User talk:Freshacconci/Archive 2

A Day in the Life
I don't want to start a polemic here. See the "After the chord" section, which says that the nonsense chatter repeated inifitely if the record player didn't have an auto return mechanism. --190.84.140.135 00:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

undo
Hi,

Why are removing my addition al the time?
 * Note - I've warned this user about adding inappropriate links.  Dei z  talk 13:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Pointers
Hey there, thanks for your report to AIV I've taken action. I'm going to paste a templates below as a guide to how to issue these templates. Any probs don't hesitate to give me a shout. All the best Khu  kri  10:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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Neo-Gothic art movement
Thanks for the info. Was it or a similar article previously deleted? - I can't find the deletion page, but I note that I turned Neo-Gothic art movement into a redirect, and see it's now been reverted back. I've tried putting a request for speedy delete, if not I guess we'll have to go for AfD. Mdwh 23:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:DRV
I'm really sorry to have to do this, but I reverted your comment at WP:DRV, because the debate was already closed, and I've undeleted the article. The debate's now at Articles for deletion/Paul McCarthy. The best thing to do, though, is just to add your sources to the article itself. Thanks. Chick Bowen 03:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

You may be able to help
See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Visual_arts and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts/Infoart articles. Tyrenius 14:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome
And thanks in return. Cheers, JetLover -- Talk to me! 02:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Systems House/Infoart deletion
So sorry to hear about the deletion of the Systems House page. I understand that there may have been some problems with style, but the cited reason for removal was 'un-noteworthy'. It's perhaps too late to make an argument for this artist? They are quite young, but their work has been shown at quite prestigeous gaeries including Victoria Miro (one of London's top blue chip galleries), Michel Janssen (a major art dealer in Cologne), The Henry Moore Foundation, and Chisenhale gallery. They have also been seected for EAST, a very prestigeous exhibition in the UK; their work is also incuded in the Saatchi Collection. Is quite an established portfolio to illustrate the artists importance in relation to contemporary art. If it's possible to reinstate this page, would be appreciated. Am happy to make any edits or alterations if necessary. Many thanks, --Infoart 12:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Xiang Jing/Infoart deletion nomination
Sorry for another plea for inclusion: Xiang Jing has been a very established and famous artist in Asia for many years, and is increasingly becoming more well-known and sought after in the west. She has had solo exhibitions at the Shanghai Art Museum, The Chinese European Art Centre, China Art Seasons, and Tuan Cheng Gallery (the Chinese equivalents to MOMA or Gagosian in New York). Her work has also been represented at: MOCA Shanghai, Jack Tilton (top NY gallery), The Irish Museum of Modern Art (Dubin), The National Gallery of Poland (Warsaw), and The National Gallery of China (Beijing). Her work is showcased in the ESSL Collection (Vienna)and Saatchi Collection (London). One of her small works is being auctioned quite soon by Ravenel, a leading European art auctioneer, with an estimate of $35000-55000 USD. For her full cv and biography please see: http://www.saatchi-gallery.co.uk/artists/xiang_jing_biography.htm Many thanks, --Infoart 12:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * As far as I understand it, you can recreate the articles as long as they have the improvements per your above notes. Speedy delete simply means that the articles didn't seem to be notable enough, but if you feel otherwise, you can redo it and go from there. I'm not an administrator so I can't undelete, just nominate. I'm not opposed to either article being recreated, and maybe I was too quick to speedy delete it. Freshacconci 13:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice -- didn't want to recreate something and make more work to be deleted if it truly isn't appropriate. Will have another go as a draft, so the editors can make the decision. Am fairy new to all this, so all suggestions and guidance are very welcome. (ps -- i like your username -- Vito is a hero!) very best, --Infoart 13:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Ashley Bickerton
Why remove a biographical picture of the artist from his own article? Other entries have such images. --Mdomino

Joseph Nechvatal
Speedy delete as promotional requiring extensive rewrite? I'm asking the two non-COI editors what they think. Otherwise it needs savage pruning. Tyrenius 02:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I will go by your evaluation. I've done a bit of cleaning up, but it needs more. Tyrenius 15:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

FYI:User_talk:Tyrenius also on Talk:Joseph Nechvatal. Tyrenius 15:09, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice working with you on Nechvatal. You're in Toronto too, eh? And affiliated with the academic sphere here? I'm at UTM. Peace, Dylan--Dylanfly 18:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Dear Dylanfly

I had the idea that adding content to wiki was what was expected. I fail to understand the "pure genius" comment other an attempt to be nasty. I may add that his 2 essays on Baudrillard were accepted for publication at the International Journal of Baudrillard Studies: http://www.ubishops.ca/baudrillardstudies/ so your testimony to their worthlessness seems silly and rather petty of you. Yes I created this page and 2 more (Frank Popper and Ebon Fisher) but after this experience there will be no more content supplied by me. There are NO claims of "global influence" - only specific facts concerning all three pages I created for you. If you object to my linking his early work to punk - then remove that reference but please stop your pettiness.

Rydernechvatal

I just restored the wiki link in the Nechvatal page to Rhys Chatham. Don't understand why it was nonlinked and why the title of the Chatham/Nechvatal opera XS: The Opera Opus was not in quotes as I had originally placed it. These are improvements?

Rydernechvatal

Dear Freshacconci

Thanks for joining me and a few others in grappling with Joseph Nechvatal's remarkable, pioneering career. I've known Joseph and his work for over a decade, beginning with a conference we shared in Wales, Consciousness Reframed, initiated by Roy Ascott. On the Wikipedia front, I am impressed by your contributions and dedication and so I don't want to over-step any hard-won efforts. I made a few tweeks on Joseph's page in which I opened his Life and Work section with a contextualizing paragraph that clarifies what seems like an overwhelmingly complex career. His significance, I fear, will end up drowning in detail if some kind of focus isn't brought to the work BEFORE the biographical bits. Could you take a look at what I've just contributed and see if there's any cleaning up or adjustment that might improve on it (without simply reverting back to the earlier version). I deeply appreciate your understanding. BTW, have you come across the interactive theatre work of my old friend, Chris Von Baeyer, in Toronto? His Playback Theatre has been going strong for a decade at least. Very dedicated, civilized, conscientous stuff. Best wishes and regards, Trollpedia

Patti Stoneham
Why was the Stoneham paragraph and painting image removed from the Communicating Emotion section? It's been there for many months, edited by myself and others. I believe it is accurate and appropriate for the article. I want to be sure it will stay if I restore it. --Pattistoneham 03:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I removed that section mainly because the material was unsourced and sounded like original research (see WP:OR). These statements


 * "One owner put the painting up for auction on eBay because it so frightened her children."
 * "It is known as the eBay Haunted Painting."
 * "Although the story behind the painting is less sensational than Internet lore indicates, the emotional impact the painting and the story have had on people around the world is undeniable."
 * "Stoneham has received an outpouring of emotional correspondence since the eBay auction, that ranges from healthy self-examination to demented rantings."

are all unsupported claims. Where is the proof in all this? How is "the emotional impact the painting and the story have had on people around the world" "undeniable"? How could that even be accurately measured? As this is an encyclopedia, only neutral and verifiable facts can be included. Also, if you are related to Bill Stoneham, as your user name suggests, there may be a conflict of interest. Please see WP:COI. I apologize for not addressing this in the talkpage for Art as this would have made my editing decisions more apparent. I suggest you address this issue on Talk:Art to see what other editors have to say. This would be the proper procedure. Thank you.

A bit harsh
I thought that your reversion to List of British artists and the subsequent warning of Wokker was a bit harsh. It was obvious that he was adding an entry to the list of artists and he got the formatting wrong. I have fixed it and put it in the correct place in the list. I have also struck out your warning since it was more than a test, it was an attempted good faith edit that he got wrong. I think we've all had some of those. Regards LittleOldMe 17:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

LG Williams
I speedy deleted as promotional requiring rewrite. It was then uploaded again, and I deleted again. User:Art4em has made some useful edits, but needs an eye on him. Tyrenius 03:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments and suggestions. Per your request and Tyrenius, I have made many corrections upon the draft User:Art4em/Draft 1. Could you please give it your eye? I would like to get it up. Thank you.

--Art4em 19:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Situationist International
I do not suppose that you happen to know why the Talk:Situationist International page is full of material apparently dumped during a page merge do you? I am currently trying to sort out the multiple redirects between Situationist, Situationism, and Situationist International, and I found that the original Talk:Situationist page was never moved when Situationist was moved to Situationist International. Unfortunately, it cannot be moved to Talk:Situationist International, since that page is being used for storage. If we can sort out all of that information, and figure out what is needed and what can be discarded, the Talk:Situationist could then be merged to Talk:Situationist International. I would like to know your thoughts and opinions on the matter. --- Theoldanarchist  Comhrá  15:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Fop
I agree with removing the picture and in fact removed the first one he added. However, please don't make personal attacks on the editor who is inserting it as he contends that the picture is of himself. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: De Stijl
RE:June 2007 Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to De Stijl. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Freshacconci 02:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but you've got the wrong guy. I haven't made any changes and am unaware that I'd even visited the article titled 'De Stijl'.

Matt Cable

My contributions are right
Hello, I need to tell you that the contribution that I made in the article rock and roll is completely right. I´ve been to special particular classes of rock and roll history and I´ve been taught the contribution which you interpretated as vandalism. Thank you. --LucasBunchi 16:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope someday you understand and open your closed mind. I have been to special classes with professional musicians. I´ve studied for 10 years rock and roll history. By the way I think you didn´t understand the concept of vandalism. Please study the meaning of vandalism before you answer to me again and before you blame any other inocent wikipedian. --LucasBunchi 16:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Nor you have no sources to proove that my information is wrong and yours is right. --LucasBunchi 16:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC) As I said above, you´re information is also not taken from any special page or encycolpedia, for instance, SOURCELESS. Again, if you find any special page or encycolpedia where you can find that my information is wrong, please send me the dirrecion of that web page or the name of the specific encyclopedia. You can check the site Verifiability to clear your doubts.


 * My responses are here

deletion policy
Why is Kirk Fraser being consider for deletion? He's a well know director. Those who are considering the deletion must not know who he is.

Barnstar
(Moved to userpage).

Re. Lennie Lee
Just dropped in from wikibreak to clean up! FYI: User_talk:ClassA Tyrenius 03:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

viractuality Nechvatal
I see you removed the art theory reference on the Nechvatal for lack of validation (?) Here it is (as listed in the external link section of that page: http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=330

Thank you.

Focusing a complex, significant contemporary artist (Joseph Nechvatal)
Dear Freshacconci,

Thanks for joining me and a few other in grappling with Joseph Nechvatal's remarkable, pioneering career. I've known Joseph and his work for over a decade, beginning with a conference we shared in Wales, Consciousness Reframed, initiated by Roy Ascott.

On the Wikipedia front, I am impressed by your contributions and dedication and so I don't want to over-step any hard-won efforts. I made a few tweeks on Joseph's page in which I opened his Life and Work section with a contextualizing paragraph that clarifies what seems like an overwhelmingly complex career. His significance, I fear, will end up drowning in detail if some kind of focus isn't brought to the work BEFORE the biographical bits.

Could you take a look at what I've just contributed and see if there's any cleaning up or adjustment that might improve on it (without simply reverting back to the earlier version). I deeply appreciate your understanding.

BTW, have you come across the interactive theatre work of my old friend, Chris Von Baeyer, in Toronto? His Playback Theatre has been going strong for a decade at least. Very civilized, conscientous stuff.

Best wishes and regards,

Trollpedia

Sorry. No offense. I do not know how to check the edit page.

Rydernechvatal

What goes on your feet
FYI. Do you think someone should stick to one user name in the midst of contentious editing? 

A dynamic IP address/different computer/colleague?   

I think we can put this down more to ignorance than anything else. I'm not following it up, as I'm on wikibreak (honest), but I thought you should see it, if you haven't already. Tyrenius 22:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * OK. I thought I'd mention it. I'll leave it up to you. Tyrenius 23:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I've left messages on 3 relevant talk pages... Tyrenius 16:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

rock and roll
Whatever I don´t care. If what you want is to bother and mistreat people for a not very important reason, it´s ok, I will not argue any more, if thtats what you want and you´ll never trust any body, thats you, and I´m not the one who will help you with this. Live the present, It´s all i´ve got to say to you. bye —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucasbunchi (talk • contribs)

Thanks for the reverts
Jeez...I think I'm gonna have to break down and get Twinkle or one of those tools. I'm sitting here just waiting for the guy to hit my page, and you still beat me to the revert. Thanks for the quick response. --OnoremDil 12:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Joseph Nechvatal
May I, or will you, remove the COI sign now from the Joseph Nechvatal page? This page has been reviewed by numerous editors over the last month I believe.

Thank you.

Rydernechvatal 07:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Threats
Theres no reason why this page should be deleted, I've review the content and check the resource. Everything is correct, I'm not sure why this page is being removed. I only recreated the page twice, not 4 or 5 times.

I don't take treats lighly (in terms of a Block)

No personal attacks, that's in the policy terms as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abramowitz (talk • contribs)

Editing Kirk Fraser
The subject matter has been address. Kirk Fraser's page has been edited to fit the format. Review the the edits

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Abramowitz (talk • contribs)

Editing "The Life of Rayful Edmond"
Why is this subject selected for deletions? Please stop, what is the reason for the deletion of "the Life of Rayful Edmond. If you select to delete without a cause, I will report you.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Abramowitz (talk • contribs)

Joseph Nechvatal
May I, or will you, remove the COI sign now from the Joseph Nechvatal and Frank Popper pages which I started? These pages have been reviewed by numerous editors over the last month.

Thank you.

Rydernechvatal 07:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rydernechvatal (talk • contribs)

Editing Notice
Please stop placing a speedy deletion notices on article T'he Life of Rayful Edmond" and Kirk Fraser. The information is correct. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Abramowitz (talk • contribs)

Since you're always in an editing mood, would you like to just edit "Kirk Fraser" or "The Life of Rayful Edmond"? Since you know so much, and policing Wikipedia with your edits. How would you like if someone makes edits to your page with information that's not correct, or places a speedy deletion, without any real facts? The next time you place a speedy deletion on those pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Abramowitz (talk • contribs)


 * Freshacconci is acting correctly and is in no danger of being blocked. Tyrenius 16:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Dee Ferris
Sorry about this but I reverted to a previous version of Dee Ferris as the new edit has removed a huge amount of good information about this artist. Do you have a reason for why all this was deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.203.87.130 (talk • contribs)


 * Response here. Thanks. Freshacconci 16:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

personal message
ok! i will learn more of wikipedia.

its a great page i think the link its relevant i was trying to show that there is art related with monism and i understand that is unclear the relevance, so i will try to learn more and do it right! u know i hoped that somebody read it rightaway so if it was wrong it wont be posted for a long time! wonderfull way to make an encyclopedia.
 * ) thankz!

Atentamente:) Sànchezdot.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanchezdot (talk • contribs)