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Proposed deletion of Julian Trevelyan (pianist)


The article Julian Trevelyan (pianist) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * He is not "the most successful British competitive concert pianist", he's a 17-year-old boy. He may well do great things one day, but a couple of prizes don't confer automatic notability.

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Friendlyyours137 (talk) 09:29, 30 August 2016 (UTC) The concerns noted above have been dealt with and the page has been resurrected. Links have been made to other pages and more references cited.

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Immigrate to, emigrate from
Hi, I'd like to correct your understanding of the words "immigrate" and "emigrate". One immigrates to a country, or emigrates from a country, but never the opposite usage. So the correct word to use depends entirely on which country follows the verb. The prefix "e" means away from or out of; the prefix "in" means into or to. The preceding is true both in American English and in British English. Cheers and happy editing, Softlavender (talk) 03:28, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, Softlavender. Please don't correct my understanding of English words.  The problem is that people copy (cut and paste) without thinking.  So, you are quoting (correctly) from many web articles.
 * However, for example
 * 1 - "immigrate to the USA" sounds wrong, so that should be a warning to you that it is wrong.
 * 2 - immigrate as you so kindly state (only partly correctly) means "migrate into" so to say "migrate into to the USA" would be plain dumb.
 * 3 - "migrate" is disparaged in web definitions as being only a temporary move whereas immigrate or emigrate is permanent. This again ignores that the Latin origin is the same word, migrare, in both cases, and which has no quality of timeliness.
 * So, you can pat yourself on the back for following the crowd, but you are technically wrong.
 * In the end, language is defined by its usage, so if everybody on wikipedia wants to immigrate to the USA, then so be it. It is the kind of dumbing down that permits academics who still use paper and pencil to disparage wikipedia and discourage their students from using it, or even from referring to it.
 * If nothing else, I suppose it gives an easy answer to the question "What is the difference between poetry and prose ?" Friendlyyours137 (talk) 21:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

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Trevelyan
I noticed the deletion proposal for the pianist, had a quick look and think he is clearly notable. However, the article is way too detailed, misses references, and the style is not always factual. Please improve further, - avoiding to call the artist by just first name is a good step forward. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

I looked closer, and have a few suggestions:
 * We need better references.
 * For his playing, we need works more precisely, and with better sources than his own website. Links to pieces, not composers, please.
 * References need to be at the end of a sentence.
 * We need less description of how important competitions are. Some people know, and find that boring, and for others there are links. Competitions without an article don't need to be mentioned at all, if you ask me.
 * We don't need translations of competition names for those with an article.
 * For recordings, again please link pieces. Mozart No. 24 is a featured article! - Are there reviews? That would be more convincing than competitions, believe me.

Good luck! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:05, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your helpful comments, Gerda - I am improving it all the time, but still learning. Friendlyyours137 (talk) 23:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Julian Trevelyan (pianist) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Julian Trevelyan (pianist) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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 * Thanks, CurryTime7-24.
 * I don't understand why this article is so hot for deletion, when https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yunchan_Lim has no such problems, and yet he much less notable. Friendlyyours137 (talk) 23:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * What you are saying is a bit like comparing apples to orangutans.
 * Yuncham Lim was the youngest-ever winner of the Van Cliburn Competition, which led to significant and sustained coverage on him from major media organizations (including the New York Times), and a record contract with Deutsche Grammophon. A number of reputable sources are cited in his article attesting to his notability, which is beyond question. Trevelyan's accomplishments and coverage are, comparatively, rather smaller-scaled; my own search seemed to turn up nothing more than a handful of very brief articles and notices from local weeklies and such.
 * Lim's article is cited entirely from quality sources such as NPR, the Associated Press, Business Today, the Korea Times, and the New York Times. Trevelyan's article, on the other hand, cites from his personal website five times, nearly 1/3 of the article, which is contrary to the guidelines in WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:BLPSELFPUB. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:16, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, again.
 * Yuncham Lim was the youngest-ever winner of the Van Cliburn Competition
 * Julian Trevelyan was the youngest-ever winner of the Long-Thibaud-Crespin Competition
 * But I take your point, that mass media is the measure of the moment, and if one doesn't invest in a PR manager, then one is a nobody. As Norm MacDonald pointed out, nobody remembers the last man to walk on the moon, but everyone knows a lady with a fat a**e.
 * What I don't understand is, not the rules and regulations of Wikipedia, but the desperate desire to delete a page, which may have its problems, but at least tries to do a good job.
 * Compare Julian's page to that of his namesake, Julián Irizar. There's not a reference in sight.
 * Why is that page kept alive when another Julian's is killed off ? Friendlyyours137 (talk) 07:08, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no idea since I'm not familiar with that page. There are countless pages which are probably outright junk that ought to be deleted, but because they exist does not necessarily mean that similar articles should too.
 * At the very least, the sources in this article need to be improved. That it relies (relied?; I haven't kept up with any subsequent edits) so much on Trevelyan's personal website is unacceptable according to WP:BLP. I haven't checked newspaper archives, but surely there has to be more coverage of him than just his website.
 * For what it's worth, my decision to put this article up for an AfD had nothing to do with my estimation of Trevelyan's worth as a musician. On the whole, although I've never heard him play, I'd probably enjoy his playing more than Lim's. (Post-Horowitzian/Argerichian showboating and emoting piano bench gyrations are not for me.) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:49, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

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