User talk:Freechild/Archive5

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ARCHIVE 5 November 27, 2007 to March 14, 2008

youth mainstreaming
Hi Freechild,

Many thanks for your wikification and your message - my first from a human being on WP! Yes, as you may have guessed from my style I am very new to all this (2nd day). I am very impressed with your list of articles. Best wishes from rainy London. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cleeliberty (talk • contribs) 15:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of churches in Greater Manchester
I'm just letting you know that probably replied to the wrong person here. Epbr123 19:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Admin
Hi. I just wondered if you'd consider letting me nominate you for adminship, as I think you're experienced enough. Regards. Epbr123 12:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Seconded! futurebird 12:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for thinking of me, but honestly, I despise the conflict-oriented culture of WP and the superbly inane drivel that passes for WP:N. Blech. I just wouldn't be a good admin right now. • Freechild   'sup?   00:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for withdrawing your AfD nomination of List of churches in Greater Manchester. I do take your general point about lists, and I have supported the deletion of some other lists, but I feel lists like that one do add value, even if they do need some work to achieve their potential. So thanks for being reasonable and open to discussion. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 13:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

List of Churches AfDs
Hope you're not too bruised and battered after your recent bouts on the above AfDs. I don't doubt you had good intentions but I too have been stung in AfDs venturing into areas where people have strong local or proprietary interests in the subject matter. It can be tempting to stand up to an obvious consensus if you feel strongly about a departure from policy, however it does require a strong will and a clear agenda. In this case I think you were right to withdraw but I do have some sympathy for you in being on the receiving end of some robust debate! Dick G (talk) 00:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: the church list AFDs
Got your message. I hate to say it, but there's not much I can give in the way of advice - consensus was pretty much to keep despite notes that we are really not a directory. For what it's worth, it was, for all intents, within the constraints of WP:LIST. I think it's possible that WP:OUTCOMES might have some insight here as well, but not clear on what it says about such lists. I can say this, though - if the article was for, say, "list of churches in Omaha whose name begins with C", then yeah, it wouldn't survive an AFD. =^^= -- Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 01:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I absolutely agree with that, but these articles weren't trivial lists of As beginning with Bs. They were lists of significant human achievements and beliefs. Admittedly they weren't fully developed, but that's the nature of wikipedia. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 03:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Malleus Fatuarum, and thanks for chiming in. I had asked Dennis for any advice he could afford me regarding the series of AfDs I nominated, as he was the only other editor to vote for them. Dennis, I appreciate your comments, and will remain perplexed for sometime. That was an exhausting process, and I'm glad to be done with it. • Freechild   'sup?   04:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's my unsolicited advice. I have been in many heated AfD debates during my time that have caused a lot of upset. It is best to just not get involved in debating during AfDs; when you create the AfD, make your argument for deletion as detailed and comprehensive as possible, making it unnecessary to have to make counter-arguments later. Once the AfD has started, just sit back and let consensus decide the outcome, however wrong it may be; any article that deserves to be deleted, will eventually be deleted. Never get into a heated debate when you're outnumbered, or the others may gang-up and get nasty. Regarding your recent nominations, I get the feeling that you were trying to get the articles improved, rather than deleted. However good intentioned and effective this strategy is, it will lead to a lot of criticism. Epbr123 (talk) 12:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for comments on my edits of Omaha articles
Hi - I've lost track of where you wrote your nice comments recently, sorry. Stumbling on your Omaha articles has helped me learn a lot about the city, and I appreciate your willingness to respond to my questions and comments. I've learned a lot about historical patterns elsewhere that sometimes apply to Omaha and are the basis for questions or comments. Maybe sometimes editors are reluctant to jump in, if others aren't as willing as you to listen to comments.

I would be concerned, too, about a separate article about Crime. It gets hard enough to keep the information together in your head. There is enough separation already for most readers. Also, it almost always ends up being really negative.

Have been thinking more about the article "Racial tensions". To me the problem is that label then defines what will be in it - only tensions, murders, etc. Maybe "racial issues" would be better. In your concern to show all wasn't perfect, my concern that there has been too much about what went wrong and not enough about what went right. What about the positive institutions formed, children educated, churches active, etc? Even people who left the area for better jobs or lives elsewhere? Part of what people do is leave to get what they want. I think there has to be more about mid-century loss of industrial jobs. When I went "on the air tour" of 1947 in those aerial photots, and saw the numbers about mid-century jobs at railroads and meatpacking, then I had a sense of what happened so fast as more than 10,000 jobs were lost.

Still think there need to be more statistics - numbers of people, not percentages of population. People aren't going to sit down and figure that out. Use 2000 census if that's all, or if those numbers are on the main page. Thanks again and keep up the good work. --Parkwells (talk) 19:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Omaha Jewish Community
I added a paragraph on Rabbi Franklin and Temple Israel to Jewish community in Omaha. The tome is a little less general than the rest of the article, so I'm not sure it's a s smooth as it could be, but there you have it. I also included something that may be trivial, but I thought interesting, which was the mention of William Jennings Bryan attending synagogue services. Andrew Jameson (talk) 15:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again
After working some more on other articles, I wanted to thank you for your collaborative and welcoming manner. Some editors get very attached to their own work and think no one else's comments or edits should be taken. That's tiresome, to say the least.--Parkwells (talk) 21:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Reality Check NY
An article that you have been involved in editing, Reality Check NY, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Reality Check NY (2nd nomination). Thank you. Ra2007 (talk) 17:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI, I voted keep, recognized your good work in the Afd, and the Afd was closed. Ra2007 (talk) 19:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Repost of Template:Jazz lists
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AMNH tour
We need to get a preliminary head-count for the AMNH tour happening before the meet-up. If you think you would like to go, please sign up at Meetup/NYC. Thanks! ScienceApologist (talk) 03:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Jazz lists/Jazzfooter
Howdy, I replied on Template talk:Jazzfooter. The template you discuss was not actually deleted, but rather made to be a redirect (something which you can undo if you like). You may wish to discuss it with Cosprings (talk · contribs), who merged the templates and requested deletion of the former. For myself, I have no opinion on the matter but would be happy to implement a solution if an administrator is needed. Thanks, --TeaDrinker (talk) 05:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Library tour
I e-mailed and called the library a month ago. I have yet to hear back from them. If you would like to help getting them roped in there are two contact-info websites you can try: Rare books and manuscripts General library info. ScienceApologist (talk) 23:30, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Lincoln Highway
"type=trail" places the talk page under WikiProject U.S. auto trails; the Lincoln Highway was an auto trail. This is not saying that it was a trail, but that it was an auto trail, a highway marked and promoted by a private association. --NE2 20:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

NE ghost towns
Thanks! I'm planning to put up a few more when I get the time, likely in the next couple of days. Nyttend (talk) 20:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Jewish community in Omaha
Another editor has added the "prod" template to the article Jewish community in Omaha, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also What Wikipedia is not and Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the prod template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 18:14, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Floral Park (LIRR station) image error
Regarding the description for the image you added to Floral Park (LIRR station), this can't be a northbound branch, because both lines only go eastbound and westbound. Which side of the station was this taken on? DanTD (talk) 01:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD proposals
I suspect the AfD is simply because there may not be enough to say about Germans in Omaha, although they do appear to have been the major 19th-early 20th c. immigrant group in the city (57% of 1910 population!) and would be more worthy of notability because of that. Should be plenty. You may want to focus on what is most unique about their contributions, what is different from other groups - timing and size of immigration, job characteristics, etc. - looking at the census data in the Omaha article, saying they comprised more than half of a city of 125,00, for instance, would be noteworthy.--Parkwells (talk) 19:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

There may not be enough to write about EACH ethnic group. A more valuable article might be one that compared the ethnicities in Omaha over time - when they came, what jobs they took, what businesses they developed, etc. The Germans created breweries and were literate enough to support newspaper publishing. How was this different or the same as other groups? Look for that kind of clarifying info in your sources. --Parkwells (talk) 00:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD Jewish and German, etc.
Hi Freechild-

Thanks - it's always enjoyable to collaborate with you. I did put my comments on the article page, but wanted to respond to you directly, since you had written on my Talk page. Sorry for messing up the category; will go back and correct it if you haven't. These are aspects I need to learn. Also made some editing changes directly to the articles on Jewish and German communities, in some cases guessing at your intent, so you may want to look at those. The many ethnicities are one of the fascinating parts of the US. --Parkwells (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Vote for a post-meetup restaurant
I'm charged with making the reservations for us, so let's make it official. We'll do this via voting and everyone including anonymous voters, sockpuppets, and canvassed supporters is enfranchised. Voting irregularities and election fraud are encouraged as that would be really amusing in this instance. Please vote for whichever restaurant you would like to eat at given the information provided above and your own personal prejudices at Meetup/NYC. The prevailing restaurant will be called first for the reservation. If a reservation cannot be obtained at the winning restaurant, the runner-up restaurant will be called thus making this entire process pointless. Voting ends 24 hours after this timestamp (because I said so). ScienceApologist (talk) 17:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Local civil rights history
Category:Local civil rights history, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. – Cgingold (talk) 04:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Children's literature project
This is a project to better organise information in articles related to  Children's and Young Adult Literature. If you would like to help, please join. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 19:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD ethnic groups in Omaha
Hi Freechild - Thanks for your comments. I think much more attention has been given to ethnic groups' histories; that's why you can find what you do on the Internet. That's not as well reflected in many of the wikipedia articles, it's true, and I'm trying to include more social history as well. Recently I came across major articles on Polish Americans and German Americans on wikipedia - maybe this is the way some people chose to approach it. Might be some material/insight for Omaha in there. There was often a lot of commonality of experience among immigrants of a certain era who settled in industrial cities.--Parkwells (talk) 17:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Charles B. Washington Branch
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Charles Washington Branch Library
Hi. Thanks for merging that article. You certainly have made great progress in putting North Omaha on the Wikipedia map! (But not every topic in North Omaha needs its own article...)

For the record, I ran across that article in New Pages Patrol -- I look in at Special:Newpages periodically to help out. The article was one that had scrolled off the top page without being patrolled.

--Orlady (talk) 16:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Freechild -
Hi Freechild - Thanks for today's friendly message. We have begun porting The Baltimore Collective over to a MediaWiki install, located here ... http://www.BaltoCo.org/wiki/SITE_MAP For a couple weeks now, Vicki and I have been happy with MediaWiki, as you can well imagine. Nice to hear from you, and it looks like our town has its own little Baltipedia.org now.

Richard BaltoCo (talk) 15:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Omaha Race Riot of 1919
I've just read this article and, wow. Do you have sources for it? Durova Charge! 08:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

5o Did you know medal
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United States candidates
Your recent additions in List of female United States presidential and vice-presidential candidates make it seem you missed an important clarification of the page.:

"Not included are women who lost a nominating convention or primary election for their party's nomination, write-in candidates, or fictional candidates."

Which would remove from listing everyone from the Democrats and the Republicans except Geraldine Ferraro. Because the rest only run for Party nomination. They did not reach the final election. Dimadick (talk) 15:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

My warning.
Whatever about your warning, I was having a strange night.

But you spelled history incorrectly on my talk page, which in my opinion is unforgivable.

86.149.118.138 (talk) 11:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Request to add Reference for 'Mukti for Needy' page
Hello, Here are few more references for this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukti_for_Needy)


 * http://www.ashanet.org/projects/project-view.php?p=788 - Mukti Coaching Program
 * http://www.ashanet.org/projects/project-view.php?p=820 - Mukti TSS project

Kindly update the reflist of this page.

Thx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Satyajitroy (talk • contribs) 21:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Half-Breed Tract and Indian land cessions
I was looking into Half-Breed Tract after I saw it at WP:DYK. I added a map of the Minnesota section based on some maps at Indian Land Cessions: U.S. Congressional Documents. I thought you might be interested in this link if you wanted to expand on the history of these tracts, or if you were planning to do any similar articles about Native American history in Nebraska. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 16:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

registered historic places
no grand plan; I was just standardizing all such cats to be the same; most just had the two cats: the overall one for the US and the landmarks of state. So I made them all the same. If there a different plan to make them uniform (without a lot of overlap), so be it. Hmains (talk) 03:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I was just standardizing all such 50 cats to be the same; most just had the two cats:the overall one for the US and the landmarks of state. So I made 50 of them all the same.  If history is a good category in which to include Registered Historic Places, then I would want to see it done/would do it for all 50 states, not just a couple.  Thanks  P.S., I have nothing against Nebraska.  I was born and raised in Omaha!  Hmains (talk) 01:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, good articles which I look at, do minor edits to once in awhile, but I have just personal knowledge, not documented knowledge of Omaha (and I left there in 1962). Anyway, looking at the National Register category at the US level shows it indirectly falls under History of the US, so yes, each of the State Register cats should be in the History of foo-state cat.  I will work on this this weekend. Hmains (talk) 02:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Nice work
On the Foxx and Jones articles. It's a lot more work to create something worthwhile than to nominate for deletion. Good job. --69.225.10.208 (talk) 21:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the Piney Woods school article itself needed more additions, but you already did that too. Good job. &#45; Athrash | T a l k 05:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Category:Eugene C. Eppley
I'm not sure if there's an actual rule to this effect, but it is general practice that categories named after people should usually not be categorized with the same categories as the article would receive. Often, this results in the category being given undue weight. For example, Category:Michael Jordan would be categorized alongside "Writers from Chicago" and "Chicago politicians," and many people seem to feel that this is undesirable. I won't remove the category from Eppley again, though. --Eliyak T · C 05:03, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Ark of the Covenant
Just out of curiosity, why did you add a link to a non-existent article to Template:Ark of the Covenant? Even spelled correctly (Ark, not Arc) it doesn't exist. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 06:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

McKeen Motor Car Company
Thumbnail size is a user preference; it's generally preferable to NOT specify a size, and allow the user's preference to work. The size should only be specified in extreme cases. Thanks, Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 16:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Please don't reformat the much more human-readable multi-line references I use to be on one line and unreadable! I do it that way for a reason. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 16:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I responded to you on the article's talk page. In short, the references issue I don't think is justified, and the headers are because it's a work in progress, not because I intend to leave them empty. Thanks, Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, most of my talk page controversy is to do with my sitting on the arbitration committee and the drama that ensues, rather than any serious propensity to incivil behavior myself. Thanks, Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

New mailing list
There has been a mailing list created for Wikipedians in the New York metropolitan area (list: Wikimedia NYC). Please consider joining it!  Cbrown1023   talk   21:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Children's Rights Movement
Mr. Birks statements were about both the UNCROC and about Children's Rights. I restored the section that I added. Michael H 34 (talk) 20:57, 23 February 2008 (UTC) Michael H 34

Did you know...
...that you are now a Grand Tutnum?

You are invited!
In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, and have salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the last meeting's minutes).

Well also make preparations for our exciting Wikipedia Takes Manhattan event, a free content photography contest for Columbia University students planned for Friday March 28 (about 2 weeks after our meeting).

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Meetup/NYC/Invite list.

You're also invited to subscribe to the public Wikimedia New York City mailing list, which is a great way to receive timely updates. This has been an automated delivery because you were on the invite list. BrownBot (talk) 02:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Invite

 * Thank you! RC-0722 communicator/kills 23:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, sorry 'bout that. RC-0722 communicator/kills 23:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Alternative education
There has been a proposal brought forward regarding a merger of WikiProject Alternative Education, and as you are member of that project, I am notifying you. Thanks. Twenty Years 13:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Want me to stop vandilism? Oh yeah? Hehehehe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.102.119 (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Education merger


Thanks for your input on this merger. I have also responded to comments made by Sherurcij which included misleading information.  Diligent Terrier and friends  has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. 18:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)