User talk:Friend505/Archive 1

Categories in userspace
Hi Friend505,

Per WP:DRAFTNOCAT, userspace drafts shouldn't show up in article categories. I've deactivated the categories in User:Friend505/storage as an example, but it'd be helpful if you could do that for the rest of your userspace as well. Thanks in advance, and sorry for the bother!--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 07:19, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Some friendly advice
Friend505, here's some some friendly advice: don’t go to other people's talk pages with requests for help, as you did here and here. Everyone here is a volunteer, their time is limited, and they decide what they want to focus on. They can get annoyed if they get asked to work on one person's issue, especially if they are strangers to you, and especially if they can see they weren’t the only one asked. (It’s called spamming.) Someone will evaluate that SPI at some point. It's not unusual for it to take a while. In the meantime, stop worrying about it, let the process proceed, and don't post any more at the SPI. I suggest you move on and just be a Wikipedia editor. Find some articles you want to improve and improve them. That's what you came here for, right? -- MelanieN (talk) 21:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't come here to spam other people. Good idea. Note that I am NOT doing this to increase my edit count. I just simply really needed help. So, what should I do about my help requests? Should I revert my edits? Friend505 (talk) 21:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, well, so, what about my question right above here? Friend505 (talk) 22:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) No, don't do anything more about your help requests. They might ignore the message, they might come here to respond and see this discussion, they might even go take a look at the SPI you asked them about. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, well, so, thanks again, MelanieN. Good idea. Well, I think you're part of my favorite users now. My favorite users also include Valereee (a link to her user page if you want to know, although you participated in the discussion as a talk page watcher, so you probably know). I feel like giving you a barnstar again. Friend505 (talk) 22:09, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but one barnstar is a nice surprise. Two would be overkill! I think you can regard both Valereee and me as potential helpers when you need someone friendly to ask a question to. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, good idea, MelanieN. Thanks for your help! Friend505 (talk) 22:56, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Countering vandalism
I see from your user page that you have decided to focus on countering vandalism, and that you have joined the counter-vandalism unit. That's a worthwhile goal. However, your explanations on your user page about how to identify vandalism are not necessarily helpful. People add and remove material for many reasons. I see that in one case you went to the person's talk page and asked them about their edit, rather than simply reverting it, and that's good. You can learn that way. Better yet, you might want to take a look at Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy; that's a "school" where you can learn how to recognize and remove vandalism, and where to look for it. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:52, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Good idea, MelanieN, but sometimes IP users can be annoying, and their edits are usually vandalism since they do not have any meaningful purpose for doing it. If they do leave a meaningful edit summary, and after inspecting the edit, I find out that they did do something worthwhile, such as removing unsourced content, I will ignore the edit. Actually, you know, MelanieN, I am actually waiting for a barnstar. I haven't gotten a barnstar yet. What do you think is the average time that a user needs to wait to get a barnstar? I have already participated in popular discussions. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 11:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, my dear friend, please don’t rush to get barnstars. Actually, those items are just wikilove and won't help you in any WIkipedia stuff. A user will be assessed by their contributions, not by their barnstars. It is given when users want to express their appreciation and wikilove. I am not trying to disappoint you. You will definitely get barnstars when you give good contributions to WIkipedia. You can adore your wiki-showcase with them. All the best! Regards, your friend.  PA TH  SL OP U  12:37, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, when you meet the requirements, I recommend you to join CVU Academy. It is a good place for learning how to fight vandalism properly. Thank you.  PA TH  SL OP U  12:40, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice, Path Slopu. I will try my best to do your recommendations. F r iend 5 0 5  13:40, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Your comment on Justright's talk page
Friend, I suggest you remove your two comments from the talk page of User:Justright89199. They are frivolous and unhelpful. Right now that talk page is being used for his unblock request and the response to it from administrators. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:33, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I only need to remove the comment about whether or not Justright89199 is Teddy McDonald himself (the first comment), MelanieN. However, if you are going to basically force me to remove both comments, I am going to do so accordingly before you will need to block me myself or anything like that. Friend505 (talk) 18:07, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have decided to remove my comments. Thank you, MelanieN. Friend505 (talk) 18:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No threat, no force. You haven't done anything wrong and you don't have to remove your comments, I was just suggesting. Here's where I come from: I would like to see you become a constructive editor here. I think that's your goal too. Your time would be much better spent improving articles, rather than commenting on other user's talk pages. Improving articles is how you become a real Wikipedia editor. Here's how to get started: read an article about something you care about, or anything at all. Your school, your town, a sports team, a movie, a politician - just read an article. You may find something that needs correcting or improving; so correct or improve it. Then read another article. Keep reading, keep improving. If you're not sure how to find articles, look at a WikiProject. There are hundreds of WikiProjects, about everything from individual states to Star Wars. At the WikiProject page there will probably be suggestions about articles that need improving; pick an article and work on it. That is how you contribute constructively here. Fixing articles how I got hooked on Wikipedia; I think you will find that kind of work enjoyable as well. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's okay, I've already removed it. Thanks for the advice, MelanieN. Friend505 (talk) 19:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Please slow down a little
Hi Friend505, since you were quite active regarding I've had a look at your edits. Whilst I can see you are enthusiastic I'd implore you to please slow down a little. You're spending a lot of time on user talk pages making requests that don't seem well thought out or in some cases somewhat perplexing. I would never try to detract a good faith editor but I'd encourage you to spend more time contributing to improving the encyclopedia itself (ie improving articles), rather than becoming involved in discussions on user talk pages. I'm happy to help all I can. Once again appreciate your enthusiasm for the project. Glen 13:58, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Glen, but I need an edit that I made and reverted immediately to be suppressed. If you were a member of the Wikipedia oversight committee, I would contact you to suppress the content, but I contacted Ponyo since you are not. Thank you. I will try to focus on editing articles. You may notice that I made three minor edits on Wu Zetian to fix the article to be a bit more grammatically correct and make the flow better. Friend505 (talk) 14:00, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , there's no need to apologise, as I say I can see your edits are in good faith. However please take a look at your contributions summary. Only 13% of your edits are to article space, which is why (or why we should be) here; to improve the encyclopedia. So if I could offer you one piece of advice it would be to focus there. As I say happy to help. Thanks again. Glen 14:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Chinese Emperors
@Friend, I thought I saw on your userapge that you were editing these articles, although I can't find the message now. Is there any particular period you are interested in? —— Serial  14:12, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * @Serial, if you want to know what articles I am editing currently, please take a look at my contributions. You are welcome to ask me other questions. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 22:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So I should not offer you ebooks on Chinese history that I possess? (E.g. many volumes of the Cambridge History of China or Victor Cunrui Xiong's Emperor Yang of the Sui Dynasty His Life, Times, and Legacy?) As noted elsewhere, you are now expected to devote more of your time to writing articles (at the moment, you have less than 50 edits to articles) rather than user-, talk- or project-space. Please do so. ——  Serial  03:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Are the ebooks free? Thanks for your help, Serial. Friendt@lk 11:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course, it was here I saw it mentioned.Yes, yes they are. ——  Serial  11:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks, Serial. F r i e n d 5 0 5  11:41, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!

 * Hi Friend505! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission.  I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.
 * The Wikipedia Adventure Start Page
 * The Wikipedia Adventure Lounge
 * The Teahouse new editor help space
 * Wikipedia Help pages

-- 11:58, Wednesday, August 5, 2020 (UTC)

TWA
Hi, dear friend, I strongly recommend you to participate in The Wikipedia adventure. You already tried to start the mission. That is a good way to learn Wikipedia. You will get some badges and a barnstar as a token of appreciation after you complete this. You can earn your first barnstar! . Regards.-- PA TH  SL OP U  12:48, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks, Path Slopu. F r i e n d 5 0 5  13:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Path slopu, I have already completed the Wikipedia adventure, so I have some badges on my user page. Thanks for your suggestion. F r i e n d 5 0 5  18:18, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

New message from Path slopu
 PA TH  SL OP U  13:59, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

August 2020
Hello. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Please be sure to provide a summary of every edit you make, even if you write only the briefest of summaries. The summaries are very helpful to people browsing an article's history.

Edit summary content is visible in:


 * User contributions
 * Recent changes
 * Watchlists
 * Revision differences
 * IRC channels
 * Related changes
 * New pages list
 * Article editing history

Please use the edit summary to explain your reasoning for the edit, or a summary of what the edit changes. With a Wikipedia account you can give yourself a reminder to add an edit summary by setting. ''Hi Friend505, I notice you rarely use edit summaries. Please make a habit of this as it helps RC patrolling. It is also a metric considered in RFA applications which I noted was an objective of yours. Thanks.'' Glen (talk) 14:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Glen. The reason is that most of my edits are on my user page or on talk pages. I don't think I need an edit summary for a trivial post on my or someone else's talk page. However, I know I should focus on improving content on Wikipedia. Thanks, Glen. F r i e n d 5 0 5  18:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Signature issues
Hello. There are a couple of issues with your current signature. Please modify your signature to address these issues, and let me know if you need any further assistance. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  21:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Please refer to WP:SIGAPP, a policy pertaining to the appearance of custom signatures. I noticed that the username in your signature is hard to read, and most of it in fact fails to meet the minimum contrast (4.5) recommended in the footnote there. The contrast values for your colors are:
 * 008B8B 4.145
 * DAA520 2.237
 * Maroon 10.949
 * F08080 2.591
 * Violet 2.317
 * At 340 characters, your signature greatly exceeds the 255-character maximum suggested at WP:SIGLEN.
 * OK, sorry, Mandruss. Well, don't blame me for spending too much time on talk pages; look, if someone sends me a message, how can I just simply ignore it? That would be impolite. So, please understand as to why I don't exactly accept what Glen said: "I'd encourage you to spend more time contributing to improving [Wikipedia] itself ([i.e.] improving articles), rather than becoming involved in discussions on user talk pages." Thank you.

OK, now, about the signature issue. Well, I will change my signature accordingly so that the contrast of each color will meet the minimum requirement of 4.5. However, sorry, but I will not accept your 255-character suggestion. (OK, I know it's not just you suggesting it; the entire Wikimedia Foundation, or at least Wikipedia itself.) Please do not edit my new signature subpage. If you do, I may need to go to an admin to request protection for the page. Thank you. F r i e n d 5 0 5 22:53, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * However, thank you, Mandruss, for bringing up the topic of the color contrast of a signature. I did not pay much attention to it in the Wikipedia signature tutorial. I am currently changing the colors to colors that feel good to me and also have enough contrast accordingly. Thank you. F r i e n d 5 0 5  22:59, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * After I finish doing this signature change, you will notice that the colors of my signature obey Wikipedia's signature color policy. Thank you. F r i e n d 5 0 5  23:00, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, good idea, Mandruss. We need to make sure that our signatures are accessible to people with various visual problems, such as color blindness. F r i e n d 5 0 5  23:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have already changed my signature accordingly. Thanks for your advice, Mandruss. F r i e n d 5 0 5  23:12, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Your signature is now 365 characters, 143% of the recommended maximum. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  23:20, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * By "accordingly," I meant according to the color contrast part that you specified, not the part about the recommended maximum. I do not want to abide by the suggested maximum, since it's just a suggestion/recommendation. However, the contrast rules are more strict, as they are rules specified by Web Content Accessibility Guidelines. I think I need to obey the rules specified by the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines. Thanks. F r i e n d 5 0 5  23:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You're correct, that's your choice. I don't expect I will be the last to complain about it. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  23:31, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, Path slopu sent a message to me on Path slopu's talk page telling me that my signature length was too long. However, Path slopu didn't exactly complain to me; instead, Path slopu is actually a new friend to me, and he just wanted to make sure I knew the fact that my signature length exceeded the recommendation. Thanks. F r i e n d 5 0 5  11:15, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi greetings, please feel free to read WP:SIGLEN once more.

Keep signatures short, both in display and in markup.

Extremely long signatures with a lot of HTML/wiki markup make page editing and discussion more difficult for the following reasons:
 * Signatures that take up more than two or three lines in the edit window clutter the page and make it harder to distinguish posts from signatures.
 * Long signatures give undue prominence to a given user's contribution.
 * Signatures that occupy more space than necessary in the edit box displace meaningful comments, thus forcing editors to scroll when writing their replies.
 * The presence of such long signatures in the discussion also disrupts the reading of comments when editors are formulating their replies.

The software will automatically truncate both plain and raw signatures to 255 characters of code in the Signature field. If substitution of templates or another page is used, please be careful to verify that your signature does not violate the 255-character length limit when the templates are expanded, as the software will not do this automatically.

Feel free to read this. Regards.-- PA TH  SL OP U  12:38, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Path slopu, but I think that's just a recommendation. For example, Mandruss stated the following: "At 340 characters, your signature greatly exceeds the 255-character maximum suggested at WP:SIGLEN." Mandruss also stated "Your signature is now 365 characters, 143% of the recommended maximum." and "[Your statement that it is a suggestion/recommendation is] correct, that's your choice. [However,] I don't expect I will be the last to complain about it."
 * So I don't think it's important. I only used a signature subpage since that would allow me to have a longer signature. However, thank you for your advice. F r i e n d 5 0 5  12:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * By the way, I just tweaked my signature a bit so that it only has 356 characters. I just removed some spaces in the style part in the double qoutes. Thanks. F r i e n d 5 0 5  12:54, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi greetings, I am not interfering your freedom. But, feel free to read this guideline --Usage of other pages in signatures

Simple text signatures, which are stored along with the page content and use no more resources than the comments themselves, avoid these problems. Any doubts, feel free to ask. Thank you.-- PA TH  SL OP U  13:01, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Transclusions of templates, Lua modules, parser functions, and TemplateStyles in signatures (like those which appear as,  ,   or  ) are forbidden for the following reasons:
 * Certain automated scripts (bots) are used to automatically archive particularly active talk pages. These bots read the source of the talk page, but don't transclude templates, and so don't recognize the template as a signature.
 * Signature templates are vandalism targets, and will be forever, even if the user leaves the project.
 * Signature templates are a small but unnecessary drain on the servers. Transcluded signatures require extra processing—whenever you change your signature source, all talk pages you have posted on must be re-cached.
 * User mention notifications will not work if the mentioning user's signature is contained in a template.
 * Substitutions of templates in signatures is permissible but discouraged, as the template that is substituted may be vandalized without the user knowing.
 * Users who choose to substitute their signature are required to be highly vigilant of their signature whenever they sign.
 * Substitution must not be used to circumvent the normal restrictions on signature content, including the use of images, obnoxious markup, or excessive length.


 * What is probably getting at is that, whie it may read as a "only" a recommendation, WP:SIGLEN is actually a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply. I'm not sure that your wish to have a sig of many colours is a reasonable exception.  ——  Serial  13:02, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi greetings, I just tried to convey the user about SIGLEN and associated guidelines. I didn't say that it's just a recommendation. It's an approved guideline. I definitely agree with your statement of IAR. Thank you.-- PA TH  SL OP U  13:07, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And thrice times greetings to you, . Yes, apologies for not being clearer—I meant that, while Friend might read it as a recommndation, it's the behavioral guideline, etc. All the best! ——  Serial  13:14, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!

 * Hi Friend505! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission.  I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.
 * The Wikipedia Adventure Start Page
 * The Wikipedia Adventure Lounge
 * The Teahouse new editor help space
 * Wikipedia Help pages

-- 12:56, Thursday, August 6, 2020 (UTC)

SPI, prime numbers, I don't understand...
I look forward to your answer. Thanks, Cabayi (talk) 15:30, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You complained on Sockpuppet investigations/Xayahrainie43 about 俏綾 editing User:Friend505/math prime numbers with the comment "I don't know whether or not I should revert the user's edit". As you created the page with a single edit it looks like you copied it from somewhere. Your comment that you don't know whether 俏綾's edit is correct and shows you don't really understand the content. So, my question is, why do you have a page you don't understand, which overlaps with Xayahrainie43's interest in Riesel numbers?
 * Usernames don't have to be in English, or even use the Latin alphabet. Your user account is just as valid on the Chinese wiki as enwiki. Please base your comments on wiki policy and guidelines rather than vague xenophobia.
 * I'm reasonably convinced that you weren't involved in the sockpuppetry - your problems seem to be a level of enthusiasm in excess of your competence, and a lack of forethought while editing, rather than sockpuppetry.
 * Thanks, Cabayi. I know, I copied that stuff from the sandbox since I thought it might be interesting. The content was just a load of stuff. Also, I understand your second statement. Finally, thanks for your believing that I am innocent in the sockpuppet investigation, as found by Ivanvector, who is a checkuser. I understand that if you were a checkuser, you probably would have appealed me. Thanks. F r i e n d 5 0 5  18:14, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not complaining about the fact that the user edited my subpage. I don't need to apply for subpage protection for that subpage since I don't consider that as a vandal edit. I just wanted to mention that the user is still active and may be related to Xayahrainie43. Also, what does "xenophobia" mean? You mentioned that word. Thanks. F r i e n d 5 0 5  18:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)


 * wikt:xenophobia (your account works on Wiktionary too) -- Cabayi (talk) 18:30, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Cabayi,

Because of your respectful and kind treatment of me, I have awarded you with the status of being one of my favorite users. I have a list of my favorite users (kind of friends on Wikipedia) here. Click on the link to see the list. Also, thanks for your Wikitionary link. Now I know what "xenophobia" means. Finally, I would like some feedback on my new words related to Wikipedia. No one has ever given me feedback on the words yet. Can you please give me feedback on it? Thanks. F r i e n d 5 0 5 18:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If it were an article I'd think WP:A11. The word wikivandalism already exists, though it isn't used, only twice, three times now. Cabayi (talk) 18:44, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, good idea, "wikivandalism" would be better than "Wikipedivandalism." What about the word "wikivandalblock" and "wikivandal"? Thanks for your feedback on the words. You are the only one who gave me feedback on the words. Thanks. F r i e n d 5 0 5  19:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Timezone
Hi, I would like to share an information regarding timezone. I saw your statement regarding this in your userpage. You can change your timezone from default UTC to your own time zone by changing it in preferences (top-right of pages, if you're using desktop skin).
 * Thank you. -- PA TH  SL OP U  07:57, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Path slopu, thanks for your advice. I have not had enough time to reply to you although I've already noticed this, since I seem to be very busy this morning. I've had to send messages and reply to a lot of users this morning, it seems like. Here, where I am, it is currently 8:44 AM. Thanks. F r i e n d  5 0 5  12:44, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Path slopu, Will the timezone information be public to everyone else? Also, how does changing the timezone change the date and time I see? I've already changed it but I can't see any change in the time that Wikipedia displays. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:33, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You also have to check (enable) "Change UTC-based times and dates, such as those used in signatures, to be relative to local time (documentation)" at Special:Preferences. This will do the translation in most places, though there are bugs around the transition times between standard and DST that can cause some times to be off by an hour. That is mostly fixed by setting your time zone to something else, saving it, then setting it back again, so it stores the correct current offset. There are edge cases that still don't work right, but overall, it's helpful to not have to do the math from UTC all the time. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 01:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with . Regards.-- PA TH  SL OP U  05:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks so much, AlanM1. I have already enabled the setting that you described. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  10:11, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have already done so accordingly, and it works perfectly. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  10:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome!

 * Actually this welcome message should have been given earlier. But I am delivering this because there are so many links above which help you in editing. Regards.-- PA TH  SL OP U  14:13, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's okay, Path slopu, for this belated welcome, since not all users get this "Welcome" message delivered by other users right away. Also, originally, I did not intend to reply to you and thank you for providing me with this information, but after finding that it was great, I thought that maybe I should reply to you and thank you. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  10:28, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

August 2020
Hi Friend505! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 19:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, AlanM1. I kind of misunderstood what it meant. Now I understand it. Thanks for your advice, AlanM1. And, also, I would like to ask you a question. I hope you can notice that on my talk page, I've made a very recent red edit with the edit summary "Reverting temporary reply". In fact, after I post this, it will be the penultimate edit on my talk page, counting from top to bottom. Can I classify it as a minor edit. Do you think that is appropriate? F r i e n d  5 0 5  20:32, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No, it would not be. Only typos, punctuation, formatting, etc. that don't change the meaning. If there's any doubt, it's not minor. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 21:24, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay, thanks for the advice, AlanM1. I will remember this. Good idea. Thanks. F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:24, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

About that sockpuppet investigation
Hi, Friend! You posted a SPI request at. (I happened to see it while I was looking for a different one.) The SPI people have closed it. They will not give you a reply, because they never publicly connect an IP with a named user. They will not do a checkuser, or if they do, they won't tell you. But you have posted the exact same report a second time. You should delete that. There is not going to be any different result, and you are just going to annoy them by reposting to a closed discussion. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:32, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * P.S. Please understand: when I tell you this kind of thing, I am trying to keep you from getting into trouble. You seem to have a habit of trying to do things you aren't familiar with, and it often doesn't turn out well. So I try to head you off if possible, out of friendship. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:45, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, you know, sorry, but I did not open the SPI case formally. I actually kind of copied and pasted an old SPI case and replaced some content since I did not know how to go to the SPI center for help about it. Also, about your comment about no one publicly connecting an IP with a named user: In the archive of SPIs of that bad sockmaster user, one SPI was opened on 08 October 2019. This SPI containd a report about two IPs that were suspected sockpuppets of the sockmaster. Could you please explain why the case that I've reported has been closed? I'm just trying to help around on Wikipedia. Thanks. F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Friend, you need to stop getting involved in Wikipedia stuff. There is nothing in Wikipedia space that you have enough experience to navigate without making yourself look very bad in the eyes of influential people. Please stop, for your own sake. —valereee (talk) 22:50, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Valereee. I was composing a more detailed answer, but it was complicated and would have been hard to follow. Yours is the best advice. Friend, just stop trying to do things you don't understand. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I am really sorry, Valereee. I will halt this kind of intense, deep Wikipedia activity until I feel that I have enough experience to do this kind of stuff. Also, thanks, MelanieN and Valereee, for repeatedly warning me about some of my potentially dangerous activity just before I am on the verge of getting into big trouble. I will act accordingly and stay out of such advanced decisions and discussions as best as I can. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:59, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's what I would suggest: limit yourself to "mainspace". That means articles and article talk pages. Don't do anything that has "Wikipedia" in front of the name. Don't go to user talk pages, especially not if they are strangers to you. Just work on articles, and if necessary article talk pages. What do you think? -- MelanieN (talk) 23:54, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Great idea, MelanieN. Sorry for focusing on advanced things that should be handled by more advanced users, or actually, even myself later on when I have enough experience. I actually feel that only after becoming at least an extended confirmed user can I begin to work on more complicated, Wikipedia maintenance things. However, it is still a good idea to focus on writing, creating, and improving articles on Wikipedia, since that's what Wikipedia's for. I think maybe only after I become an admin/sysop should I slowly and gradually start focusing on these wikimaintanence areas. (Note: "Wikimaintanence" is a word I just invented. I would be happy if you could give me feedback on this new word too.) Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  00:23, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * . Look, Friend505, restrict yourself to editing in mainspace until you have acquired more experience. I understand that you're eager to help, but you'll need to find your sea legs first, because disruption is disruption regardless of your intentions. I suggest you find someone willing to "adopt" you to show you the ropes. Regarding your question, gaming the system means finding loopholes or tricks to evade a rule; in the case of that editor it meant artificially inflating his edit count to qualify for WP:XC. Salvio 11:32, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks, Salvio. I think that if I need to be adopted, then either MelanieN or Valereee would probably be willing to adopt me. Thanks, Salvio. F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:43, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , by my count that is now at least four administrators that have given you literally the exact same advice; please focus on improving the encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not a social network yet only 8% of your edits are to the encyclopedia itself, >70% are in user/user talk space. I'm not sure adoption would help as so many experienced editors have offered you the same advice yet you seem to be disregarding it? I'd urge you to take this on board. All the best. Glen (talk) 13:40, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

August 2020
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Lorem ipsum, appears to have been inappropriate, and has been reverted. Your edit included at least one misplaced external link. If you intended them to be references, please read Referencing for beginners. Thank you. David Biddulph (talk) 11:29, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.
 * Friend, you have been asked not to do things like this and this and this. You've indicated multiple times that you will stop. Your behavior is disruptive. Please stop.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. —valereee (talk) 16:04, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, Valereee. I promise I will stop. Thank you for preventing me for getting to the verge of being blocked, since I do not want to be blocked. I promise I will listen to the advice of others, since if I don't, I may get into the same result as Justright89199 did. I totally do not want to get into Justright's situation. Justright could have avoided being blocked if Justright listened to the advice of others, so Justright should be an example to me of needing to develop the willingness of listening to others. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  19:46, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Friend, I think maybe it's time for someone to be very, very direct with you: you don't seem to be listening to the good advice you're getting, and if you keep posting inappropriately at user talk and wikipedia pages, as you've been asked not to do but keep doing, you are very likely to find yourself blocked from editing very soon.
 * I think finding an adopter might be helpful, but I don't think I'd be a good adopter for you. There are a number of people at Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters; I would look for someone who has editing interests that also interest you. —valereee (talk) 19:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note that the above post was written in response to a reply that was edited. —valereee (talk) 19:48, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, but I actually think that you would be a great adopter for me, since you have previous experience in dealing with me and giving me good advice. Your advice is actually pretty direct; I just don't seem to be able to understand that some things are not in the scope of the stuff that a new Wikipedian should do. I felt like I should just jump right off to the complicated and advanced parts of being a Wikipedian. I now know that I should not act like that, and that I should limit and restrict myself to the mainspace. I will do so accordingly. Too bad you are not a listed adopter on the adopter page. Thank you for your great advice. I will keep your advice in mind for the rest of my Wikipedia career.
 * P.S. Thanks for notifying me that the reply was to one of my old replies. However, I knew that and I was just about to send this post when it told me that an edit conflict was occurring and I saw that you added this new information. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  19:53, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * P.S. Thanks for notifying me that the reply was to one of my old replies. However, I knew that and I was just about to send this post when it told me that an edit conflict was occurring and I saw that you added this new information. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  19:53, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Dude, really? —valereee (talk) 17:54, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
 * If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

I would like you to promise that you will not start a thread on any user talk page but your own until further notice for any reason. If you need to talk to someone, ping them from your own user talk page or from the talk page of the article in question. If in future you believe you have enough experience to start a discussion on someone else's talk page, please post here and ping some of the editors who have been giving you advice. —valereee (talk) 18:04, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay, good idea, Valereee. However, I have already opened up a userbox request at User talk:WaddlesJP13, so when he finishes making my two userboxes, I will have to thank him there. Otherwise, I will try my best to limit myself to the mainspace and contact other users from my own user talk page. I actually did not know that pinging a user on my own user talk page would cause them to see it. Also, what "Dude, really?"? I reverted my post. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  18:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, I did not become involved in any sort of wikifight. For example, when Esiymbro told me that there was no source for a particular claim that had been made on Emperor Xuanzong of Tang and had been removed by the user and had been re-inserted by me, I notified the user that I was wrong and that I would self-revert, and I did do so. I think you may need to consider your claims about my " disruptive editing ". Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  19:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , understand I am not saying that you are incapable of useful editing. I am saying you need to stop the disruptive stuff, which right now is a large portion of the edits you are making outside of your own user page. —valereee (talk) 19:17, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , you reverted the post because you realized you'd made a mistake. Which is good, but you should never have made that post in the first place. There is no try; there is only do. —valereee (talk) 19:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee, and thanks for the reply. Then, can you provide the diff links for my " disruptive edits"? If there are too many " disruptive " edits according to your view, then can you please give me a sample of a few " disruptive " edits just to give me a feel of which kind of edits I cannot perform? Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The disruption that this user is seeing is your feigning incompetence and dependence on others for help or approval while showing (perhaps inadvertently) verbal and Wikipedia-use sophistication. It's annoying to others and indicative of an absence of good faith. Are you here solely to take up other users' time? Why am I even asking? I've seen your sockmates blocked repeatedly in the past months.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:20, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * " My sockmates ?" I just want to let you know that I have never been socking and never will. Also, all of my edits were good-faith. I wanted and still want to help the encyclopedia, even though I am already blocked. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  10:59, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Steeles, Toronto
Friend505, go back and look again. There are banners on almost every section that say the entire section is unsourced. Wikipedia wants every sentence in that article to be supported by a reliable source. The reason I put the "citation needed" tags on the paragraphs was because there already was a citation on another paragraph in that section; a banner over the entire section would have been inappropriate. But I could have put a citation needed tag on every sentence.

Here's what I mean. Currently the history section looks like this:

History
Archeologist Ron Williamson led a team that excavated the remains of a Huron-Wendat village near L'Amoreaux North Park Pond, which is the source of West Highland Creek. Nearly 20,000 archaeological artifacts were found in the excavation area, which was called the Alexandra site. The village is estimated to have had 1,000 inhabitants in 1400 CE.

In the 17th century, the Six Nations, also known as the Iroquois, began besieging the Huron-Wendat. No longer able to resist the attacks of the Six Nations, the Huron-Wendat in the area left Southern Ontario for Quebec City in 1650. European settlers settled the area following the Toronto Purchase, who converted the area into farmland which, in turn, was developed into residential, commercial, and public buildings complemented by small lots of parkland. Before the neighbourhood was developed, much of the land was covered by hardwood forests with great stands of white and red pines. However, during the 19th century, land clearing and lumbering removed most of the original forest cover.

By the early 1980s, most residential development had been completed. Shepton Way was developed over the last farm in the neighbourhood in 2001. Development is mostly complete in the neighbourhood, save for some new homes and businesses that continue to be built.

I could have done this:
"An archaeological excavations led by Ron Williamson discovered the remains of a pre-modern aboriginal settlement next to the pond in L'Amoreaux Park that is the source of West Highland Creek. The excavation area, known as the Alexandra site, yielded some 20,000 archaeological artifacts from a Huron-Wendat village of approximately 1,000 inhabitants that thrived circa 1400 CE.

After many centuries of life in what is now Southern Ontario, the Huron-Wendat were driven out by the Six Nations. European settlers settled the area following the Toronto Purchase, who converted the area into farmland which, in turn, was developed into residential, commercial, and public buildings complemented by small lots of parkland. Before the neighbourhood was developed, much of the land was covered by deciduous forest. The L'Amoreaux woodlot is the only area that retains a significant amount of original vegetation.

Most residential development was completed by the early 1980s. Shepton Way was developed over the last farm in the neighbourhood. Development is mostly complete in the neighbourhood, save for some new homes and businesses that continue to be built."

I didn't do that, because it would be annoying to other editors. I put the cn tags just at the ends of completely uncited paragraphs, but that tells other editors, "Hey, this paragraph is completely unsourced. Can someone please find sources for this content? Because if we can't find sources, we should remove it!"

The same is true of the banners on the other sections. Since those entire sections have no sources at all, instead of putting a citation needed tag on every paragraph, I just put the banner on.

What I'm asking you to do is, right here on your page, show me how you would fix the problem of all the unreferenced stuff in the history section. Just treat the section above, subsectioned "History", as if you were working at the page. Take your time; it could take you hours to find and correctly insert citations for all that information. There's no hurry, you can take days or longer. Ping me when you've got it as good as you can make it. I want to see if you can become a useful contributor here rather than someone who just wants to play around on your user page and get involved in where you shouldn't. —valereee (talk) 14:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

OK, so, Valereee, what you mean is that if I can add appropriate citations for these statements/claims, you can unblock me? Thanks! I will start working on the "History" section right now. Also, I've got a question, Valereee. What if I can't find any citation for one particular statement in the section? Should I remove that statement if I can't find a reliable source for it? Also, do you accept my citation for the Scarborough amalgamation of 1998 and the citation for the Scarborough Chinatown? I cannot fully express my gratitude for your helping me. Thanks! F r i e n d 5 0 5  17:47, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note for the second source about "original vegetation": There is a sentence in there that says "The original natural vegetation of Southern Ontario consisted of hardwood forests with great stands of white and red pines on the lighter soils, but, during the 19th century, land clearing and lumbering removed most of the original forest cover." The fact that only " most " of the original forest cover was removed means that original forest cover continues to exist, supporting the claim in the article that "The L'Amoreaux woodlot is the only area that retains a significant amount of original vegetation." I just wanted to make sure that you know my source contains the information that needs to be present. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  18:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The third source about the Huron-Wendat being driven out by the Six Nations: "No longer able to resist the attacks of the Iroquois besieging them, the last refugees in the area left their haven on Christian Island for Quebec City in 1650." This sentence is from the source. F r i e n d  5 0 5  18:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! I've finished putting in the citations that I have found for the information provided in the article. Please review my new version of the "History" section. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  19:19, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , what I mean is that if I see that you understand what making helpful contributions means and can make them, I may be able to discuss your block with the blocking admin. No promises.
 * If you can't find a citation for a particular statement, mark that statement as citation needed. I'm not going to check any of your sources until you're finished; if you come across better ones for a particular statement, add them to the ones you already have. —valereee (talk) 19:20, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Um, how are you defining "you're finished"? I cannot find sources for any other statements in the section, at least right now. I am trying. If I do, I will add the source and notify you. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  19:49, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , hm. I guess 'finished' means "I've done what I think is good work, and I don't think I've left anything obvious undone." —valereee (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! Thanks for the reply. Well, all of which I have done is believed by me to be good work. (I know most of what I write when I communicate with other users kind of feels literary.) I welcome your comments, however. P.S. Do you approve my current sources? I need feedback right now so that I can know which kinds of sources can be used when I add other sources for the other statements in the section. I will notify you when I find more sources. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: The second reference of citation [1] includes both of the first two sentences in that paragraph. I hope it is appropriate to use the reference that way. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  23:11, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! I've finally finished. There are a lot of citations there now. I sincerely hope that you will approve and accept the sources that I have provided. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  23:15, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! I've finally finished. There are a lot of citations there now. I sincerely hope that you will approve and accept the sources that I have provided. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  23:15, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

arbitrary navigation section

 * , great, I'll start going through the references. Okay, this is interesting. You can't have been expected to understand to check for this, but either the toronto.com source is plagiarizing us, we're plagiarizing them, or we're both plagiarizing the 2008 Adler article. This may or may not be a copyright violation; I can't tell from the toronto.com source when it was written, so we'll have to find the Adler article and see what it says. —valereee (talk) 10:51, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks, Valereee. What about source 2 and source 3? Are those reliable sources? I feel that source 2 is reliable, and I know that source 3 is reliable. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:19, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hm, I'm having a hard time finding the Adler source -- I've asked at the resource desk here, and I can ask my own library, but I assume this is a small local newspaper -- Wikipedia doesn't even have an article on it -- so this is a good place for you to help! I'm guessing Toronto Public Library does archive that newspaper; my local library will take reference requests via phone or chat and email me digital copies of articles. Some libraries that don't normally offer that service are doing so right now. Do you have a library card? —valereee (talk) 11:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have a library card, but find what? Do you mean find the Adler source on the TPL? Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:29, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! I acknowledge the fact that the Toronto Public Library is one of the busiest public library systems in the world (second, in fact), but I can't find it. Maybe let's have a search on archive.org? Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:33, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * However, I simultaneously googled it and didn't get a good result, so I'm not sure we can find it on archive.org. F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:34, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've found it on the TPL. However, it's only for in-branch use. That's basically like reference books, which can only be read in the library. It isn't digital. I don't want to be going there until the end of the COVID-19 pandemic. Here's the website: . I live pretty close to the Agincourt branch, but, as I said, I don't want to be going there until the end of the COVID-19 pandemic. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This "Scarborough Mirror" newspaper is so elusive. It only exists there in the library, and I don't want to have to flip pages of the newspaper for hours stuck in the library and wearing a mask. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

No, I wouldn't want to, either. :) You might call or see if the library has online chat. Even if TPL doesn't normally offer reference help that way, a lot of libraries are offering virtual services now that they don't normally offer. They might be willing to send you a copy. But I am getting more and more suspicious of this language; Toronto.com is not likely to be plagiarizing us, but if they own the Mirror, which it looks like they might, then they own the Adler article and can reuse its language. If we can't find the article, we'll have to rewrite the history section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valereee (talk • contribs) 08:18, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't seem like toronto.com owns Scarborough Mirror, since basically the only other place where I've seen Scarborough Mirror is on issuu.com. The website of the Scarborough Mirror seems to be here. I think the TPL's reference is usually like that. I've been to the Toronto Reference Library, which is the Toronto Public Library's biggest branch with the biggest collection in all of the TPL branches, and there are reference books that are just placed on shelves to be read in the library. I'll try to see if the toronto.com website will give the publishing date. P.S. Have you taken a look at the other two citations? Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  14:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: You don't need to look at the Scarborough Mirror website link. The website is no use for our purposes and I think that Adler citation is also no use if we can't find it. I don't know how the people who came before us got the Adler citation. Anyways, thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  14:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Valereee, it's no use. The Scarborough Mirror newspaper is owned by toronto.com. I found a website that showed me the website of the Scarborough Mirror. Take a look at the website: . If you click into this website, it will give you a link to the Scarborough Mirror's website in the "Websites" section, and there, you can see that the domain name is actually "toronto.com". This website also shows that fact: . Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  14:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! I have found that toronto.com is owned and operated by Metroland Media Group. This website tells you that: . Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  14:51, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Even the Wikipedia article on Metroland Media Group says the following: "In 2013, [Metroland Media Group] cut the frequency of three Toronto suburban newspapers, Scarborough Mirror, North York Mirror and Etobicoke Guardian, from twice a week to once a week." This could only mean that Scarborough Mirror is owned by Metroland Media Group. Also, the official name of toronto.com is Toronto Community News. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  14:56, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And in fact, the statement that I just took from the Wikipedia article on Metroland Media Group is cited in that article. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  14:58, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, many newspapers have consolidated that way. I've found a writer for Toronto.com named Mike Adler, I emailed him to ask if he could provide the story. In the meantime I think it's best to assume this is copyvio and see if we can fix it. I'm going to use the sources you found to fix the first paragraph. Please don't edit your talk page until you see my next edit, so we don't have an edit conflict. —valereee (talk) 15:53, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, go take a look at the changes I made. —valereee (talk) 16:00, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So you used my other two sources? P.S. What about my unblock? When will I get unblocked? I helped and contributed to this by finding two sources. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  17:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I used source #1 to reword that para. I haven't looked at the other two sources closely, but at first glance they appear RS, as is toronto.com.
 * I'd like you to now fix paragraphs #2 & 3, liked I fixed #1, to remove copyright violations by rewriting them in your own words. This is one of the most important things people do on Wikipedia: fix copyvio. It's easily as important as fighting vandalism -- maybe more important, because fewer people do this crucial work, and we've got a lot of bots to help with vandalism. Copyvio requires more human judgement.
 * Re: unblock. There are no deadlines on WP. What you are doing right now is proving to the community that you are willing to actually become a useful contributor. I'm trying to help you learn how to be that useful contributor.
 * Ping me when you've got those two paras fixed. Take your time, there are no deadlines. It can take hours, days, weeks, depending on your schedule, and that's fine. —valereee (talk) 18:04, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * According to what I've seen on the Scarborough Mirror website, it seems like Mike Adler is the sole author of the entire Scarborough Mirror newspaper. F r i e n d  5 0 5  18:07, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Quite possible he's the last man standing. Doesn't matter as long as there's still editorial oversight, which if the weekly is being supervised by toronto.com, there is. —valereee (talk) 18:19, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! I'm finally, completely finished. I fixed up the second and third paragraphs. For the second paragraph, I used source 2 and source 3, and for the third paragraph, I again used source 1. Please review my changes. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:19, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And this simply took exactly 17 hours. So I guess I'm pretty fast. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Quite possible he's the last man standing. Doesn't matter as long as there's still editorial oversight, which if the weekly is being supervised by toronto.com, there is. —valereee (talk) 18:19, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! I'm finally, completely finished. I fixed up the second and third paragraphs. For the second paragraph, I used source 2 and source 3, and for the third paragraph, I again used source 1. Please review my changes. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:19, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And this simply took exactly 17 hours. So I guess I'm pretty fast. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Your user page
I suggest you remove the "Users that act to me in a so-so attitude" section from your userpage, as it could be viewed as breaching the userpage guidelines. User pages should not contain Material that can be viewed as attacking other editors, including the recording of perceived flaws. Spicy (talk) 19:30, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the advice, Spicy. I have done so accordingly and removed the content. You can take a look if you would like to check. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  19:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Unblock template
Hi, Valereee! I still have the unblock template, even though you unblocked me, and the template is causing me to be recorded in "Category:Requests for unblock". Can you please tell me what to do about the unblock template, because I'm not sure I am allowed to delete/remove it. P.S. I am instigating this discussion here on my own talk page in accordance with your advice that I contact other users on my own talk page by pinging them. Thanks! F r i e n d 5 0 5  21:45, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You can archive or delete, we don't require you to keep this on your talk page. Best practices would be to archive. —valereee (talk) 22:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Valereee, for both the advice and the speedy response. Also, could you please take a look at the section below? I would like to know if you could give me pre-approval for editing articles relevant to Steeles, Toronto, since McNicoll Avenue is the southern boundary of the neighbourhood of Steeles and is kind of relevant. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:20, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! Should I manually archive the entire section? Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Edit on the article List of east–west roads in Toronto
I am just making a comment to you, Valereee. I have made an edit on the article List of east–west roads in Toronto. (Here's the diff: .) I got to the article after a series of links from the article Steeles, Toronto, which I am working on. I simply replaced an unnecessary link that was a redirect to the same section itself with plain text. I classified the edit as minor. I know that you did not want me to edit other articles until an unspecified time, but I just wanted to help Wikipedia. Please do not re-block me because of this edit. I hope you will approve my edit. I will not make any more edits that are not on Steeles, Toronto, without your approval/consent or pre-approval. Thank you. F r i e n d 5 0 5  22:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You promised not to do that, not 12 hours ago. This is not okay. I'll sleep on it. —valereee (talk) 22:21, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Valereee! F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:24, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

proposal
Okay, not bad! So I've discussed with the blocking admin, and here's the proposal: We unblock, and you agree to probation. You work to fix Steeles, Toronto the same way you fixed the section above. 'While you're fixing it, you can post to that article and its talk, to Teahouse, and here in your own user space. You can ping to the article talk or your user talk for assistance/questions any editor who has posted here offering help or advice.' Once you've got Steeles in good shape, we'll talk about letting you edit other articles. Is that acceptable to you? —valereee (talk) 19:18, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Valereee! This plan is acceptable to me. It was a great thing that I had made a few edits to Steeles, Toronto, otherwise I might have been permanently blocked. I promise I will make good-faith edits to that article. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  20:27, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! I would like to create an alternate testing account after I am partially unblocked, since I would like to conduct tests involving sending messages between users to users, so, for example, in the test, I will need to send a message from my own talk page to the talk page of my alternate testing account. I know I already have an alternative account at, but that one is a doppelganger account. The user page of Friend505alt shows that. Also, I've got a subpage that contains a list of my alternative accounts, and you can see there that Friend505alt is one of my alternative account(s). Since I am currently blocked, I cannot edit my userpace except my own talk page, so I cannot change that to say "doppelganger account", since at first, I created the account to be an alternative account, but later on, I decided that it should be a doppelganger account. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:52, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'd avoid creating and using any alternate accounts for now, Friend. Serious as a heart attack, here. This is another thing you shouldn't be messing with until you've got a TON more experience. If two years and 10,000 edits from now you still think it's a good idea, let's talk. And for now, I would absolutely consider the use of any other account to be a violation of the plan.
 * I've spoken with Salvio, and they're open to you being unblocked so you can work on Steeles, Toronto. —valereee (talk) 12:40, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, good idea, Valereee. I probably almost won't ever need to use my doppelganger account; it's just there in case vandals impersonate me, since I don't want that to occur. What about my unblock? Since you've already talked with Salvio, why am I not partially unblocked now? Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  12:42, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've unblocked you. Enjoy learning to edit on Steeles, Ontario, and feel free to ping me here or there. —valereee (talk) 12:44, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, Valereee, for both unblocking me (that's the primary thanks), and for the speedy response. I am very grateful for your unblocking me. I will immediately get to work on Steeles, Toronto. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  12:45, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Great! If you copy/paste that history section, be sure to say so 'copy-pasting from user talk:Friend505' in the edit summary. —valereee (talk) 12:48, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I did do so. Take a look at the diff, since you can see the edit summary there: here . Is it appropriate? Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  15:10, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's fine —valereee (talk) 15:51, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's fine —valereee (talk) 15:51, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Finished fixing Steeles, Toronto
Hi, Valereee! I've finally finished. I changed the disambiguation link so that it would link to the correct section link without going to the disambiguation page. Actually, I need to thank DPL bot for notifying me of that; otherwise, the link could remain as a disambiguation link for a long time. Please review my citations/references. After you give me a reply, we can then discuss what other articles I can edit. Thank you.
 * You don't need to thank DPLbot, it's a bot. Go look at its page. —valereee (talk) 14:15, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't click the "Thank" button; I know it's a bot. I just mean that if it didn't exist, I couldn't know that it was a disambiguation. F r i e n d  5 0 5  15:04, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * There is a redirect for the road; click on the link above and you'll see the disambiguation page. —valereee (talk) 13:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but I don't want Wikipedia viewers to not know which one I mean and click the wrong link. Can you please give me permission to change it? Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  13:20, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * At Steeles, Toronto? Yes, you can change it there, that's one of the places you're allowed to edit. —valereee (talk) 13:27, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! I would like to know which other articles I can also edit. I've bolded and italicized the "articles" part since I need to make sure you know I'm talking about specifically articles, not just places that you allow me to edit. Places that I can edit probably include the Steeles article and my own userspace. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  23:49, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * What article would you like to work on next? —valereee (talk) 00:02, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If you're going to have to ask me this question, I'm going to delay answering the question until I finish my work on Steeles, Ontario. However, I would like to be allowed by you to make some occasional, small edits that make, e.g., grammar more correct, or something like that. I just basically mean some small, minor edits on some other articles, such as on Chinese dynastic history, which I am pretty interested in. Also, I think you are forgetting one thing. I have the potential to become a great Wikipedia contributor even without your restrictions. Please take a look at this edit: . You can see that I made that edit just 2-3 days after I registered my account. This edit was a significant revert of vandalism by two IP users. I do note that I didn't need and actually shouldn't have sent the two IP users a talk page message telling them about the incident, but the huge vandalism revert is the most significant thing. Also, please take a look at the section below titled "What to do about my userbox requests?" Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  00:06, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you can start editing articles and article talks. No user talks. No Wikipedia space. No pinging anyone who hasn't posted here on your talk offering help or advice. If you think you need to ping someone else to a talk page, ping me first and we'll discuss. —valereee (talk) 00:13, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You mean so you'll start allowing me to edit the mainspace? Thanks, Valereee! Yeah, I now realize that the core of being a Wikipedia contributor is contributing to the mainspace of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is about its 6,142,382 articles, and lots of them need improvement. I promise I will not edit the non-mainspace (excluding my own userspace, of course) during this period. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

That's exactly right: being a wikipedia editor is mostly about editing, especially for newer users. Editors who start getting involved in other things too early tend to end up looking bad. You can feel free to read in Wikipedia space and read experienced editors' talk pages; it's a good way to learn how we do things around here. Just don't post there, for now, without talking to me first. After many months and thousands of edits, you'll have the experience you need.

Here's something to look at: Editor analysis. Scroll down to the pie chart. See the red vs. pink? For most well-intentioned useful new editors, those would be flipped. —valereee (talk) 11:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I kind of spent too much time on user talks before now, but at least I've got 87 edits in the mainspace. I need to get that to be like 200 and then my edits on user talk would not take up 48%, which is a lot. P.S. Sorry for accidentally putting in a duplicate post. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  13:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

What to do about my userbox requests?
Hi, Valereee! I decided that I would make my two userboxes by myself, since WaddlesJP13 is taking too long. I've already finished, and you can see that I've used the two userboxes on my userpage. However, what should I do about my userbox requests on WaddlesJP13's talk page, since I no longer need him to help me make the two userboxes. I don't want him to have to waste his time on helping me when I've already helped myself. Please give me advice on what to do about this. Thank you. F r i e n d 5 0 5  23:59, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * please ignore the requests from Friend505. Thank you. —valereee (talk) 00:11, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks so much, Valereee. Since you wouldn't allow me to ping him (or use a user template to mention him), thanks for pinging him yourself. This way, my problem is solved, since I made my two userboxes myself without needing to wait for WaddlesJP13, and he doesn't need to waste his time on helping me when I've already helped myself. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  10:55, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

What to do about my alternative account?
Hi, Valereee! I'm sorry that I'm asking too many questions, but remember the doppelganger account that I created before I was blocked for the first time? I have decided that the account should be an alternative testing account, and I've put that information on the user page for the account, but since you said that I need a ton more experience and two years later and when I have 10,000 edits, I could consider that, but I need to conduct some talk page message tests now. Can I do so? Thanks! P.S. Please don't block me for this, since I have not violated your guidelines by asking this question. Thanks! F r i e n d 5 0 5  11:33, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I can't believe I'm even asking this instead of just telling you no, but curiosity is getting the better of me. What in the world could you possibly think you need to test? —valereee (talk) 11:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, you know, I need to test reply and talkback templates, since this way, I'll totally know how to properly use them when I am given permission to do so. I may also need to test mentioning a user. I would just use my main account and use the user template to mention Friend505alt and then I'm going to switch accounts to Friend505alt and see what happens, since the Wikipedia documentation for this kind of stuff isn't very clear, and I want to have experience with how to use these kinds of stuff when I get the permission to do so. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  12:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I mostly need to test talkback templates. F r i e n d  5 0 5  13:05, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , it's good that you want to learn how to do something before you do it, but you can just watch how other people do it and figure it out when you need it. I'll tell you as far as I can recall I have NEVER used a talkback template. I use one style of ping,, and in fifteen years of editing I've never missed knowing how to do all the different types of notifications.
 * If I were you I would forget about that other account for now. Talking to yourself via an alternate account would not look good to other editors. If you want people here to take you seriously, you'll need to think about that kind of thing. —valereee (talk) 13:10, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Not exactly talking to myself, but good point, I don't think I need to conduct the tests anymore. I'll just use pings, since I don't really like using . P.S. Thanks for implicitly letting me know what "&lt;nowiki&gt;" is. I didn't know what it was before. Thanks!  F r i e n d  5 0 5  13:15, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Not exactly talking to myself, but good point, I don't think I need to conduct the tests anymore. I'll just use pings, since I don't really like using . P.S. Thanks for implicitly letting me know what "&lt;nowiki&gt;" is. I didn't know what it was before. Thanks!  F r i e n d  5 0 5  13:15, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Blocked
Friend505, I have just blocked you indefinitely, in part because you do not seem to be here to build an encyclopaedia and in part because I think that your edits show a lack of competence. Let me explain further: You have also been given advice by four different administrators and have failed to heed it. In addition to that, your replies in this discussion above are telling as well. Now, I don't know if you're acting in good or bad faith, but, as I told you previously, disruption is disruption regardless of intentions. And, so, for the reasons highlighted above, I have decided to block you indefinitely. You may ask for a review of my block by using the unblock template. Salvio 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) at the time of writing, it appears that, of the 669 edits you have made to Wikipedia, only 62 have been to mainspace (and they've not even been all constructive), 107 to your user page, another 20 to a subpage devoted entirely to your signature and 190 to other people's talk pages (see the );
 * 2) furthermore you've also made edits that are simply weird or unconstructive; for instance,
 * 3) (for context, see Sockpuppet investigations/Xayahrainie43/Archive and Sockpuppet investigations/Xayahrainie43/Archive);
 * 4) for edits made more than a year before, and then  because "I have deemed the edits to be good-faith edits, so I am removing my post";
 * 5) which you then reverted ;
 * 6) where you misplaced an external link;
 * 7) less than a week after creating your account; incidentally,, , and then ;
 * 8) now let's talk about your weird edits: (followed by three more edits);, followed by  and then ;  followed by ; ,  and.
 * 1) less than a week after creating your account; incidentally,, , and then ;
 * 2) now let's talk about your weird edits: (followed by three more edits);, followed by  and then ;  followed by ; ,  and.


 * Friend I have to say I am 100% in support of this block. While I do not believe your intentions have been bad if you were to layer up all the time and effort that has gone into the number of experienced editors that have offered you advice and support, all to no avail, the level of disruption to the project is considerable. As Salvio has mentioned you are welcome to appeal the block, but you will have to convince the reviewing admin that you are going to positively contribute to the encyclopedia. Factoring you have already given that assurance before, and no progress seems to have been made, my advice is to take a long hard look at everything Salvio has outlined above and point by point write your understanding of what got us to this place. Good luck. Glen (talk) 09:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Also, about that " move war "; I actually just needed to make my edit summary better so I reverted my move and moved it again. However, I promise I will never do these kinds of things: doing something, then double-reverting it. I promise. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  10:39, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , you made a couple of edits at Steeles, Toronto. When you read that article, the first thing you should have noticed was that this article is almost completely unsourced, and that what it really needed was someone to check that all the information is correct, and if so, to find a source for each piece of information. The edits you made to that article indicated you're familiar with the area. That means it should be easy for you both to know whether or not the information is correct and to find sources to support the assertions. I've tagged it. Go take a look, read through the article thoroughly, then come back and tell us what you think you could accomplish there if you were unblocked. —valereee (talk) 12:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! Yeah, I added some information about the townhouse residences being 29 Fundy Bay Blvd. That's because I've seen those and I live very close to those townhouses. However, I now know that if I'm going to add that information (after I'm unblocked, of course), I've got to provide a reliable and accurate source for the information. I think that the information about the Scarborough amalgamation of 1998 should have a source, which it doesn't. I've found a news website that contains information about the amalgamation: . Do you think it is appropriate as a citation/reference for the Scarborough amalgamation of 1998? I agree with the information of the fact that the neighborhood of Steeles being on the watershed of West Highland Creek, since on Google Maps, you can see that L'Amoreaux Pond is linked in the south to West Highland Creek through a very narrow waterway (probably a stream). Also, the hydro-electric transmission line on McNicoll Avenue can be verified by Google Map's street view. For example, just take a look at Google Map's street view at Warden Avenue and McNicoll Avenue. You can see the electric lines above. However, I want to ask you a question. Can Google Maps be placed as a source for things in the article, such as the hydro-electric transmission line?
 * Now, let's talk about the crucial stuff. There are a few places where it says "citation needed". I do agree that a citation is needed for "a Huron-Wendat village of approximately 1,000 inhabitants that thrived circa 1400 CE." and The L'Amoreaux woodlot is the only area that retains a significant amount of original vegetation.", since I've been to L'Amoreaux Park and I haven't seen " original vegetation ". Even if I have seen it, it still needs verifiable and accurate citation since Wikipedia's rules are to add reliable and sourced information, not random information. Can this be a reliable source for the "Chinatown of Scarborough": ? I actually live in the neighborhood of Steeles, and I speak Chinese, and lots of people do in the neighborhood. Note: I do not have a conflict of interest (COI). Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  13:55, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! I actually found an even better citation for the Scarborough Chinatown, from the Toronto Star. However, it said that I needed to subscribe in order to see the website, so I didn't include it. If you want it, I can give you the link: . Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  13:58, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

August 2020
So I was going to sleep on it, but I see you've also posted to my talk. I'm blocking for now. Will discuss tomorrow.
 * Please explain why you've broken faith with what you promised to do.
 * Please list the pages you agreed you would limit yourself to posting on.
 * Please list the users you're authorized to ping. —valereee (talk) 23:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * P.S. I give you the right and honour to decide which users can be pinged by me. However, please be more direct with me, since your advice may not always be completely understanded by me. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  00:10, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Finally, I would like to say that I am very thankful and grateful for the fact that you only temporarily blocked me for 31 hours. This seems more optimistic than Salvio's indefinite block, so I think that you know how to help me become a great Wikipedia contributor more than Salvio does. Thank you for all of your help, including your block. F r i e n d  5 0 5  00:13, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * However, I would just like to make one simple, humble request. I would like to be able to ping for the duration of the period while he is making me my two userboxes. I need to be able to ping him so that I can give him feedback on the two userboxes and tell him to fix them if I want them to be slightly tweaked. Thank you.  F r i e n d  5 0 5  00:31, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That you, under the circumstances, are still thinking about your userboxes does display a certain amount of tone deafness, I must say. Salvio 11:13, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, OK, thanks, Salvio. I'm going to stop putting the major focus on my userboxes that haven't been made yet. I'm still waiting for Valereee's reply. I hope that you have noticed the promises I just made above and that I didn't exactly follow the guidelines given by you and Valereee since I didn't know that just a simple talkback template was in violation of the guidelines. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:19, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! Could you please take a look at the above posts? I have described why I didn't follow your strict restrictions. Let me just summarize the reason: I didn't know that adding a talkback template was in violation of your restrictions. Before you lift the restrictions, I promise I will not do so again. However, I would be happy if you could lift the restrictions earlier, since I don't like being restricted. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  12:52, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Plus, if you don't unblock me, I can't fix the accidental disambiguation link that I added in the article Steeles, Toronto. I didn't know that if I directly linked to Kennedy Road, it would be a disambiguation. I thought it was a page separate from List of east-west roads in Toronto. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  12:54, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

I've unblocked you, but honestly we're at final straw here. When you ping me to a talk page, I get a notification. Every time. When you post to my talk page, I also get a notification every time. The means that yesterday, I got sixteen notifications for pings and four for messages on my talk page from you. This is one of the reasons I'm asking you not to post to any talk page but your own and the article talk: one of the things you need to learn about is how to use talk pages appropriately. No, you may not ping WaddlesJP13 again. You just pinged them above when you used. You've already left multiple messages on their talk page. It is not their job to respond to you on your timeframe or at all; they're a volunteer just like I am and you are. They may be busy or just don't feel like it right now. You can leave another message on their talk page only after they reply to you there.

Now, do you feel you understand the rules here? Here they are again: —valereee (talk) 13:06, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) You may post in your own user space
 * 2) You may edit Steeles, Toronto and post at Talk:Steeles, Toronto
 * 3) You may post at Teahouse
 * 4) You may ping here or at Talk:Steeles, Toronto any editor who has offered help or advice here
 * 5) That is all
 * What about the disambiguation link? I need to fix it since it shouldn't be there. It should link to the Kennedy Road section in the article List of east-west roads in Toronto. If you do not give me permission to do so, you will have to do it yourself. Also, I promise I will not ping WaddlesJP13 until he finishes my userboxes. P.S. What about my citations on the Steeles, Toronto article? You said that if I do a good job there, you could start letting me edit other articles, and after a while, you could lift your restrictions (at least this is how I understand what you stated). Please review my citations in that article. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  13:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Question
Hi, Valereee! I've got a question. I know how to create userboxes, and creating userboxes would be a fun addition to my normal Wikipedia editing career. I've already created two with images and one without an image. (They're all on display on my user page.) I know I might not be great at organizing userboxes on user pages (in fact, I could use a little help doing that, if you know how to do that), but I'm great at creating userboxes. Do you think I can list myself on WP:UBX? I will remain active in editing, improving, and creating Wikipedia articles. I just think and feel that it'll be fun to help others in creating userboxes, since userboxes are fun. Note: Please do not block me for this permission request. I have not violated rules right now, since you have allowed me to request doing things that I am not preapproved to do. Thank you. F r i e n d 5 0 5  17:56, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * P.S. Sorry for potentially annoying you. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  17:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , if you want to list yourself there, that's fine. You can ask at Teahouse for pointers on how to organize your userpage; other than making sure mine is easily navigated it's not something I think too much about. —valereee (talk) 18:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for giving me the permission to list myself there. Thanks again! F r i e n d  5 0 5  18:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , you also may post to the user talk pages of people who make userbox requests of you. —valereee (talk) 21:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks, Valereee! I guess Catfurball really loves userboxes. They've made a lot of userbox requests. Anyways, I'm happy to help users who want userboxes. P.S. I've got a question, Valereee. May I post on your talk page if necessary? Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  01:34, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why it would be necessary when we're talking multiple times a day here. —valereee (talk) 01:52, 19 August 2020 (UTC)d
 * Yeah, I guess it won't be necessary, since you come here to give me advice multiple times a day, and I reply to you here multiple times a day. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  10:55, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

How pings work and when to use them
While you continue to work on Steeles, Toronto, let's go over Talk page etiquette and how to use pings. Please read Talk page guidelines and Help:Notifications. You may ping me ONCE here when you have finished them. If you have further thoughts to add before I get here, you don't need to reping. A single ping is sufficient, and additional pings can be very annoying for most editors. It's a bit like holding your finger on a doorbell until someone answers. —valereee (talk) 13:21, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK, good idea. Also, I didn't realize that the disambiguation link was on the article that I am allowed to edit, so I can change that back. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  13:23, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Have you done this reading? If not, plan to do that today. You aren't going to be posting to anyone else's talk pages or pinging anyone except the editors who have offered help/advice here until we cover this. —valereee (talk) 11:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks, Valereee. F r i e n d  5 0 5  13:01, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Have you done this reading? You need to read it, and we need to discuss so I know you understand, before we can lift the limits on you posting on other people's talk pages. —valereee (talk) 11:20, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll read it, but can you take a look at the bottom section, titled "Help"? I really need this help urgently. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:22, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've already finished reading the Help:Notifications one. I read that probably a few days ago. I do understand that pings will work by themselves. I'm reading the Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:28, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * re: your message below, great. Now that you've read both pages, tell me why this edit was 1. a bad idea and 2. actually cruel? —valereee (talk) 11:56, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think this part was the bad part: "The reason for why you were blocked from editing even your own talk page was revoked also seems clear to me: You started writing content on your talk page that was inappropriate. By 'inappropriate', I do not mean something offensive; rather, I just mean that you should not have stated that these other admins 'obviously have nothing better to do but to try and flex your muscles via Wikipedia'. That is inappropriate."

Also, I shouldn't have removed Justright's comment. I guess maybe I was also not doing appropriate stuff at that time. Thanks! F r i e n d 5 0 5  12:05, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's also cruel because you were saying that to someone who couldn't talk back. I'd removed their talk page access.
 * Okay, next question: when is it appropriate for you to insert a comment into a user talk page discussion between two other editors? —valereee (talk) 12:09, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Um, I guess it's only when an uninvolved user comment is needed. (Note: Sorry for the long delay; I was off Wikipedia after I saw your question.) F r i e n d  5 0 5  14:08, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Valereee. I've got a question. May I ping Catfurball here? I know I haven't finished the questions, but since I've already read the guidelines, I know what I should do when I talk with Catfurball. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  14:09, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , no worries about timing, there are no deadlines. You shouldn't insert yourself into a conversation between other editors unless you believe you have something to add that would be helpful, like if you thought there might be something they aren't aware of. In general, if the editors are much more experienced than you are, it's unlikely you understand something they don't. Do you have Preferences>Gadgets>Navigation popups enabled? If not, go enable that. —valereee (talk) 14:16, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You've already pinged Catfurball to your page once. Why would you need to ping them again? Generally we don't ping someone twice to the same page until/unless they answer the first ping, have left, and now there's something new we need to call their attention to. This is one of the things I'm trying to help you with in this discussion. —valereee (talk) 14:34, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Have you enabled that gadget? —valereee (talk) 14:35, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've enabled the gadget. Well, let me explain. Although Catfurball didn't reply to me directly, they did thank me for creating two of the five userboxes. So, that kind of means replying to me. I just want to tell Catfurball that I can take over making all the other userboxes that Catfurball has requested for, since right after I see the userbox requests, I can make the userboxes very quickly. I just want to notify Catfurball of this. The only thing is this: it seems like Catfurball never actually replies to talk page posts. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  18:25, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I see you and catfurball have worked it out between you. Consider pings to catfurball and posts on catfurball's talk page okay until they ask you to stop.
 * Re: the gadget, great! Hover over my username in my signature here and tell me what you can learn about me. —valereee (talk) 18:36, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * re: I've already done that hovering many times. When I just simply hover my mouse on any link when I don't even know that I've hovered there, it's going to show that great popup. I guess it's great. P.S. Please take a look at the section at the very bottom of this page. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:46, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , and what did you learn about me when you hovered over my username? —valereee (talk) 22:52, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * re: I've already done that hovering many times. When I just simply hover my mouse on any link when I don't even know that I've hovered there, it's going to show that great popup. I guess it's great. P.S. Please take a look at the section at the very bottom of this page. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:46, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , and what did you learn about me when you hovered over my username? —valereee (talk) 22:52, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

That you registered your accout on 2006-03-17 and that you have made 30538 edits. Finally, I saw that you are a sysop/admin, although I already knew that. P.S. Please take a look at my reply on the bottom section. I've got another question there. Thanks! F r i e n d 5 0 5  23:01, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , so what does it tell you about me that I've been editing since 2006 and have made 30K+ edits? —valereee (talk) 23:07, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Userbox request
This user likes Brush-footed butterflies. Please use

This user likes Gossamer-winged butterflies. Please use

This user likes Metalmark butterflies. Please use

This user likes Pieridae. Please use the photograph in the infobox.

This user likes Swallowtails. Please use Catfurball (talk) 19:45, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Here you go, Catfurball. It sure looks like you love userboxes. Anyways, who doesn't? Userboxes are great.

User:Friend505/Userbox/Brush-footed butterflies

User:Friend505/Userbox/Gossamer-winged butterflies

User:Friend505/Userbox/Metalmark butterflies

User:Friend505/Userbox/Pieridae

User:Friend505/Userbox/Swallowtails

F r i e n d 5 0 5  01:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Catfurball, by the way, you can add categories for the userboxes. Just please notify me when you do so. Also, thanks for adding a category for my three userboxes about Buddhism. F r i e n d  5 0 5  01:32, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Categories have been added. Catfurball (talk) 16:17, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Catfurball. You can let me take over all of your other pending userbox requests if you would like, since my userbox service is speedy. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  18:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * That would be very nice please.Catfurball (talk) 18:33, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, Catfurball. I'll just take a look at all uncompleted userbox requests that you made on the talk pages of the other editors who have listed themselves in the user list. Then, I'll make you all of the userboxes. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  19:21, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Catfurball! Here are the userboxes:

Userboxes requested to WaddlesJP13
P.S. Note that some of the edit summaries have that user link mentioning you. Sorry for potentially annoying you by sending you too many notifications; I just used copy and paste for some of the userbox creation edit summaries, so I couldn't change that until I thought that it might annoy you. F r i e n d 5 0 5  22:29, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Potential sockpuppetry?
Hi, Valereee! I've found a potential IP sockpuppet of Xayahrainie43. I was once accused of being a sockpuppet of that user, but the checkuser deemed me to be innocent. However, today, I've found out that an IP user with the IP address of 2001:b011:a004:1789:cc44:6ad:9e31:6c9e went to the article Letter frequency and reverted an edit. This edit had been made by me. Let me explain it. On 6 August 2020, a user with the username of 俏綾 started editing the article Letter frequency. After the user was deemed by a checkuser to be a sockpuppet of Xayahrainie43, the user was blocked, and another user came along and reverted all of 俏綾's edits on the article. However, another IP user with the IP address of 111.253.196.134 came along and reverted the other user's edits, returning the article to the article as edited by 俏綾. I found that out and reverted 111.253.196.134's edit. (I actually filed an SPI for the IP user, since the other three edits that the IP made were the kind of Xayahrainie43 sockpuppet typical style of editing with the general sandbox, but the IP quickly ended their edits. The SPI people closed the sockpuppet investigation.) Then, 2001:b011:a004:1789:cc44:6ad:9e31:6c9e came along and reverted my revert of 111.253.196.134's edit. I then reverted 2001:b011:a004:1789:cc44:6ad:9e31:6c9e's edit again, with an edit summary stating that I did not want to cause an edit war. I guess I'm not, since I've only done two reverts, and the two reverts aren't to the same user. All of the IPs that I have mentioned geolocate to Taiwan, and they may actually be at the same location but they might use VPNs. I didn't directly file this as an SPI, since I don't want to directly do advanced stuff, but I'm just giving you a suggestion. Otherwise, 2001:b011:a004:1789:cc44:6ad:9e31:6c9e may be a sockpuppet of 111.253.196.134. I'm not an expert at this stuff, however. The reason I'm stating that 2001:b011:a004:1789:cc44:6ad:9e31:6c9e may be a sockpuppet of Xayahrainie43 is because this IP has also done the type of Xayahrainie43 sockpuppet big mathematical table stuff. P.S. Please don't block me for this, since I haven't violated your guidelines, and P.P.S. can I ping Catfurball on my talk page? Thanks! F r i e n d 5 0 5  14:28, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Noted. —valereee (talk) 14:34, 19 August 2020 (UTC) catfurball question answered above, where we're discussing pings and user talk pages. —valereee (talk) 14:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

ClueBot archiving
Hello, Friend505,

You need to fix your ClueBot settings because it sent your talk page archives to a nonexistent user's page and it was nearly deleted. Maybe remove the setting from your talk page and archive your page manually until you can straighten it out. Liz Read! Talk! 17:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Liz. I've fixed it, and also, thanks for moving the problematic ClueBot archive to a subpage here in my talk page so that it wouldn't cause mischief. After you did this stuff, my talk page archiving is finally going to work the way I wanted it to work. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  18:16, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Can I add my userboxes to WP:Userboxes/Religion/Eastern?
Hi, Valereee! Did you remember the three userboxes about Buddhism that I made? Do you think I can add the three userboxes in WP:Userboxes/Religion/Eastern? Thanks! F r i e n d 5 0 5  18:27, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can add userboxes you've been requested to make to such lists. This is an exception to the restriction against editing in Wikipedia space. —valereee (talk) 18:40, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks, Valereee! However, those three userboxes were not requested by someone else; I made them for myself. Can I still put them in there? Catfurball has already put the userboxes that they requested in the list. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  19:19, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it's best if you don't add your own non-requested creations for now. If someone else uses a userbox you created, you can add it. —valereee (talk) 19:33, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, good idea. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:06, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Need to notify ApChrKey and WaddlesJP13
Hi, Valereee! I've already completed Catfurball's userbox requests that were still pending on ApChrKey and WaddlesJP13's talk pages, under the authorization of Catfurball. Now that I've finished them and notified Catfurball of this, I need to notify ApChrKey and WaddlesJP13 not to do the userbox requests. Can you grant me the permission to notify both of them on their own user talk pages? I already understand what I can do on talk pages (including user talk pages) and what I cannot do. Thank you. F r i e n d 5 0 5  22:40, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to let you show how you can use judgment. I'll strongly advise you to err on the side of caution, kindness, etiquette, and just generally not being annoying. —valereee (talk) 22:52, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you mean that you're going to allow me to notify both of them on their own talk pages? Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:55, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , yes I'm allowing it, and also that I'm going to be looking at how you do it. You can do it in a way that is annoying and offensive, or you can do it in a way that is collegial and helpful. Up to you. Use your judgement and let's see if you are ready to use other people's talk pages. —valereee (talk) 23:03, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks, Valereee, but I'm not going to be annoying, since I don't want to be blocked again. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  23:03, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, not bad! —valereee (talk) 23:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm juggling the task of replying to lots of posts you make since they're split out. It's okay, splitting it out isn't a bad thing since this way we can keep our separate discussions separate. F r i e n d  5 0 5  23:19, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Help
Hi, Valereee! I've got a problem, and I need you to help me delete my August archive page, since you're an administrator. You can see it in the archive box there. I made a few edits that were supposed to make my talk page look better, but in the end, I've got a problem now. Can you please help me delete the August archive page? I can fix everything else after that. Thanks! F r i e n d 5 0 5  11:14, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you've done with all that playing around, or what you're asking me to do -- delete your archives? You don't want your archives any more? You've inserted a weird redirect. And no, this isn't an urgent need. I'm getting fed up with your obsessive desire to play around with things that have NOTHING to do with building an encyclopedia. Go read the frickin' stuff I told you to read and don't ping me again until you've thoroughly read it and feel you can knowledgeably discuss when it's appropriate to post to other people's talk pages and when it's appropriate to ping them somewhere. —valereee (talk) 11:33, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've read both two pages thoroughly. But please let me explain why I want that:

P.S. You may discuss stuff about the two pages with me to verify that I have read it thoroughly. Thank you. F r i e n d 5 0 5  11:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) I accidentally inserted that redirect; only deleting the page will remove it.
 * 2) ClueBot III archivals might break without deleting the archive page.
 * 3) I am not simply playing around; although I am sorry for marking it as an urgent need.
 * 4) I recognize the fact that I do not need to make my talk page look better.
 * 5) Please do not block me for this. I have not done something that flies in the face of your guidelines.

Take it to Teahouse. I'm not helping you fix this. —valereee (talk) 11:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. Thanks, Valereee. F r i e n d  5 0 5  12:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Valereee! I'm sorry for potentially annoying you, but could you please help me delete User talk:Friend505/2020/08 (August)? It's already empty since I've moved its contents to my present Archive 1. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  23:35, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , read Criteria for speedy deletion. You can tag this yourself, and then you'll know how to do this in future —valereee (talk) 23:41, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Great idea, Valereee. This way, I'll also learn how to do this so that when I ever find an article that should be deleted, I can tag it too and then users can start discussing whether or not it should be deleted. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:05, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

User impersonation?
Hi, Valereee! I just noticed potential user impersonation on User talk:Blablubbs. Blablubbs is a user whom I know from my pre-registration Wikipedia history. I just went to check what was going on on their talk page, and I noticed that User:Iranian Stud (I didn't use the user link template since that's basically like ping) tried to impersonate Blablubbs. Take a look at the section User talk:Blablubbs. Then, look at the revision history. Here's one of the three diffs made by Iranian Stud there:. Iranian Stud has already been warned thrice on their talk page. Thank you. F r i e n d 5 0 5  23:17, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * How many edits does Blablubbs have over how many years? —valereee (talk) 23:21, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Blablubbs registered on 2014-10-21 and has 7378 edits. (I found that out using the navigation popup gadget thingy.) F r i e n d  5 0 5  23:23, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So what does that tell you about Blablubbs? —valereee (talk) 23:25, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, that doesn't exactly tell me much about Blablubbs, but take a look at this link. This is the content of the talk page of me when I hadn't registered an account yet. The page shows stuff that Blablubbs posted. F r i e n d  5 0 5  23:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * What's the link supposed to be proving? —valereee (talk) 23:35, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you strive to know stuff about Blablubbs when the post is clear user impersonation, but I'll answer your question. I'm trying to show that Blablubbs is a good user, and Blablubbs actually is a good user. I just don't know why Blablubbs hasn't noticed that impersonation thing. Note: I am not affiliated with Blablubbs in any way. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  01:03, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Then, take a look at the following:

Please stop undoing my changes
Dear Blablubbs, Could you please undo your own change? I wanted everyone to respect the Chinese philosopher Zhuang Zhou (also known as Zhuangzi). I did not mean to vandal. I am not a vandal. That part of the article was not respectful to Zhuangzi. Thanks, [removed because I do not want my IP address to be revealed] What I mean is will you go to the admins and tell them to block me if I revert your change with an edit summary? I will change other things around it to make it more gramatically and temporally correct.
 * Hi. If you have a good substantive reason to remove the content, you can of course go ahead and do so. If your sole reason for removing the content is that it conflicts with your personal point of view, someone will likely undo the change and you might get reported for disruptive editing - whether by me or someone else is irrelevant. Thanks. Blablubbs (talk) 13:22, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

(Note to other readers: More context for this discussion can be found [removed because I do not want my IP address to be revealed]). Blablubbs (talk) 13:22, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe personally that Zhuangzi should be respected, and that he did exist. Please tell me your opinion and what you believe everyone's opinion is. [removed because I do not want my IP address to be revealed]
 * I don't have an opinion on the matter, I just reverted your edit because you removed content without justification. Note that Wikipedia doesn't determine what it writes by asking individual editors what they believe about something; Instead, we try to summarise what experts have said about something (see our core content policies). If there are experts that have said that Zhuangzi might not have existed, then the Wikipedia article about him should say that - if other experts have said that he might have existed, it should say that too; no matter what individual editors personally believe. (PS: I have taken the liberty to move your reply into the ongoing discussion. Please don't open a new talk page section for every message you send; indents should be used instead.) Thanks. Blablubbs (talk) 14:10, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I took this content from one of Blablubbs' talk page archives. The original content which I have replaced with "[removed because I do not want my IP address to be revealed]" would reveal my IP address, which I do not want to occur. At that time, I didn't know a lot of stuff about Wikipedia, actually. That is why this discussion occurred. I didn't know about indents, and I didn't know that Wikipedia is neutral, or at least is supposed to be. I also didn't know that I should sign my comments/posts on talk pages at the time. Now I know all of that stuff. P.S. Note that I am also not trying to support Blablubbs personally in any way. I just think that judgements made on Wikipedia should be just, and I am providing all of the evidence known to me. Thank you. F r i e n d 5 0 5  01:13, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi and . I'm aware of those talk page messages. I don't think this is a case of impersonation – but of a user forgetting to sign their message and having trouble figuring out how to ping me. I had reverted IP edits on Pan-Iranist Party some time before that message by ; my assumption is that the IP was a logged out Iranian Stud who later logged in and wanted to notify me that the reverted edits had been made by mistake. Thanks for your concern, Friend505 – feel free to message me directly if you have similar suspicions again. I'm happy to see that you have become a regular contributor since our last interaction! Best, — Blablubbs (talk • contribs) 09:04, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

it's like a nail right through my skull
Friend505, I'm trying to AGF here, but you're making it more and more difficult to believe anyone can be this problematic without being an actual troll. The above is exactly what I've been trying to tell you not to do, and trying to get you to understand. '''Blablubbs has been here longer and made more edits that you have. Your input is highly unlikely to be helpful.''' My point, if you ever choose to take any of this on board, is that you should mind your own business, do some useful editing -- btw you've made TWO actual mainspace edits out of your last 50 edits -- and stop poking your nose in where it's only going to annoy other people. I gave you a handy tool so you can always see how much more experienced someone is than you are, but I can't give you the judgement to know that means you might want to keep your mouth shut. You have to develop that on your own. I think you have the capacity to actually become a useful editor -- you proved that with your edits at Steeles -- but I'm not sure the rest of what you bring with you is worth it. Edit wherever you like. But you're on the thinnest ice possible. The next complaint I see here from any well-intentioned experienced editor, I'll be blocking you for a week. —valereee (talk) 10:57, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, sorry, I promise I will start contributing in the mainspace if you don't block me. Thanks! F r i e n d  5 0 5  11:01, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Inapplicable prod nomination
Your nomination of User talk:Friend505/2020/08 (August) has been reverted. Template:Proposed deletion is for articles and files, and is not applicable in user talk namespace. If you look back at the advice you were given by your mentor, you were told to look at WP:CSD, so I suggest that you read it more carefully. David Biddulph (talk) 12:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've deleted the page per WP:U1 but Friend it's literally right there at Criteria for speedy deletion. Please take your time to read policies and guidelines correctly. Glen (talk) 12:26, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * observers are wondering how long it will take for this editor's indefinite block to be reinstated. Having been blocked originally for CIR-related concerns, their recidivism can only mean that either they are doing it deliberately or that they lack the competence to be part of the community. The sheer amount of editorial resources that are being consumed and wasted every day with Friend505 is phenomenal; how many articles could you all have written in the meantime? WP:RETENTION is important, but is not the fabled suicide pact. Outside opinion suggested. 2A02:C7F:BE17:2D00:C966:AA7F:2338:A475 (talk) 12:35, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not a troll. I was just trying to help. Thank you. F r i e n d  5 0 5  17:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)