work out, so do you think you can fix those two states since you’re better with the templates than me?  Dough   4872   12:59, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * done I thought I got them all before I went to bed last night but I guess not. –Fredddie™ 13:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  Dough   4872   13:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

US 156
I may be wrong, but in the US 156 section of the U.S. Route 56 article, shouldn't the current US Route shields be used since it was decommissioned in 1981? -420Traveler (talk) 04:44, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I tried to verify about what time Kansas started to use wide shields and they seemed to adopt them shortly after 1978 when they came out. I reverted myself. –Fredddie™ 11:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Special routes of Missouri state highways
I would like to thank you for all of the extra help and initiative on that area. I have been thinking about doing a Special Routes of US highways in Missouri column if you would like to help I will be taking the special highways from the List of special routes of the United States Numbered Highway System page for the current and former special routes of Missouri. Thanks for the help. 38.103.204.42 (talk) 03:26, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I mean if you create a bulleted list like you did on the state route page, I can convert it to a routelist table. –Fredddie™ 04:11, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok sounds good I will start on that tomorrow. It may take a little while so we'll have to do it little by little. Thanks. 38.103.204.42 (talk) 04:26, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * So I tried to edit more routes to the area and a notification popped up saying the edits were unconstructive, so I reported this as a false positive. 38.103.204.42 (talk) 18:17, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

I have got all special routes but US 69 for some reason inserting those routes in were deemed unconstructive. 38.103.204.42 (talk) 20:12, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Maryland state business route shields
I noticed that in infobox road and jct the Maryland state business routes are displaying the black and white shields with the business banner instead of the green and white shields with “BUSINESS” replacing “MARYLAND” on the top of the shield, the latter of which is the current practice of signing business routes in Maryland. Is there a way this can be fixed so the green and white business shields display?  Dough   4872   19:58, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't have to phrase it like I might not be able to do it. You could have just said "Hey, Maryland isn't showing the green business shields any more." –Fredddie™ 21:36, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * SR-Bus was working; it was MD-Bus that wasn't.  –Fredddie™ 21:41, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the fix!  Dough   4872   23:20, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Worthington-New Haven State Road for deletion
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Rolling back Edits to New Orleans Page
Hey Freddie. I was wondering why you partially rolled back the changes I made on the New Orleans page. I don't understand your description ("a11y") and other pages for major cities, like Houston and Denver, have the same format I used with the photos. If the other pages have it with photos, I'm not sure why the New Orleans page can't either, plus I think with the photos looks better and is more succinct. I'm just curious what your thought process was because I was planning to doing something similar for other cities.

Thanks, Droidman1231 (talk) 02:20, 26 August 2021 (UTC)Droidman1231
 * Sure thing. "A11y" (A-eleven-y, not All-y) is shorthand for accessibility. The MoS says not to use images to convey text (MOS:TEXTASIMAGES), so we should avoid using images to convey text.  Regarding the other articles, image use on those pages does not make it correct. –Fredddie™ 02:40, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

MD-Toll wrong toll banner color
In jct, “MD-Toll” is displaying a white banner instead of the yellow banner.  Dough   4872   22:58, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I figured out the fix myself.  Dough   4872   12:55, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Odd script error
Hi, do you have an idea why the Texas State Highway 71 article is displaying script errors? I tried reverting to the last revision where the errors didn't pop up, but it didn't help for some reason. ToThAc (talk) 19:27, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * It's the map. It's always the map.  I moved the data to Commons and it's fine now. –Fredddie™ 19:44, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

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Road articles
There are several articles with errors now resulting from Category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls. It looks like you have been making ralated changes in this area. MB 20:15, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Shit. I reverted the change that caused it. –Fredddie™ 20:22, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Time expired
Sorry I don't have time at the moment to work out what's going on, so please have a look at Interstate 474 which is showing multiple "The time allocated for running scripts has expired" errors. There are many more listed here. Johnuniq (talk) 23:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Ouch. I reverted some changes that I did diff. Something that I had done had tied up Module:Road data/parser.  It was listed in the parser profiling data at the bottom of an edit page. –Fredddie™ 23:38, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Johnuniq: I think I got it figured out.  was at the bottom of the page, but   is defined higher up on the page, so there was a bit of recursion going on.  It's gone now and the I=474 page is zipping along like normal. –Fredddie™ 03:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Map data/Wikipedia KML/Minnesota State Highway 60
Hello, Fredddie,

You are a very experienced editor but I wanted to remind you that every time you tag a page for deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/MFD/RFD/etc.), you need to post a notice on the talk page of the page creator. This alerts them to what is going on and lets them know that there is a problem with a page creation so, hopefully, they won't repeat the mistake. I noticed that you tagged the page using Twinkle and if you set up your Preferences to "Notify page creator", then Twinkle will post these notices for you which is very convenient. Just make sure in the Preferences that the checkboxes for all of the CSD criteria are checked off. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 03:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Liz: I just checked my Twinkle prefs and G6 is checked. I don't know why it didn't send a message. –Fredddie™ 03:28, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Error in Pennsylvania module
For “US-Bus”, the jct templates are displaying the 1961 US shields instead of the current shields.  Dough   4872   18:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Error in Illinois module
For “IL-Toll”, the jct template is displaying the link and abbreviation as US instead of IL.  Dough   4872   02:10, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Alt banner issue for Maryland
The jct template is displaying the “Alternate” banner instead of the “Alt” banner for “US-Alt”.  Dough   4872   03:38, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

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U.S. Route 30 in Iowa
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Recent edit
Your recent edit to Module:Road data/strings/USA broke templates in every US road article.  Dough   4872   02:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Next time revert it! –Fredddie™ 02:16, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

u.s. route 30 in iowa
hello, Fredddie! i had a question regarding this article and the associated blurb. is it appropriate to state in the blurb and article lead that "[a] route through Iowa... had been paved across the entire state" by 1931? the article body explains that, by that year, it had been paved up to missouri valley, which is pretty close to the western border of iowa. however, the cited iowa dot "LHA Seedling" source makes it a point to state that "Iowa's portion of the Lincoln Highway" was only completely paved some years after 1931, when the section between missouri valley and council bluffs was paved. that being said, i cannot tell when the section between missouri valley and the (first) blair bridge was paved, nor can i tell when this section eventually became part of us 30 (or part of the lincoln highway, if it ever did).by the way, i could not find a citation in the article for the reason why a route through iowa was chosen for the lincoln highway. the reason is mentioned in the lead without a citation, but does not appear to be mentioned at all in the body. i ended up finding it mentioned in the same "LHA Seedling" source. however, i am not sure where best to insert this citation, so thought i might mention it to you. dying (talk) 08:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I voiced a concern several months ago that this article needed a good once-over before it was ready for TFA. I've never had the will or want to work on it since then, so my concern remains unaddressed.  Nevertheless, the people who manage TFA decided to run this article anyway, so I would address those concerns to them and not me.  I'm washing my hands of it being on the main page. –Fredddie™ 18:19, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


 * that's understandable. i had noticed your dissent when the article was first nominated for tfa, but could not find a subsequent assent, so had been wondering how it ended up being selected.  i had speculated that you had mentioned through a different channel that it was ready, but i can clearly see now that this was not the case.  i am guessing that the scheduler either was unaware of your original dissent, had accidentally overlooked it, or had assumed that you felt that your edits to the article since then were sufficient.  i am sorry that the article was scheduled before you were able to appropriately update it.  in any case, thanks for getting back to me regarding these issues.  dying (talk) 01:33, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the 2011 FA article, about "one of the most important roads in the state of Iowa, probably the most historic road"! ... and hands washed accepted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Script errors
I am aware that there are lot of pages with in Category:Pages_with_script_errors. I believe this edit fixed it and the should begin clearing out. –Fredddie™ 05:21, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Infobox road small
Two long articles have parser errors and I'm guessing this may have to do with your recent changes to this template. See List of Farm to Market Roads in Texas (1–99) and List of former state routes in Georgia (U.S. state). MB 20:19, 18 December 2021 (UTC)