User talk:Frinnisceartas

List Criteria
Hello! We seem to be going back and forth on Burntwood, let's see if we can resolve it. The policies for list items are at WP:SOURCELIST and WP:LISTBIO. From the latter, the example is given that "For instance, articles about schools often include (or link to) a list of notable alumni/alumnae, but such lists are not intended to contain everyone who attended the school — only those with verifiable notability." So, are there reliable sources that attest to the notability of the three individuals in question? For Mitchel Emms, I have found a band he was associated with that has a WP page, with a reference showing he is from Burntwood, so I've updated that one. I can't find anything showing the other two meet notability guidelines, and have removed them again. Wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate information, nor is it a directory, so I've removed them pending demonstration that they meet notability. Thanks, and happy editing! PohranicniStraze (talk) 15:04, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Responding to you here regarding Burntwood (I saw your edit summary stating that you are having trouble messaging - you can either edit this page in response, or my talk page, either way) - the issue with the two other people is that they do not appear to be notable according to WP guidelines. Our standards for notability hinge on coverage in reliable sources. Simply being a "lord of the manor" does not make individuals notable; there are people from royal families who don't meet notability guidelines, and manorial titles aren't even part of the peerage. To establish notability, you would need to show that Mr. Evetts is covered in-depth in reliable, independent third-party sources; so far as I can tell, he is not - the armorial register would not be enough to pass muster. For Dave Goddard, if he's a sports commentator, he would probably need to meet WP:NJOURNALIST or WP:ENTERTAINER, which it doesn't look like he does. One thing that may be helpful for seeing how notability works is to browse some of the deletion discussions at WP:Articles for deletion; you will see a lot of the relevant policies discussed there. Anyway, welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for engaging constructively. I know some of the policies can be confusing but you'll find your way around. Happy editing! PohranicniStraze (talk) 20:31, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Notable people
Please note that for a person to be considered notable for inclusion on a town or city article, per WP:CITSTRUCT they must first have a Wikipedia article. If they don't have their own article, then they cannot be included on a town's article. Canterbury Tail talk 16:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

April 2020
Hello. Your recent edit to Burntwood appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person, organization or product added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. PohranicniStraze (talk) 22:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editing - final warning
You keep adding non-notable people to Burntwood article and these edits are disruptive. These people are not notable. WP:CITSTRUCT clearly states that if they do not have an article then then cannot be included. Additionally since your edits are solely about adding these people it is clear you have come kind of a conflict of interest with them. This is your final warning. If you continue to add these non-notable people, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Canterbury Tail talk 20:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Rubbish. You have no idea who is and is not notable in the Burntwood/Lichfield area. You are allowing Wiki to be a source of disinformation and clearly it is you who have a conflict of some description in providing accurate and relevant information.


 * No we just have policies and guidelines on article content and notability. One of those is that people can only be added to town and city articles if they have an article on Wikipedia. If they have an article that shows a connection then they can be added. If you can create an article for those people, and they meet the general notability guidelines then they can be added to the town article. Until they have an article they cannot be added to the town. So I suggest if you believe them to be notable, that you work on creating articles for these people. Then we can see about adding them to the town. That would be a better use of your, clearly interested, efforts than edit warring against the guidelines. I suggest you read the Wikipedia guide to creating your first article as a starting point to creating the articles that would subsequently allow these people to be added to the town page. Canterbury Tail talk 22:27, 25 April 2020 (UTC)