User talk:Frits van Houten

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Alizée
Please refrain from putting content on the Alizée article, which is written from the POV of a fan, and please do not use the article for vendetta against other fans and/or anyone else. Also, what fans do or feel or believe should not be posted because this is an article regarding Alizée and not her fans.

As of speculation regarding her third album, it need not be mentioned that it is being speculated by fans and mags, as the two are inter-related. And claiming that no one else is speculating (as is implied when you say that some fans and pop magazines are speculating)would be too large a claim if you put in without any proof. So just saying speculated is safer than pinning the speculation down to a specific group of people.

There is also no need to specify what rumors turned out to be false. Because they were baseless and proven to be untrue makes them candidates unsuitable for encyclopaedic mention.

Please feel free to contact me on my user page if you feel there is need of anything which needs to be clarified.

--Soumyasch 18:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Update on Alizée article
Your edit contained a lot of opinions, without any references, which made the section seem like not conforming to Wikipedia's neutral Point of View ideal. I tried to remove all opinions while retaining ALL the facts that you provided. I gave a detailed rationale on what I was doing in the talk page of the Alizée article. Please comment there if you feel any change was unjustified. The Alizée article is also undergoing a peer review. If you feel any change, regarding inclusion of contradicting info, non-suitability of info present in the section, etc, is necssary, PLEASE bring up the issue on the talk page to judge the merits of both sides of the arguments and updating the article accordingly. Beacuse all of us are working to make the article of an exemplary quality and its only through our combined effort that we can make it happen. --Soumyasch 18:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * There are several policies that dictate what kind of content is acceptable for inclusion in a Wikipedia article, including citing verifiable, authoritative sources whenever possible. If these guidelines are followed, we should be able to resolve this dispute. Please contribute to the discussion on Talk:Alizée as this will help us resolve this dispute. Cheers,  jaco plane  20:54, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Alizée article
Hi. I saw that you removed two reference to Alizee fanpage. But they were put in as citations for some facts. In the few days you were away, the article had got slapped with an NPOV tag (please see this earlier version). The tag was removed and it was required, as per peer review, that five citations be put into the article:


 * 1) but there is speculation by fans and gossip magazines that she is set to make a comeback in the near future. [citation needed]
 * 2) However, another gossip magazine recently published an article claiming her to have supposedly cancelled all her contracts to spend all of her time on raising her daughter. [citation needed]
 * 3) Alizée said that if her second album doesn't achieve sales comparable to that of the first, she won't do a third album, [citation needed]
 * 4) Alizée supposedly had said that she was working on a new album, which would then be in a style of rock music. [citation needed]
 * 5) Numerous other rumours regarding her possible third album have surfaced in the last one year, only to turn out to be false. [citation needed]

I provided a few citations (because none else did), from alizee-fanpage but not as promotion of the fan-site. I will clarify why. For 1st citation, I felt that rather than individually listing to all mags, a list of all rumors would probably be better. For 2nd and 3rd, I was waiting for you. For fourth, I didn't know of a better citation. And fifth, I felt, was unworthy of a citation, because the rumors were untrue.

This was the rationale for putting reference to the fan site (and also because I personally do not know which mag, which edition the rumors were published, so couldn't refer to them). Now that you have taken out the citations, could you please help provide citations? Or at least say what you now think of the previous citations?

And thanks for trying to get the citation from Mr. Hendriks. I will also be trying to get in touch with him.

Contact me if you need to. Have a nice day.

--Soumyasch 04:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

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Hi. I toned down your edits and reworded the section, still addressing your concerns. Have a look at it. -- so U  m  y  a  S  ch  17:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

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