User talk:Friedolin~enwiki

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Above all
Friedolin, could it be that you are mistranslating the English translation of "über alles" yourself? "Above all" does mean "above all things". The popular mistranslation you are attacking would be "Germany, Germany everywhere" (from überall). Mind you, that mistranslation is inserted on the Deutschlandlied page often enough (only to be quickly reverted). But there is nothing wrong with "above all". Best, Arbor 21:27, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

No, the words in the song do not say 'überall', one word, the words do say 'über alles'. For the incorrect translation to be correct, the word 'alles' would have had to be 'alle', as in 'alle Leute' or 'alle Länder' (all people, all countries). But the German wording is 'über alles'! 'Alles' applies to neither a male nor a female gender, it applies strictly to objects ('Sachen' or things). And in addition, to construe that Germany was coveting countries that were not part of Germany before, or had not a majority of Germans if a plebescite wer held, is patently false.

And then there is the author's intent to convey a concept of a Germany which is noble and honest, only demanding German rights, as in 'we are edowed with certain inalienable rights by our creator.' Those are the rights he was talking about, not justice or man made laws, as it has been incorrectly translated before.

If you go through my translation again, you will probably see other instances where such fine distinction is made - they are the difference between one who understands what the anthem meant to Germans who were singing it and a translation that was, there is no other word for it, done with malicious intent. :-) Friedolin 16:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Friedolin, we seem to be talking past each other. Let me try to be more clear. The English phrase "above all" means "über Alles". It does not mean "über Alle". (That would be "above everyone".) So there is nothing wrong with translating "über Alles" to "above all". You are attacking a translation based on (what I believe) is a misunderstanding, and you are stipulating malicious intent in a previous editor who probably just had a different understanding of the subtleties of the English language than you and me. Another thing: you must aassume good faith in your fellow editors. Implying the opposite is one of the best ways of getting banned around here. Stop it now.

I propose that you begin on working your alternative translations into the article as soon as you can (instead of having an alternative translation as you have now—that is sure to get removed). Instead, why not insert a new paragraph called Common mistranslations after the translation, with the following effect:"The first line of the first stanza is easy to misunderstand for those who do not have German as a first language. 'Deutschland über alles' aims to express a [blabla, what you said above]. This is variously translated into English as 'Germany above all (things or goals)'. It does not mean 'Germany everywhere' (which would be the proper translation of 'Deutschland überall', nor 'Germany before all others' (which would be the proper translation of 'Deutschland über Alle'." (Maybe you want to put in a historical perspective on this as well, about the Allies spreading this mistranslation with malicious intent. I just have never been able to find verification for this.) This is a lot shorter, and infinitely more informative than providing a different translation. Moreover (and most importantly for you and me) it points to a possible misunderstanding and eradicates it. Arbor 18:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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